Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Beal for Midds discussed last year

[M-C-G]

You guys must be watching different games then me. Brook gets absolutely roasted against any team that has a guard that can hit a midrange and/or any big that can shoot a 3.

all bigs struggle with that and its why basketball games involve so much scoring.

if a matchup goes particularly awry the countermove is going small but then you give up rebounding, the rim, and a guy like giannis would take an absolute physical beating every single night.

the answer is keeping teams on their heels having to make multiple adjustments thru a game and brook is a back line chess piece for that.

for me now no discussion about lopez is complete if you arent discussing what he can take away from other teams. we saw the year he was out how desperate we were to have what he brings and paid a high price for it. but a guy that can almost singlehandedly force teams to try and rain 3s or shoot pullup midrange jumpers without crushing your offense is exactly why a gobert or lopez or embiid will always have a place on all nba defensive teams..... and the defensive metrics of their teams often back it up year after year

We just need a complimenting piece that isn’t Giannis to play the 5. And have to be real that certain matchups the team will be more likely to benefit from Lopez not being on the court OR we have to figure out how to use him differently in those match ups. Pacers gave us a preview to how teams are going to try and play us going forward, just like Toronto did with the wall they built defensively, so ball is in our court to figure out the adjustments

[Ron Swanson]

If anyone thinks that those Bobby-as-the-sole-big lineups aren't gonna absolutely hemorrhage points at the rim, then good luck with that. The people that think giving up open mid-rangers and above-the-break threes is worse than allowing a layup line at the rim are probably the same people that thought that Adrian Griffin and his doofus Nurse/Toronto defensive scheme was gonna be a welcome breath of fresh air.

[paulpressey25]

PJ showed us the model with Brook. You simply have an active and physical small 4/5 on your roster, who takes those times Brook is not effective.

And the team get's it, since they let PJ walk, we've tried Semi, Jae, and a few others I forget. But they all sucked. So the question is whether or not Livingston, Middleton or Taurean can handle that role this year.

[MiltownMadness]

Maybe Horst is hinting he is more willing to move Bobby, which would be the smart play imo. Brook is pretty useful for us (elite rim protection will always be more valuable than what Bobby provides) still while Bobby really only works if you have Giannis at the 5.

[MiltownMadness]

You guys must be watching different games then me. Brook gets absolutely roasted against any team that has a guard that can hit a midrange and/or any big that can shoot a 3.

Bucks most played lineup was big 3 + Brook and it had a monster net rating. He just makes sense with our stars. Someone like Reed would've been nice for a small ball 4 but can't ignore that Brook has his use, especially next to Giannis

[raferfenix]

Horst is very high on these guys:

- GTJ "has a defensive component to his game that I think we can help flourish and grow more in our system. We’ve been able to do that with players, not only grow players offensively, but grow them defensively. And I just think he’s a great fit, not only next to Dame, but next to Khris and Giannis and Brook and Bobby and the group."

- "Delon just gave us a ton of flexibility. He was not only an early target, he was a top target for us....We targeted him because he can start at or back up two positions, maybe even three. He’s a big guard. He’s a defensive-minded guard. He’s playoff proven. He’s able to kind of generate turnovers, which is another thing that Gary does also. Both those guys are guys that generate turnovers on the ball and off the ball in the backcourt, something that we struggled with last year and we think helps in the playoffs.

-Prince "Highly effective in guarding tough matchups, really two through four, he has guarded some of the best players in the league throughout his career and even last year. He’s had really difficult matchups and done a really good job at it, so that’s something that pops for us. And he’s just athletic. So size, athleticism, age (30), really felt like that fit the things that we’re trying to accomplish in our offseason. He’s another guy who can defend multiple positions and make 3s. There’s a trend, if you look at these guys. Guys that can shoot the ball, that can defend multiple positions, age-appropriate, size-appropriate was really the overall target."

[Neuromancer56]

I guess the question is why does Bobby suck so much on defense? Is it because he doesn't put in the effort, or that he doesn't have the BBIQ? It seems that he's fast enough. Is he too weak? Could the right coach fix him?

[emunney]

I guess the question is why does Bobby suck so much on defense? Is it because he doesn't put in the effort, or that he doesn't have the BBIQ? It seems that he's fast enough. Is he too weak? Could the right coach fix him?

I think the big problem around the rim is that he's not long and doesn't jump high.

[German Athens]

Yeah, Bobby’s a 6’10” big man who doesn’t always cleanly get the ball over the rim on one handed dunks. He’s got some serious physical limitations.

[RogerMurdock]

Whoa, today I learned that some players have strengths and weaknesses.

[ShootingtheJ]

wanting to get rid of brook so that we can play small is dumb as hell

we already have the best small-ball 5 in the league

and sometimes you need a big-ball 5, even in today's game

Not in the playoffs.

[ShootingtheJ]

You guys must be watching different games then me. Brook gets absolutely roasted against any team that has a guard that can hit a midrange and/or any big that can shoot a 3.

Bucks most played lineup was big 3 + Brook and it had a monster net rating. He just makes sense with our stars. Someone like Reed would've been nice for a small ball 4 but can't ignore that Brook has his use, especially next to Giannis

You're talking about the regular season. Playoffs are different, teams are more willing to recreate themselves for a 7 game series.

[ShootingtheJ]

PJ showed us the model with Brook. You simply have an active and physical small 4/5 on your roster, who takes those times Brook is not effective.

And the team get's it, since they let PJ walk, we've tried Semi, Jae, and a few others I forget. But they all sucked. So the question is whether or not Livingston, Middleton or Taurean can handle that role this year.

You're right, were screwed. Livingston isn't ready, and Prince sucks.

[ShootingtheJ]

If anyone thinks that those Bobby-as-the-sole-big lineups aren't gonna absolutely hemorrhage points at the rim, then good luck with that. The people that think giving up open mid-rangers and above-the-break threes is worse than allowing a layup line at the rim are probably the same people that thought that Adrian Griffin and his doofus Nurse/Toronto defensive scheme was gonna be a welcome breath of fresh air.

Who wants Bobby to be the center? Not a single person has said that. What we want is a playoff center

[KidA24]

If anyone thinks that those Bobby-as-the-sole-big lineups aren't gonna absolutely hemorrhage points at the rim, then good luck with that. The people that think giving up open mid-rangers and above-the-break threes is worse than allowing a layup line at the rim are probably the same people that thought that Adrian Griffin and his doofus Nurse/Toronto defensive scheme was gonna be a welcome breath of fresh air.

Who wants Bobby to be the center? Not a single person has said that. What we want is a playoff center

List them. What is the list of playoff centers in the NBA if Brook isn't one of them

[ShootingtheJ]

Horst is just stating the obvious. They can't trade Lopez.

The problem with trading Brook is and always will be there's no obvious replacement. If he holds value because he's a rim protecting seven footer who shoots threes and you trade him, now you're down a rim protecting seven footer who shoots threes.

Sure, those are his good traits, now list his bad traits. He's a massive liability to transition defense, forcing the Bucks to game plan and limit where his is on the floor offensively. He get absolutely lit up from the 3 point line come playoff time consistently. He's too slow to be a threat as a roll man. He refuses to post up. He's not switchable.

Versus the Pacers, the Bucks were 20 points/100 worse defensively with Brook on the floor.

That number becomes even more awestriking when you realize Bobby Portis was the center when Brook sat.

If the Bucks defense can put up a 106 defensivee rating versus the high powered Pacers offense with out Giannis, and Portis at center, then I dont think it will be a difficult task to find an actual center (not Portis) to replace Brook.

No one gives a **** about a few games versus the Pacers without the Bucks best player.

Then increase the sample size. The Bucks defense was 8 points/100 worse with Brook on the floor versus Miami in the playoffs the year before.

[RRyder823]

Whoa, today I learned that some players have strengths and weaknesses.

Crazy right

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[Fotis St]

PJ showed us the model with Brook. You simply have an active and physical small 4/5 on your roster, who takes those times Brook is not effective.

And the team get's it, since they let PJ walk, we've tried Semi, Jae, and a few others I forget. But they all sucked. So the question is whether or not Livingston, Middleton or Taurean can handle that role this year.

You're right, were screwed. Livingston isn't ready, and Prince sucks.

At last ... we need a mobile 4 so Giannis can play the 5. We have been signing drafting SG-SF guys instead of focusing on SF-PF guys.

Lets pray Tyler Smith will be ready to have a 2021 Portis impact next to Giannis.

Bucks need to tell Giannis that he is 30 injury prone and is our current and future 5. Have a Korvet type of player at the 12-15th roster spot in case of certain matchups.

[MiltownMadness]

You guys must be watching different games then me. Brook gets absolutely roasted against any team that has a guard that can hit a midrange and/or any big that can shoot a 3.

Bucks most played lineup was big 3 + Brook and it had a monster net rating. He just makes sense with our stars. Someone like Reed would've been nice for a small ball 4 but can't ignore that Brook has his use, especially next to Giannis

You're talking about the regular season. Playoffs are different, teams are more willing to recreate themselves for a 7 game series.

And there are plenty of playoff match ups where Brook is useful for 20-25 mins a night

[midranger]

I love Brook so I have no joy in saying, he looked cooked in the playoffs. Maybe he had some injury that limited him, but if not, I don’t think you can rely on him being much more than a spot back up player against most teams.

My man is just too damn slow at this point. He was too slow to grab rebounds/loose balls that came to his area, to challenge floaters or layups in the drop, and/or to get back in transition despite standing 30 feet from the rim much of the time.

At his age, I don’t think you’re fixing slow. Only going to get worse.

He put on a great scoring display so I was hoping he’d have some value, but damned if he didn’t give it all back (and then some) on the glass and defensively.