ATL - 2021-22 Regular Season Begins

Plossum · Post #61 » by **Plossum** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:06 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:The fact that Philly and Houston didn't do a Simmons/Harden swap is mindblowing.

Didn't it fall over because Philly didn't want to include Maxey in the deal?! I could be misremembering but it was a big fail from Philly.

blazza18 · Post #62 » by **blazza18** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:17 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:The fact that Philly and Houston didn't do a Simmons/Harden swap is mindblowing.

I think with hindsight Houston choosing not to want Simmons has turned out to be a fine choice so far.

Post #63 » by **Prez** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:27 pm

Read on Twitter

This is pretty messed up by Rich Paul if true. Not really doing much to dispel the notion that he cares more about his headlining clients and his own power over what's best for his smaller name clients. Not a good precedent to set as well if agents are allowed to pull **** like this, although I guess it's not something new. Maybe Maxey does want out of Philly but it seems like Paul just trying to poison that relationship between Maxey and the Sixers when it's a pretty good situation for him.

Milbucks96 · Post #64 » by **Milbucks96** » Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:56 pm

The craziest thing about this situation is timberwolves fans thinking that they’re getting Simmons for nothing.

Pachinko_ · Post #65 » by **Pachinko_** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 12:34 am

Is Simmons even positive value now? I bet there are some GMs who would be asking for picks or looking to dump some albatross contract before they agree to pay Simmons his remaining $170m. I mean sure the guy defends and passes, great, but he is abysmal in every other respect, from the offensive part of his game to his attitude, his contract, his improvement trajectory, and how easy it is to construct a winning team with him.

I'm sure there are some GMs willing to give up something of value for Simmons but man, that must be a very small market for Morey.

raferfenix · Post #66 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 12:52 am

Seems like quite a coincidence that Nerlens Noel's Sixers-era gripe with Rich Paul is first coming to light now alongside Paul pulling this ish.

raferfenix · Post #67 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 12:53 am

Pachinko_ wrote:Is Simmons even positive value now?

Also you have to deal with Rich Paul.

MiltownHawkeye · Post #68 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:09 am

Milbucks96 wrote:The craziest thing about this situation is timberwolves fans thinking that they’re getting Simmons for nothing.

I mean, what is the non-Minnesota market for him?

giannis and 1 · Post #69 » by **giannis and 1** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:00 am

MiltownHawkeye wrote:
Milbucks96 wrote:The craziest thing about this situation is timberwolves fans thinking that they’re getting Simmons for nothing.

I mean, what is the non-Minnesota market for him?

Warriors, Trail Blazers, Kings, Raptors?

Milbucks96 · Post #70 » by **Milbucks96** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:24 am

giannis and 1 wrote:
MiltownHawkeye wrote:
Milbucks96 wrote:The craziest thing about this situation is timberwolves fans thinking that they’re getting Simmons for nothing.

I mean, what is the non-Minnesota market for him?

Warriors, Trail Blazers, Kings, Raptors?

Brogdon was rumored to be offered earlier, if blazers start off slow McCollum will be in play if he’s not already. I don’t agree with the way morey is handling it but it’s no way that his value is Beverly, prince, and mcdaniels. Idc if he’s holding out, he has 4 years left on his deal. Hold him til near the deadline and send him to a desperate, Portland/pacers or whoever.

DrWood · Post #71 » by **DrWood** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 7:37 am

Pachinko_ wrote:Is Simmons even positive value now? I bet there are some GMs who would be asking for picks or looking to dump some albatross contract before they agree to pay Simmons his remaining $170m. I mean sure the guy defends and passes, great, but he is abysmal in every other respect, from the offensive part of his game to his attitude, his contract, his improvement trajectory, and how easy it is to construct a winning team with him.

I'm sure there are some GMs willing to give up something of value for Simmons but man, that must be a very small market for Morey.

I think every team in the league would like to have Simmons on their roster.
But there aren't many that can make the money work.
And there aren't many who would be a great choice from his perspective (sure we'll take him and give him 15 minutes a game when GA is on the bench and maybe 10 minutes a game when they're both on the court). If he really limited it to the 4 California teams, all Philly will get are lowball offers. Then the 6ers have to decide whether to call Simmons bluff.

BroncoBuck · Post #72 » by **BroncoBuck** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 11:34 am

It really feels like Rich Paul is negotiating in bad faith for his clients. It makes zero sense for Maxey to leave Philly when he’s going to be getting 30 minutes a night in a lead guard role on a championship contender.

This seems like windfall from the Nerlens Noel accusations, which if they turn out to be true would surely get Paul suspended by the NBAPA. Klutch has always seemed like an invisible arm for LeBron to control the league, but they might have overstepped their bounds on this one.

har13 · Post #73 » by **har13** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:19 pm

DrWood wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:Is Simmons even positive value now? I bet there are some GMs who would be asking for picks or looking to dump some albatross contract before they agree to pay Simmons his remaining $170m. I mean sure the guy defends and passes, great, but he is abysmal in every other respect, from the offensive part of his game to his attitude, his contract, his improvement trajectory, and how easy it is to construct a winning team with him.

I'm sure there are some GMs willing to give up something of value for Simmons but man, that must be a very small market for Morey.

I think every team in the league would like to have Simmons on their roster.
But there aren't many that can make the money work.
And there aren't many who would be a great choice from his perspective (sure we'll take him and give him 15 minutes a game when GA is on the bench and maybe 10 minutes a game when they're both on the court). If he really limited it to the 4 California teams, all Philly will get are lowball offers. Then the 6ers have to decide whether to call Simmons bluff.

Is he good for 35 mils per year? Hell no, so why many teams will want him?

Is he good as the 2nd best player on a team that wants to win a championship? no he is not, so why will anyone give 76ers value for him?

Is he a good character guy? With what i read i cant say that so?

Maybe he is good for average teams that want to be at playoffs or a team like Warriors instead of Green as the 3rd man.

So no, i disagree completely that all teams want him, i sure dont want him for the Bucks with his contract and his personality, if you ask me, i dislike him completely. ( i m wrong i know, i cant have an opinion for a man i dont know but still... he is a millionaire so i dont believe he will care if someone misjudge his character in here lol)

Ron Swanson · Post #74 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:23 pm

It's gonna be great in a few years when no one gives a **** about Rich Paul anymore because Daddy Lebron isn't in the league and being the only thing making his name and occupation relevant.

emunney · Post #75 » by **emunney** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:31 pm

Milbucks96 wrote:The craziest thing about this situation is timberwolves fans thinking that they’re getting Simmons for nothing.

Like 90% of fans seem to think that about every trade, though. Sacto fans think they're getting him for Hield and Bagley.

emunney · Post #76 » by **emunney** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:35 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:It's gonna be great in a few years when no one gives a **** about Rich Paul anymore because Daddy Lebron isn't in the league and being the only thing making his name and occupation relevant.

In most cases I think Paul has been a great agent, he consistently gets guys contracts they haven't earned. And then there are times when he's overaggressive and gets burned. He's a gambler, and a good one, but players should just be aware that they're the wager.

I don't get what he's doing with this Maxey thing, seems needlessly destructive.

raferfenix · Post #77 » by **raferfenix** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 1:56 pm

Lebron and Rich Paul have taken tampering to new heights by orchestrating players like Anthony Davis to hold out until their teams feel compelled to trade them to their desired destination.

It makes the league way boring to have the Lakers suck up all the free agents too.

Adam Silver should have reigned this in a while ago. Maybe the league office will look at it differently now that it’s happening to a big market team like the Sixers who should be focused on contending as opposed to agents strip mining their assets to move stars and minor clients alike closer to Hollywood.

Ron Swanson · Post #78 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:00 pm

Nah, Rich Paul is a pretentious buffoon who only gets his clients paid because he has you know who on speed dial. This is how he (and by extension, Lebron/Klutch) always seem to operate though. Basically, "Pay my client what he wants or else you get on Lebron's bad side", and we're seeing the ugly side of that play out now in real time. He doesn't give a **** about Maxey's interests or any non-premier clients that aren't potential Lebron super-team additions. The second Lebron leaves the league, all Paul's negotiating leverage goes with him. Don't get me wrong, most if not all agents have a little bit of that narcissistic scumbag in them, and Rich Paul is no different.

emunney · Post #79 » by **emunney** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:05 pm

blazza18 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:The fact that Philly and Houston didn't do a Simmons/Harden swap is mindblowing.

I think with hindsight Houston choosing not to want Simmons has turned out to be a fine choice so far.

Wasn't the reporting that it was mostly a result of Fertitta not wanting to deal with Morey?

emunney · Post #80 » by **emunney** » Wed Sep 1, 2021 2:08 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Nah, Rich Paul is a pretentious buffoon who only gets his clients paid because he has you know who on speed dial. This is how he (and by extension, Lebron/Klutch) always seem to operate though. Basically, "Pay my client what he wants or else you get on Lebron's bad side", and we're seeing the ugly side of that play out now in real time. He doesn't give a **** about Maxey's interests or any non-premier clients that aren't potential Lebron super-team additions. The second Lebron leaves the league, all Paul's negotiating leverage goes with him. Don't get me wrong, most if not all agents have a little bit of that narcissistic scumbag in them, and Rich Paul is no different.

What does, for example, Cory Joseph getting 10m from the Pistons have to do with LeBron?