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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#821 » by ShootingtheJ » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:30 am

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machu46 wrote:The Athletic did their annual thing where they interview a bunch of scouts and use their quotes to write scouting reports on all the prospects. Still reading but one interesting thing is they all seem to think Walker Kessler will be a shooter in the NBA.

https://theathletic.com/3365902/2022/06/20/nba-draft-2022-anonymous-scouting-report/?source=user_shared_article


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I'm always questioning players' ability to shoot if they have bad FT% but Kessler wouldn't be allowed to shoot them in-game if he wasn't capable in practice.



Kessler shot the 3 well in HS. I believe he's a good classic center, and I'd loved him 5 years ago, but he simply doesn't fit today's NBA, and he'll take to long to reach his potential.
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Post#822 » by Giannisland34 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:12 pm

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Imo he's smart and very coachable, but on any other team he's a minimum player.


Opposing teams are lining up MLE offers for him when FA starts. He's an impact defender and rebounder.


A big reason Looney works at GS is Draymond doing a majority of the heavy lifting for him. As far as Yoan the kid is a very good help defense shot blocker and good on the perimeter staying in front of his man (with some highlight blocks of 3ptrs). He needs to learn how to drop his hips and defend with leverage on post ups in addition to putting good weight on. He is crazy quick though so maybe he can make up for it? It comes out more on offense from what I’ve seen. He also needs to work on his off ball defense. But he’s got incredible ups, tries to dunk every offensive rebound he gets his hands on, also has the best in game dunk I’ve seen in forever lol. Surprisingly he also has a 3pt shot and that nice wrap around pass out of the post to the corner. Kid is just fun.


But Green didn’t do all that heavy lifting in theses finals. Kerr staggered their minutes as much as possible. That’s why Looney wasn’t starting at the end.
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Post#823 » by WarFan » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:12 pm

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Eh I don’t think he is a center but certainly a bouncy forward and we struggled to find even 10 quality guys last year. I’m almost expecting to carry 4 guys that would barely make a g league team on our roster this year



He measures a replica of Kevon Looney, who is one of the best modern defensive centers in the game.


Gotta say that once you said Looney I can’t unsee it now lol, definitely there. But Yoan tops him athletically, which makes me wonder how much the hip surgery robbed Looneys hops. I’ve seen Yoan move his feet around the basket with the ball a few times lightning fast, like had to rewind a few times to understand what just happened fast. Looney has quick hands defensively but he moves like an old man at times

You can still find looneys hype videos from high school on YouTube. He had a lot more skills and even drew durant comparisons. Obviously, take that for what it’s worth but the 2 degenerative hips along with a couple other injuries are what you see now.

He used his first two years where he was rehabbing to really study the game and managed to learn enough to become a good defender and he quarterbacks the d when Draymond is out. His best attribute has always been his switchability and ability to stay on the floor when teams go small, but he can get abused by real bigs like jokic or embiid.

I’d be comfortable paying about $10m per for the dubs and about half of that for most other teams. I hope he gets a giant bag just cause he’s definitely earned it (and hopefully he’d get stretch/waived and come home pretty quick).
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#824 » by M-C-G » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:10 pm

So with Walk Kessler, Trevion Williams, Ibou Badji and Jaylin Williams here at least once, I think Christian Koloko might have been two times. It seems like they are thinking about life after Brook, but looking at a lot of second round type guys. And I am sure I am missing some other guys at the position too.
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2022 NBA Draft 

Post#825 » by machu46 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:11 pm

Update from Givony:

Has us projected to take Liddell at 24. Other options that we’ve been connected to are Nembhard, LaRavia, Braun, and Ismael Kamagate.

Also says rival teams have indicated that we’re potentially looking to move up into the mid to late teens to secure Mark Williams or Walker Kessler.


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Post#826 » by HKPackFan » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:15 pm

Are we taking the jovker?
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Post#827 » by emunney » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:16 pm

machu46 wrote:Update from Givony:

Has us projected to take Liddell at 24. Other options that we’ve been connected to are Nembhard, LaRavia, Braun, and Ismael Kamagate.

Also says rival teams have indicated that we’re potentially looking to move up into the mid to late teens to secure Mark Williams or Walker Kessler.


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Nembhard and LaRavia are smart players and it seems like smart teams are interested in them. I'm just really skeptical about their ability to guard their positions.

That 'or' between Mark Williams and Walker Kessler is really weighing on me.
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Post#828 » by German Athens » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:16 pm

Holy crap. If we moved up just to draft Kessler, I’d be distraught


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Post#829 » by RiotPunch » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:18 pm

German Athens wrote:Holy crap. If we moved up just to draft Kessler, I’d be distraught


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This is the type of thing I've long been conditioned for. :meditate:
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Post#830 » by machu46 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:19 pm

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machu46 wrote:Update from Givony:

Has us projected to take Liddell at 24. Other options that we’ve been connected to are Nembhard, LaRavia, Braun, and Ismael Kamagate.

Also says rival teams have indicated that we’re potentially looking to move up into the mid to late teens to secure Mark Williams or Walker Kessler.


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Nembhard and LaRavia are smart players and it seems like smart teams are interested in them. I'm just really skeptical about their ability to guard their positions.

That 'or' between Mark Williams and Walker Kessler is really weighing on me.

The reaction here if we move up with both of them on the board and we select Kessler would be absolutely epic.


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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#831 » by M-C-G » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:25 pm

HKPackFan wrote:Are we taking the jovker?


I think Jovic pulled out of his second workout, which who knows could have been a travel issue or whatever, but I'm blindly speculating he might have gotten a promise to shut down his visits.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#832 » by Matches Malone » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:26 pm

Sam Vecenie's latest mock from The Athletic.

24. Milwaukee Bucks
Jake LaRavia | 6-8 forward | 20 years old | Wake Forest
It would be a surprise to see LaRavia fall out of the top 35. He’s shot extremely well in pre-draft workouts and has convinced teams he can be a high-volume shooter who makes them. He tested well athletically at the combine and has the kind of confident mindset that tends to be successful at the next level among role players. The Bucks need shooters next to Giannis Antetokounmpo, and LaRavia has the kind of size and shooting intersection that would be a good fit. His range starts in the late teens.
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Post#833 » by chonestown » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:31 pm

Horts Made Me Do It: A Story in 5 Chapters
1) Kessler
2) Kessler's
3) Regrettable actions
4) Shame
5) Amends and Redemption
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#834 » by M-C-G » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:34 pm

Williams is like a DeAndre Jordan that can shoot free throws adquetly. Just not sure how that pairs on the court with Giannis at the same time, when we have an already better finisher in Giannis and we have no one that can throw an ally oop.

I'll add that Keels sure looks interesting in those Williams highlights. No idea of his stats, but man he makes some really nice passes.
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Post#835 » by Ron Swanson » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:35 pm

Of course, the one offseason where we might keep our pick and our rumored top prospects (Kessler, LaRavia, Nembhard) is basically the Top-3 of my "Do not Draft" list.

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Post#836 » by Ron Swanson » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:44 pm

Praying for Liddell or Eason, but Mark Williams might actually be an intriguing option if we're indeed looking to move up. Called it a few weeks back, but Charlotte having picks 13 and 15 makes them ideal trade partners. I challenge anyone to watch Duke highlights and not come away enamored by the thought of a legit 7-foot version of BAM! next to Giannis for the next half decade.
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Post#837 » by emunney » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:49 pm

M-C-G wrote:Williams is like a DeAndre Jordan that can shoot free throws adquetly. Just not sure how that pairs on the court with Giannis at the same time, when we have an already better finisher in Giannis and we have no one that can throw an ally oop.

I'll add that Keels sure looks interesting in those Williams highlights. No idea of his stats, but man he makes some really nice passes.


We have guys who can throw lobs, it's the more subtle/creative passes and reads we don't have. Williams and Giannis would be incredibly difficult to deal with on the glass and around the rim in general. Having two players who can play over the top of everybody isn't something that's really been thoroughly tested but my best guess is that it is very good.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#838 » by Matches Malone » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:51 pm

machu46 wrote:
emunney wrote:
machu46 wrote:Update from Givony:

Has us projected to take Liddell at 24. Other options that we’ve been connected to are Nembhard, LaRavia, Braun, and Ismael Kamagate.

Also says rival teams have indicated that we’re potentially looking to move up into the mid to late teens to secure Mark Williams or Walker Kessler.


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Nembhard and LaRavia are smart players and it seems like smart teams are interested in them. I'm just really skeptical about their ability to guard their positions.

That 'or' between Mark Williams and Walker Kessler is really weighing on me.

The reaction here if we move up with both of them on the board and we select Kessler would be absolutely epic.


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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#839 » by M-C-G » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:52 pm

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M-C-G wrote:Williams is like a DeAndre Jordan that can shoot free throws adquetly. Just not sure how that pairs on the court with Giannis at the same time, when we have an already better finisher in Giannis and we have no one that can throw an ally oop.

I'll add that Keels sure looks interesting in those Williams highlights. No idea of his stats, but man he makes some really nice passes.


We have guys who can throw lobs, it's the more subtle/creative passes and reads we don't have. .


I don't watch a lot of other games, but I'd guess we are bottom third in the league for guys that can throw lobs. For every 2 lobs where we hit Giannis massive catch radius, we get at least 1 that hits the top of the backboard or even goes over the backboard. I think a lot of those lobs get bailed out by just how good Giannis and even Brook are at gathering from tough positions and still able to finish.

I also am contacting my local politicians to outlaw the pocket pass in MKE because I can't stand the low success rate on those given the volume we try them.
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Post#840 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:54 pm

I'd be fine with Kessler if the Bucks stay put. I think the defense plays in the NBA and the foot speed thing is overblown a bit. Give him a year working with Lopez and I think he ends up a solid rotational five for the Bucks.

But I definitely wouldn't be excited over it.

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