Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

[Buckrageous]

If we were going by athletism and forgetting production Glenn Robinson and Markel Brown should be top 5, no?

We aren't drafting Embiid on "athleticism". You're drafting him on skill, per minute production, and projection.

You have Parker ahead of Wiggins I assume.

[Buckrageous]

His offensive game is far more diversified at this point, and it's not worth arguing. Also a much better rebounder. That's Jabari Parker's greatest strength. If you're going to knock him for his "intangibles" because he made a first round exit, then go ahead and do that, but I can also show you a substantial list of NBA players who made first round exits as college freshman.

If you're going to hold a poor shooting performance against Parker and make it the end all be all, how can you also discount Wiggins not even showing up for his team in the second?

I guess my argument for Wiggins is that they were both equally productive as freshmen but Wiggins isn't completely developed yet. If you pick Wiggins, it's because of potential. If you pick Parker, it's because of current production and right now the production is pretty much the same. It really scares me Parker averaged less than 1 assist in conference play and was a pretty bad defender.

If you think Parker is "completely developed" you're flat out ignorant.

Parker is already 19. At this point he is what hes going to be. Wiggins is only 19 and has plenty of time to develop.

[LUKE23]

You have Parker ahead of Wiggins I assume.

Nope, and I've never argued that I'm ONLY drafting on per minute production. Unless you can find that quote somewhere. I don't really understand what you're getting at. My original point was attacking the "he's only an 11/8 center!!" claim. It's not that relevant when taken out of context. Especially when you compare it to past top 5 bigs.

[chonestown]

#2 – Milwaukee Bucks :
Like most teams at the top, Milwaukee will gauge what their pick is worth, but sitting at number two isn’t a bad situation for Milwaukee. They had been planning for a top tier pick and with the second pick they still could end up with the player that was near the top of their board.
The Bucks have had eyes for Embiid for most of the season, but it seems pretty clear that his agents are trying to steer him away from Milwaukee. That’s not going to stop the Bucks from doing their due diligence on him in the event that Cleveland passes.
Word from the Draft Combine was that Jabari Parker and Dante Exum were the top two candidates for the Bucks and both may be there when the Bucks select at number two. There is a sense that new ownership in Milwaukee is going to have a lot of say in where this pick gets used and as much as the current management may want to go with Exum and set them up going forward, there may be a desire from ownership to pick a named guy that the fans can connect with.
Whether its Parker or Exum, the Bucks will come away with a solid player, which is what they were hoping for.

Read more at http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-a ... z1M8hcQ.99

Wow, that's a POS piece that manages to be both poorly written and sourced from another planet.

[Badgerlander]

#2 – Milwaukee Bucks :
Like most teams at the top, Milwaukee will gauge what their pick is worth, but sitting at number two isn’t a bad situation for Milwaukee. They had been planning for a top tier pick and with the second pick they still could end up with the player that was near the top of their board.
The Bucks have had eyes for Embiid for most of the season, but it seems pretty clear that his agents are trying to steer him away from Milwaukee. That’s not going to stop the Bucks from doing their due diligence on him in the event that Cleveland passes.
Word from the Draft Combine was that Jabari Parker and Dante Exum were the top two candidates for the Bucks and both may be there when the Bucks select at number two. There is a sense that new ownership in Milwaukee is going to have a lot of say in where this pick gets used and as much as the current management may want to go with Exum and set them up going forward, there may be a desire from ownership to pick a named guy that the fans can connect with.
Whether its Parker or Exum, the Bucks will come away with a solid player, which is what they were hoping for.

Read more at http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-a ... z1M8hcQ.99

Wow, that's a POS piece that manages to be both poorly written and sourced from another planet.

What? Kyler is a pretty respected guy around the league.

[Newz]

You have Parker ahead of Wiggins I assume.

Nope, and I've never argued that I'm ONLY drafting on per minute production. Unless you can find that quote somewhere. I don't really understand what you're getting at. My original point was attacking the "he's only an 11/8 center!!" claim. It's not that relevant when taken out of context. Especially when you compare it to past top 5 bigs.

I don't get why it's so hard for people to grasp the concept that you are drafting on what you project players to be. Sure things like college production and current skill level factor in. But you aren't drafting them for what they did last year or even what they'll do as a rookie. You are drafting them for what you think they can be five years from now.

That contains multiple things. I am not a huge Parker fan because I don't think he ever projects to be a decent NBA defender... I think he's going to be bad on that side of the court his whole career. Now, maybe I'm wrong, maybe I eat crow and he turns out to be just fine on D and is an elite offense player. But I wouldn't pick him because that's my opinion.

I am a fan of Embiid because he has flashed all around skill and the ability to be dominant on both end for stretches. He has the body, he has the athletic ability, he has the coordination and the skillset to develop into a dominant two way player. His question mark, IMO, is his health... and I really could care less about that.

[Badgerlander]

If we came away with Exum at #2 and Bogdan at #31 we'd have ball handling, passing, and length for days...

[braindazer]

Can someone tell me if The Greek Freek will be playing in the summer league with our other draft picks ?

[chonestown]

Wow, that's a POS piece that manages to be both poorly written and sourced from another planet.

What? Kyler is a pretty respected guy around the league.

For real? This reads like a Chris Broussard just-throwing-things-out-here special. I do cop to an ignorance regarding Kyler's track record, so there's my disclaimer as just another guy with a web connection and keyboard.

[Willie Colon]

What this posted yet?

Joel Embiid vs NBA caliber centers video analysis.

[crkone]

What this posted yet?

Joel Embiid vs NBA caliber centers video analysis.

About 5 times over the past 3 days but no one has really been discussing it. I'd encourage more people to post it until it is acknowledged. Good breakdown that shows that Embiid was pretty average against fringe NBA bigs.

[Badgerlander]

Wow, that's a POS piece that manages to be both poorly written and sourced from another planet.

What? Kyler is a pretty respected guy around the league.

For real? This reads like a Chris Broussard just-throwing-things-out-here special. I do cop to an ignorance regarding Kyler's track record, so there's my disclaimer as just another guy with a web connection and keyboard.

Kyler and Alex Kennedy are the two top dogs at Basketball Insiders. Kyler posts a lot of stuff on twitter thats pretty plugged in to front offices around the league, and Kennedy breaks some major stories once in a while.

[Ill-yasova]

Parker is already 19. At this point he is what hes going to be. Wiggins is only 19 and has plenty of time to develop.

I prefer Wiggins but I completely disagree with this post. Players who work hard will usually find ways to get better:

[humanrefutation]

Parker is already 19. At this point he is what hes going to be. Wiggins is only 19 and has plenty of time to develop.

How does this make any sense?

[driese0824]

Parker is already 19. At this point he is what hes going to be. Wiggins is only 19 and has plenty of time to develop.

How does this make any sense?

What he is saying is that people are already saying that Parker won't get any better even though he's a old man of 19 yet are hypocrites by saying Wiggins will improve his game cause he's only 19.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Parker is already 19. At this point he is what hes going to be. Wiggins is only 19 and has plenty of time to develop.

How does this make any sense?

I thought that he was being sarcastic but if not then .

[Ill-yasova]

What this posted yet?

Joel Embiid vs NBA caliber centers video analysis.

About 5 times over the past 3 days but no one has really been discussing it. I'd encourage more people to post it until it is acknowledged. Good breakdown that shows that Embiid was pretty average against fringe NBA bigs.

Incredibly irrelevant video. You draft him knowing that he has elite size, quickness, and basketball IQ for the position and that he is still very early in his development.

I can show you video's of Exum's questionable vertical and shooting, or Parker's defense, or Wiggin's ballhandling but it all means nothing. You're not drafting the 19 year old college kid, your drafting what you hope they'll develop into a few years down the road (re-read this line in a Don Draper voice for fun). If Embiid is healthy I believe his ceiling blows away everyone else.

[crkone]

What this posted yet?

Joel Embiid vs NBA caliber centers video analysis.

About 5 times over the past 3 days but no one has really been discussing it. I'd encourage more people to post it until it is acknowledged. Good breakdown that shows that Embiid was pretty average against fringe NBA bigs.

Incredibly irrelevant video. You draft him knowing that he has elite size, quickness, and basketball IQ for the position and that he is still very early in his development.

I can show you video's of Exum's questionable vertical and shooting, or Parker's defense, or Wiggin's ballhandling but it all means nothing. You're not drafting the 19 year old college kid, your drafting what you hope they'll develop into a few years down the road (re-read this line in a Don Draper voice for fun). If Embiid is healthy I believe his ceiling blows away everyone else.

Everything is relevant in researching draft picks. I'm sure the Bucks aren't looking at every one of Embiid's games and are instead throwing darts at a board.

[humanrefutation]

Parker is already 19. At this point he is what hes going to be. Wiggins is only 19 and has plenty of time to develop.

How does this make any sense?

What he is saying is that people are already saying that Parker won't get any better even though he's a old man of 19 yet are hypocrites by saying Wiggins will improve his game cause he's only 19.

If it was sarcasm, I get it. I wasn't sure if it was.

[Ron Swanson]

Parker is already 19. At this point he is what hes going to be. Wiggins is only 19 and has plenty of time to develop.

How does this make any sense?

What he is saying is that people are already saying that Parker won't get any better even though he's a old man of 19 yet are hypocrites by saying Wiggins will improve his game cause he's only 19.

Age has absolutely nothing to do with it. It has always been, and will always be about translatable NBA skills and physical tools.

We aren't in love with Giannis' potential because he's 19 years old, it's because he's a 6'10 point forward with great quickness, athleticism, and a natural feel for the game. The fact that he's only 19 just makes the potential all the more enticing.

Why people keep failing to understand this in regards to the Wiggins vs. Parker debate is beyond me. Being 19 years old doesn't mean you have comparable potential to all other 19 year olds.