Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday - Trade done - Bucks 2022 to CLE unprotected

ShootingtheJ · Post #801 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:51 am

I don't get it. Why would we back out of this?

LuessiT · Post #802 » by **LuessiT** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:53 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:I don't get it. Why would we back out of this?

Maybe there's a contingency plan in the case we couldn't get Bogdan we'd target someone else?

trwi7 · Post #803 » by **trwi7** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:55 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:I don't get it. Why would we back out of this?

It's a ridiculous overpayment even with the Bogdan deal. Now it's even worse without Bogdan because we aren't really getting better and giving up potential trade assets because they're all going to New Orleans.

LISTEN2JAZZ · Post #804 » by **LISTEN2JAZZ** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:01 am

If Edwards falls to number 2, back out of this trade, take advantage of Klay being hurt and move Milddleton for the pick. Giannis won't leave, he's a nice guy.

ShootingtheJ · Post #805 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:07 am

trwi7 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:I don't get it. Why would we back out of this?

It's a ridiculous overpayment even with the Bogdan deal. Now it's even worse without Bogdan because we aren't really getting better and giving up potential trade assets because they're all going to New Orleans.

The Bogdan deal didn't make us better, it just acquired the buddy of Giannis. If he actually backed out (he didnt) that's between Giannis and his buddy.
We're fine.

DingleJerry · Post #806 » by **DingleJerry** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:10 am

If Bogdon falls through I'm sure they'd try to find a similar move to make up for it. Could getting Redick into this deal be an option as a replacement?

coolhandluke121 · Post #807 » by **coolhandluke121** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:20 am

trwi7 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:I don't get it. Why would we back out of this?

It's a ridiculous overpayment even with the Bogdan deal. Now it's even worse without Bogdan because we aren't really getting better and giving up potential trade assets because they're all going to New Orleans.

Also leaves the Bucks without a single guard who has proven capable of consistently hitting over 35% of his 3's over the last 5 seasons. I think Jrue is around 34% in that stretch. People complained about Wesley Matthews shooting the 3 but he has never been under 36% in his entire career.

fansinceforever · Post #808 » by **fansinceforever** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:21 am

trwi7 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:I don't get it. Why would we back out of this?

It's a ridiculous overpayment even with the Bogdan deal. Now it's even worse without Bogdan because we aren't really getting better and giving up potential trade assets because they're all going to New Orleans.

Really don't understand how this point isn't very obvious to everyone here...

TD75 · Post #809 » by **TD75** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:39 am

Quick someone do something to mess up this trade as well.

SirChurros · Post #810 » by **SirChurros** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:49 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:I don't get it. Why would we back out of this?

It's a ridiculous overpayment even with the Bogdan deal. Now it's even worse without Bogdan because we aren't really getting better and giving up potential trade assets because they're all going to New Orleans.

The Bogdan deal didn't make us better, it just acquired the buddy of Giannis. If he actually backed out (he didnt) that's between Giannis and his buddy.
We're fine.

It made us better. Bogdan is better than Donte by a fair amount.

buckboy · Post #811 » by **buckboy** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:00 am

DingleJerry wrote:
Spoiler:
buckboy wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:
The information we have is they're both FAs. Assuming the negative side can't/won't happen because it's your team is faulty. I assume the same as you do, but it is clearly an assumption. Acting as if it's not is just wrong and there is where the risk lies. There is a long list of logical things with stars in recent years that didn't happen.

There is a big gap between doing these moves to prove to Giannis we're serious along with better in the playoffs and that a handshake is done that once the trades were completed that he's on boards. There is a big leap between one and the other that idiots like us have no idea on.

It's not faulty though. It's logical. We've seen this scenario any number of times across all sports. No one is acting as though it's not an assumption. I said as much in my post.

Completely disagree with your second paragraph, but as I said, to each their own. There is close to zero doubt in my mind that extensions are in place for both.

The fault is to assume logic always matters in this stuff. There is countless examples to the contrary.

And to have zero doubt on something you have no idea on is inherently faulty. Don't get me wrong, I assume the same as you. but I acknowledge it's an assumption and with that comes the risk. You on the other hand are just acting like it doesn't exist.

My less than 1% is probably moving up to about 3%. :-?

DingleJerry · Post #812 » by **DingleJerry** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:02 am

buckboy wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:
Spoiler:
buckboy wrote:
It's not faulty though. It's logical. We've seen this scenario any number of times across all sports. No one is acting as though it's not an assumption. I said as much in my post.

Completely disagree with your second paragraph, but as I said, to each their own. There is close to zero doubt in my mind that extensions are in place for both.

The fault is to assume logic always matters in this stuff. There is countless examples to the contrary.

And to have zero doubt on something you have no idea on is inherently faulty. Don't get me wrong, I assume the same as you. but I acknowledge it's an assumption and with that comes the risk. You on the other hand are just acting like it doesn't exist.

My less than 1% is probably moving up to about 3%.

Lol. I thought of this but held back on any kind of 'told ya so' type of post. Still hope it all works out.

pack15412 · Post #813 » by **pack15412** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:02 am

I'd rather have Giannis than 1st round picks in 5 and 7 years, so don't try backing out of this.

ShootingtheJ · Post #814 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:05 am

Krispy Kreme wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
It's a ridiculous overpayment even with the Bogdan deal. Now it's even worse without Bogdan because we aren't really getting better and giving up potential trade assets because they're all going to New Orleans.

The Bogdan deal didn't make us better, it just acquired the buddy of Giannis. If he actually backed out (he didnt) that's between Giannis and his buddy.
We're fine.
It made us better. Bogdan is better than Donte by a fair amount.

The data doesn't support this, even if we ignore salary.

Buck Dweller · Post #815 » by **Buck Dweller** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:05 am

fansinceforever wrote:
trwi7 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:I don't get it. Why would we back out of this?

It's a ridiculous overpayment even with the Bogdan deal. Now it's even worse without Bogdan because we aren't really getting better and giving up potential trade assets because they're all going to New Orleans.

Really don't understand how this point isn't very obvious to everyone here...

The reaction to this trade was interesting. Even the usual chicken littles were sounding like Jim Paschke

Gianstoppable · Post #816 » by **Gianstoppable** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:09 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Krispy Kreme wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:

The Bogdan deal didn't make us better, it just acquired the buddy of Giannis. If he actually backed out (he didnt) that's between Giannis and his buddy.
We're fine.
It made us better. Bogdan is better than Donte by a fair amount.

The data doesn't support this, even if we ignore salary.

Hope the data you use isnt team data because comparing Donte on the 1st place Bucks vs an awful Kings team makes no sense

Also, for you to make that statement but not wish we could take the Jrue trade back makes no sense either. The marginal gain from Jrue over two pretty good guards and 3 1sts 2 pick swaps for a possible 1 year rental is silly especially without Bogdon. With Bogdon it makes more sense but still a big overpay with unprotected picks

dedned · Post #817 » by **dedned** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:12 am

This is probably the deal that kills the franchise.

ShootingtheJ · Post #818 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:21 am

Gianstoppable wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Krispy Kreme wrote:It made us better. Bogdan is better than Donte by a fair amount.

The data doesn't support this, even if we ignore salary.

Hope the data you use isnt team data because comparing Donte on the 1st place Bucks vs an awful Kings team makes no sense

Also, for you to make that statement but not wish we could take the Jrue trade back makes no sense either. The marginal gain from Jrue over two pretty good guards and 3 1sts 2 pick swaps for a possible 1 year rental is silly especially without Bogdon. With Bogdon it makes more sense but still a big overpay with unprotected picks

The difference between playoff Jrue and playoff Bledsoe is as big as the Grand Canyon.

dedned · Post #819 » by **dedned** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:26 am

Maybe we can back out of this trade.

Gianstoppable · Post #820 » by **Gianstoppable** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:31 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Gianstoppable wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
The data doesn't support this, even if we ignore salary.

Hope the data you use isnt team data because comparing Donte on the 1st place Bucks vs an awful Kings team makes no sense

Also, for you to make that statement but not wish we could take the Jrue trade back makes no sense either. The marginal gain from Jrue over two pretty good guards and 3 1sts 2 pick swaps for a possible 1 year rental is silly especially without Bogdon. With Bogdon it makes more sense but still a big overpay with unprotected picks

The difference between playoff Jrue and playoff Bledsoe is as big as the Grand Canyon.

Of course it is, but it could be for one playoff run too