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Re: Preseason Game 2: Lakers at Bucks - 10/10/24 - 7:00 - BSWI/NBATV 

Post#301 » by emunney » Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:57 pm

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Prez wrote:Dre still has tools that are useful, but him being such an anemic scorer just kills everything. Like you could work around his lack of perimeter scoring/shooting if he was super aggressive/explosive with touch finishing at the basket. But if he's a total non threat scoring wise it falls apart quickly.


I was really rooting for Andre to be a player; he was a lot of fun to watch at UConn even though **** UConn. But yeah, in the NBA setting, I just don't think he's enough of a threat with the ball in his hands to utilize him on-ball, and his lackluster everything else offensively makes him difficult to play off-ball. He needs to turn into a DPOY caliber defender to be more than a limited bench role type of guy IMO and (1) that's such a high bar for anyone and (2) I just don't see that in him personally.


I think you've got to do stuff where he's in the corner and just flashes to open space to be a passer. Catch, pass. That's where he's at his most valuable offensively on a play-to-play basis. Creating advantages by passing faster than the defense can react.
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Post#302 » by MiltownMadness » Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:14 pm

This AJ guy seems to be a basketball player
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Post#303 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:29 pm

I remember saying it the second we drafted him, but I just don't understand how anyone can think Andre can be a viable NBA player on offense if you're just gonna have him be this "connector" passer or inverted pick & roll middle man. He always was gonna need to be some sort of on-ball play-maker or point guard/wing for this to work, but it's like they haven't even tried him in that role. 2nd round picks are always a long shot, but idk, maybe having a development plan or proper role in mind for these guys that you draft would be nice for a change...
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Post#304 » by MiltownMadness » Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:35 pm

Big problem of Jackson is that the thing that is supposed to be his strength (active defender) is actually a detriment. He is super undisciplined and can't stay on the floor defensively, never mind the offense. I think you need to feature him more offensively to grow comfort like he had in college, he sees the floor supremely well and has some ball-handling ability, there is something there. It'll start with becoming a disciplined defender and then you go from there. I still see a path but he has to hit defensively
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Post#305 » by -Jragon- » Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:08 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Khris is always gonna be in the closing lineup. This whole argument is nonsense.

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That's great but also at the end of games it can get chaotic and be a sh*t show where teams are behind, trapping, gambling, gunning, etc... the Miami series you could see it.. square on the back of Middleton he drives us to a 17 point lead with 5 minutes left.. then square on Middleton with that trapping and gambling chaos we didn't have that gear to match them or the D to stop the run. Plus we also had no option to turn to so we lost those games. It would be nice to be able to pivot to a consistent defensive lineup when appropriate.
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Post#306 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:20 pm

Yeah Giannis is a Top-2 player in the world and all but sometimes the 4th quarter can get chaotic and they might intentionally foul Giannis and his poor free throw shooting could cost us the game, so it'd be nice if we could sometimes pivot and bench Giannis for Bobby in the final 2-minutes.
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Post#307 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:47 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:Khris is always gonna be in the closing lineup. This whole argument is nonsense.

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That's great but also at the end of games it can get chaotic and be a sh*t show where teams are behind, trapping, gambling, gunning, etc... the Miami series you could see it.. square on the back of Middleton he drives us to a 17 point lead with 5 minutes left.. then square on Middleton with that trapping and gambling chaos we didn't have that gear to match them or the D to stop the run. Plus we also had no option to turn to so we lost those games. It would be nice to be able to pivot to a consistent defensive lineup when appropriate.


In a normal world, wouldn't those defenders replace the bad defenders rather than Middleton?

The team has always needed another ball handler too, but at the SG position. Delon Wright will be such a savior when the playoffs start.
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Post#308 » by ShootingtheJ » Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:48 pm

MiltownMadness wrote:This AJ guy seems to be a basketball player



Could you be more vague?
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Post#309 » by blazza18 » Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:01 am

chonestown wrote:Like AJ was supposed to be our long range marksman off the bench, but it's been a struggle so far this year.


Duncan Robinson he is not.
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Post#310 » by emunney » Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:21 am

Shooting 58% on fadeaways is pretty funny.
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Post#311 » by HKPackFan » Sat Oct 12, 2024 4:59 am

MiltownMadness wrote:This AJ guy seems to be a basketball player


Personally I think AJ > AJ > AJ.

You know what I mean.
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Post#312 » by -Jragon- » Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:24 am

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-Jragon- wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Khris is always gonna be in the closing lineup. This whole argument is nonsense.

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That's great but also at the end of games it can get chaotic and be a sh*t show where teams are behind, trapping, gambling, gunning, etc... the Miami series you could see it.. square on the back of Middleton he drives us to a 17 point lead with 5 minutes left.. then square on Middleton with that trapping and gambling chaos we didn't have that gear to match them or the D to stop the run. Plus we also had no option to turn to so we lost those games. It would be nice to be able to pivot to a consistent defensive lineup when appropriate.


In a normal world, wouldn't those defenders replace the bad defenders rather than Middleton?

The team has always needed another ball handler too, but at the SG position. Delon Wright will be such a savior when the playoffs start.



The game also speeds up at the end.. KM is behind the speed.. Lopez also is but BL is still a top level halfcourt defender.

Also benching Giannis makes us slower so it's not apples to apples although I can agree GA shouldn't barrel into those fouls.
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Post#313 » by GregAz » Sat Oct 12, 2024 6:41 am

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ShootingtheJ wrote:
-Jragon- wrote:

That's great but also at the end of games it can get chaotic and be a sh*t show where teams are behind, trapping, gambling, gunning, etc... the Miami series you could see it.. square on the back of Middleton he drives us to a 17 point lead with 5 minutes left.. then square on Middleton with that trapping and gambling chaos we didn't have that gear to match them or the D to stop the run. Plus we also had no option to turn to so we lost those games. It would be nice to be able to pivot to a consistent defensive lineup when appropriate.


In a normal world, wouldn't those defenders replace the bad defenders rather than Middleton?

The team has always needed another ball handler too, but at the SG position. Delon Wright will be such a savior when the playoffs start.



The game also speeds up at the end.. KM is behind the speed.. Lopez also is but BL is still a top level halfcourt defender.

Also benching Giannis makes us slower so it's not apples to apples although I can agree GA shouldn't barrel into those fouls.


Pretty sure Usain Bolt is a free agent. Maybe we could sign him and upgrade our speed.
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Post#314 » by engelmartin » Sat Oct 12, 2024 8:48 am

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ShootingtheJ wrote:
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That's great but also at the end of games it can get chaotic and be a sh*t show where teams are behind, trapping, gambling, gunning, etc... the Miami series you could see it.. square on the back of Middleton he drives us to a 17 point lead with 5 minutes left.. then square on Middleton with that trapping and gambling chaos we didn't have that gear to match them or the D to stop the run. Plus we also had no option to turn to so we lost those games. It would be nice to be able to pivot to a consistent defensive lineup when appropriate.


In a normal world, wouldn't those defenders replace the bad defenders rather than Middleton?

The team has always needed another ball handler too, but at the SG position. Delon Wright will be such a savior when the playoffs start.



The game also speeds up at the end.. KM is behind the speed.. Lopez also is but BL is still a top level halfcourt defender.

Also benching Giannis makes us slower so it's not apples to apples although I can agree GA shouldn't barrel into those fouls.

Surely benching the all-NBA first team MVP at the end of games is the answer
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Post#315 » by DutchManDanFan » Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:08 am

engelmartin wrote:
-Jragon- wrote:The game also speeds up at the end.. KM is behind the speed.. Lopez also is but BL is still a top level halfcourt defender.

Also benching Giannis makes us slower so it's not apples to apples although I can agree GA shouldn't barrel into those fouls.

Surely benching the all-NBA first team MVP at the end of games is the answer

Good thing is the other team won't expect this!
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Post#316 » by ShootingtheJ » Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:50 pm

-Jragon- wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
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That's great but also at the end of games it can get chaotic and be a sh*t show where teams are behind, trapping, gambling, gunning, etc... the Miami series you could see it.. square on the back of Middleton he drives us to a 17 point lead with 5 minutes left.. then square on Middleton with that trapping and gambling chaos we didn't have that gear to match them or the D to stop the run. Plus we also had no option to turn to so we lost those games. It would be nice to be able to pivot to a consistent defensive lineup when appropriate.


In a normal world, wouldn't those defenders replace the bad defenders rather than Middleton?

The team has always needed another ball handler too, but at the SG position. Delon Wright will be such a savior when the playoffs start.



The game also speeds up at the end.. KM is behind the speed.. Lopez also is but BL is still a top level halfcourt defender.

Also benching Giannis makes us slower so it's not apples to apples although I can agree GA shouldn't barrel into those fouls.


The game speeds up? So? Players still miss when trying to score on Middleton, and Mids still hits buckets. He's one the the best and most efficient crunch time players of all time. You'd rather have speed than effectiveness? You hate winning?
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Post#317 » by CharityStripe34 » Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:22 pm

DutchManDanFan wrote:
engelmartin wrote:
-Jragon- wrote:The game also speeds up at the end.. KM is behind the speed.. Lopez also is but BL is still a top level halfcourt defender.

Also benching Giannis makes us slower so it's not apples to apples although I can agree GA shouldn't barrel into those fouls.

Surely benching the all-NBA first team MVP at the end of games is the answer

Good thing is the other team won't expect this!


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Post#318 » by chonestown » Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:36 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
MiltownMadness wrote:This AJ guy seems to be a basketball player



Could you be more vague?


Seems to me
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Post#319 » by -Jragon- » Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:38 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
The game speeds up? So? Players still miss when trying to score on Middleton, and Mids still hits buckets. He's one the the best and most efficient crunch time players of all time. You'd rather have speed than effectiveness? You hate winning?


Sig worthy.. basically we have Jordan (a GOAT in crunch time) and Rodman (great rebounder) combined into 1 humble man. Khris Middleton. I can't believe we ever lose a game in that case. 82 - 0 this year.
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Post#320 » by JonHeist » Sat Oct 12, 2024 5:07 pm

games slow down at the end

especially in the playoffs

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