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Post#461 » by ABucksFan » Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:53 pm

Seeing Stotts career timeline, it's possible after being an assistant for so long then being a HC and then coming back to assistant he just didn't want it. At his age and the time he's put in, he probably convinced himself being AC was ok, but when reality came he realized he didn't want it. Hard to give control up after making it to HC after so long. I bet this is most likely, trying to put myself in his shoes. Hard from being "THE" guy to being "A" guy.
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Post#462 » by Daver » Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:55 pm

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When coaches say stupid things I tend not to like them

As far as the rest of the fanbase I saw plenty of pro Griffin stuff when he was hired and alot of that has already turned against him



You must of really hated bud then yes cause 95% of what bud said was stupid things


Nah Bud was an extremely successful head coach. Were there things I disagreed with sometimes yes, but for the most part he made really sound smart decisions that immediately turned us from a middling team to a title contender and one of the best 5 year stretches in Bucks history. I'm very worried us firing Bud is us losing excellence trying to chase perfection.



He was a good coach no argument there but was fricking brutal in the POs RS wins mean nothing in the grand scheme when you cant get your team motivated to play a 8th seed or stsnd there with your arms folded n watch williams n horford go postel from 3 n stand there with your arms folded n do nothing or watch nurse curb stomp your ass in 4 straight games while he made the adjustments n you didnt do sh...But yes great regular season coach
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Post#463 » by The Wet Whistle » Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:56 pm

I think we can all agree Daver needs to be the next lead assistant
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Post#464 » by Ryan5UW » Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:57 pm

Maybe Bally's can hire him so we still get the return of stats with Stotts (which is the real loss here).
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Post#465 » by jschligs » Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:58 pm

I would ****ing die if after all the rumors and craziness here today it comes to light that Stotts just didn't want to be a AC at this stage in his life. And it's 100% possible, and something I mentioned earlier. I said it's like having a kid. You slog through the newborn/baby phase, enjoy the toddler phase a bit more and go, "let's have another." 6 months later you're questioning why you did it. Stotts might have just realized before he planted his seed too deep.
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Post#466 » by MVP2110 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:58 pm

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You must of really hated bud then yes cause 95% of what bud said was stupid things


Nah Bud was an extremely successful head coach. Were there things I disagreed with sometimes yes, but for the most part he made really sound smart decisions that immediately turned us from a middling team to a title contender and one of the best 5 year stretches in Bucks history. I'm very worried us firing Bud is us losing excellence trying to chase perfection.



He was a good coach no argument there but was fricking brutal in the POs RS wins mean nothing in the grand scheme when you cant get your team motivated to play a 8th seed or stsnd there with your arms folded n watch williams n horford go postel from 3 n stand there with your arms folded n do nothing or watch nurse curb stomp your ass in 4 straight games while he made the adjustments n you didnt do sh...But yes great regular season coach


I will standby the fact that Bud outcoached Udoka and getting to 7 games against Boston without Khris was incredibly impressive and then against Miami this year he lost Giannis for half the series and had to coach through the death or his brother. Look we don't need to turn this into another Bud thread, but to me Bud had earned the benefit of the doubt on most things. But if Bud had come in this offseason and said that he was planning on starting Beasley and using him to guard the best offensive players, and then on top of it Charles Lee abruptly resigned right before the season started, yea I'd have questioned Bud in that scenario too.
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Re: Stotts Steps Down 

Post#467 » by Daver » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:00 pm

The Wet Whistle wrote:I think we can all agree Daver needs to be the next lead assistant



Thanks already been lead assistant for rec basketball loved it but no time now
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Post#468 » by crkone » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:00 pm

jschligs wrote:I would ****ing die if after all the rumors and craziness here today it comes to light that Stotts just didn't want to be a AC at this stage in his life. And it's 100% possible, and something I mentioned earlier. I said it's like having a kid. You slog through the newborn/baby phase, enjoy the toddler phase a bit more and go, "let's have another." 6 months later you're questioning why you did it. Stotts might have just realized before he planted his seed too deep.
It makes the most sense especially with what Epi said. Maybe AG sparked something and Stotts had his Half-Baked "**** you, **** you, you're cool" exit.

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Post#469 » by crkone » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:04 pm

Real question is if Stotts still gets a ring after leaving before the season starts...

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Re: Stotts Steps Down 

Post#470 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:05 pm

jschligs wrote:I would ****ing die if after all the rumors and craziness here today it comes to light that Stotts just didn't want to be a AC at this stage in his life. And it's 100% possible, and something I mentioned earlier. I said it's like having a kid. You slog through the newborn/baby phase, enjoy the toddler phase a bit more and go, "let's have another." 6 months later you're questioning why you did it. Stotts might have just realized before he planted his seed too deep.

Now i'm imagining Stotts planting seed.


IDK - If it was really just the grind, Stotts should've been a man about it and announce it at a mini PC or at least issue a team statement before it got out. Either he is a total dick or there is more to it.
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Post#471 » by metzy255 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:08 pm

This might’ve been brought up in a previous post. But maybe Stotts didn’t want to coach Dame again? I get all the good stuff Dame said about him but would you expect Dame to say anything different coming into a new team?
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Post#472 » by blazza18 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:22 pm

Not what you want to see a week out from season start. Hope Griffin/Horst have a good replacement in mind. Losing Stotts’ experience and knowledge off the bench is a big deal.
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Post#473 » by crowhead76 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:25 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Stotts could have already calmed this whole thing down by making up some 'more time with family' excuse when he leaked the news to Woj. But he didn't and I'm guessing it was him who leaked the stuff that's come out so far.

Yes it appears it was Stotts decision but he's been around long to know how to put out this fire and it appears he's chosen not too.


As far as Griffins fault, I wouldn't go that far because we don't know the details, but it's not a great look.

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What stuff has come out?
All I've seen is the JS article saying 'league source' that the 'fit never materalized'

Not a big deal but my overall point is Stotts has been around this league long enough to understand the fire storm this would cause and the fact he didn't do anything to put it out even with some lame PR statement is a little telling.

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Post#474 » by Epicurus » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:26 pm

metzy255 wrote:This might’ve been brought up in a previous post. But maybe Stotts didn’t want to coach Dame again? I get all the good stuff Dame said about him but would you expect Dame to say anything different coming into a new team?
Dame has since TS's firing praised TS in abnormal waves of appreciation for the freedom and support stotts gave him. Not just in public, but last season in Charlotte Dame came over to Stotts' restaurant table to tell him anew of his appreciation of TS' coaching. Far beyond common! No, Stotts gladly wanted to coach Dame again and Dame sincirely welcomed it. They like and appreciate each other.
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Post#475 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:26 pm

“Everybody was kind of surprised by it,” Lillard said. “It kind of came out of nowhere. I’ve been in this league long enough to know that these types of things happen. Everything continues, so you’ve got to kind of process things like this and other things that may come up and continue to move forward. For me, knowing Terry as long as I’ve known him – playing for him for nine years and him also making this transition for me easier just having a familiar face be such a huge part of it – was a good thing. I think now that I’m settled in, to see him go is unfortunate. It’s sad to see him go, but like I said, everything is still moving forward.”

He added that he appreciated the fact Stotts did it quietly and with some time left in the preseason for the team to adjust. Khris Middleton agreed the timing and Stotts' professionalism were a help.

"I think that's the first time that's happened in my career where I've seen or heard of an assistant coach just resigning at the start of the season, but he had to do what's best for him so credit to him for that," Middleton said. "There's a lot of respect for the way he handled it. Like Dame said, he didn't make a big scene, a big whatever, just made the decision to go talk to 'Griff' and Jon (Horst, general manager) about it I guess and just had to come the realization that whatever he was going through, this wasn't the place for him at the time."
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Post#476 » by Turk Nowitzki » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:27 pm

Maybe they're being diplomatic out of respect to Griffin but those quotes sure read like nothing crazy happened and his heart just wasn't in it.
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Post#477 » by MVP2110 » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:30 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:Maybe they're being diplomatic but it sure reads like nothing crazy happened and his heart just wasn't in it.


I guess it depends if you believe the players or the reporters. Reporters are basically saying there was a disagreement, players are saying his heart wasn't in it, and Griff basically ignored the question
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Re: Stotts Steps Down 

Post#478 » by Dick Tate » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:30 pm

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He's already appeared without information.

TBH, Epi had the only worthwhile comment in this thread when he said Stotts didn't originally want to be an assistant coach.
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Post#479 » by HaroldinGMinor » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:31 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:Maybe they're being diplomatic out of respect to Griffin but those quotes sure read like nothing crazy happened and his heart just wasn't in it.


He's 65. Hadn't coached in two years. Maybe he just wants the perfect fit and this wasn't it? I dunno. Or maybe he really wants to be a head coach and didn't know it until they started running practices.
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Re: Stotts Steps Down 

Post#480 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Oct 19, 2023 9:31 pm

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What stuff has come out?
All I've seen is the JS article saying 'league source' that the 'fit never materalized'

Not a big deal but my overall point is Stotts has been around this league long enough to understand the fire storm this would cause and the fact he didn't do anything to put it out even with some lame PR statement is a little telling.

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I would not take anything that Jim Owczarski writes or posts as anything of value, he is an awful reporter, I also think he is a lazy reporter but that is just my opinion.
I have no opinion on Jim but my overall point that Stotts has been around and he knew what this would set off so not releasing a PR type statement does raise some red flags with me.

Now Stotts could totally be in the wrong here and the bucks are lucky he's gone but I just don't get the sense this was a complete nothing situation.

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