Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

Fresh_Prince12 · Post #861 » by **Fresh_Prince12** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 10:30 pm

frye leaving phx, does this make room for ersan on the sign and trade block?

Scoops · Post #862 » by **Scoops** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:03 pm

sherm wrote:Some of you guys have gotten so used to losing that all you ever want is more and more draft picks.

We've been in the lottery 1 year...

Scoops · Post #863 » by **Scoops** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:08 pm

raferfenix wrote:If the main argument against Bledsoe is that we'd win too many games next year, couldn't we just trade Larry Sanders so that wouldn't happen?.

Ideally we trade Sanders, don't sign Bledsoe, and land another top 3 pick.

Scoops · Post #864 » by **Scoops** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:10 pm

DutchManDanFan wrote:And do you think Giannis and Jabari will enjoy a 25/30 win season?
Or do you think they have a lot more fun winning 40 games, playing with a good PG and maybe getting some play off experience?

lmao

EastSideBucksFan · Post #865 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:11 pm

Scoops wrote:
sherm wrote:Some of you guys have gotten so used to losing that all you ever want is more and more draft picks.

We've been in the lottery 1 year...

In the last 23 years we've missed the playoffs 15 times.

Of the 8 times we made the playoffs we lost in the 1st round 7 times.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #866 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:16 pm

for the guys who don't want Bledsoe......

should we pass on any great young player within a year of their first big contract too? should we not try and improve the roster by trade using this parameter? was it a good thing we didn't get Bledsoe in trade from LAC last year?

anybody who was upset we didn't give up assets in a trade for Bledsoe last year, and now don't want him for free in FA this year.... you make no sense. Bledsoe was always going to get paid. I thought the point was that we would be the ones to pay him.

LittleRooster · Post #867 » by **LittleRooster** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:18 pm

I wish we'd just make him an offer already

ampd · Post #868 » by **ampd** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:18 pm

Scoops wrote:
sherm wrote:Some of you guys have gotten so used to losing that all you ever want is more and more draft picks.

We've been in the lottery 1 year...

We've been in the lottery 7 out of the last 10 years

JoeJohnson2two · Post #869 » by **JoeJohnson2two** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:30 pm

LittleRooster wrote:I wish we'd just make him an offer already

Doesn't matter. The Suns would have til July 13th to match anyways. Might as well let the dominoes fall a bit longer with the LeBron/Bosh/Melo stuff and then go over all of your options afterwards.

Scoops · Post #870 » by **Scoops** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:40 pm

ampd wrote:
Scoops wrote:
sherm wrote:Some of you guys have gotten so used to losing that all you ever want is more and more draft picks.

We've been in the lottery 1 year...

We've been in the lottery 7 out of the last 10 years

Since the rebuild began which started with trading Jennings and letting Ellis walk we've been in the lottery once.

We have 1 top 5 pick on the roster excluding Fatty.

It would be stupid to assume we have enough talent to contend and go balls out and try to win when we're coming off the worst record in the league and will be relying on two 19 year olds to carry us.

TroyD92 · Post #871 » by **TroyD92** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:44 pm

14 million 4 years from now is going to look like nothing for a player like Bledsoe.

Baddy Chuck · Post #872 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:47 pm

Cap experts, what's the most we could offer Bledsoe right now without having made any moves?

ampd · Post #873 » by **ampd** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:53 pm

Scoops wrote:
ampd wrote:
Scoops wrote:We've been in the lottery 1 year...

We've been in the lottery 7 out of the last 10 years

Since the rebuild began which started with trading Jennings and letting Ellis walk we've been in the lottery once.

We have 1 top 5 pick on the roster excluding Fatty.

It would be stupid to assume we have enough talent to contend and go balls out and try to win when we're coming off the worst record in the league and will be relying on two 19 year olds to carry us.

Lots of straw man here.

Its not about how many high picks you have, its about how much talent you have and what you expect from it. Saying we don't have enough top 5 picks on the roster is meaningless since it doesn't address what we do have on the roster.

Noone is assuming we have enough talent, thats why we'd be targeting Bledsoe.

Insomniaac · Post #874 » by **Insomniaac** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:56 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:Cap experts, what's the most we could offer Bledsoe right now without having made any moves?

Depends what the cap is set at but I believe we'll be $12M or so under

ConoverBucks · Post #875 » by **ConoverBucks** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 11:57 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:Cap experts, what's the most we could offer Bledsoe right now without having made any moves?

The cap is projected to be at $63.2 million and if they renounce Udoh, Sessions, and Adrien then they could offer Bledsoe just about $12 million in first year salary. That number could increase to just over $13 million if they were to waive Wright.

Post #876 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:15 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:Cap experts, what's the most we could offer Bledsoe right now without having made any moves?

Back of the envelope about $52 million over four.

We will need that full $64 million IMO to make this happen unless we start at $52 and work a S&T

WRau1 · Post #877 » by **WRau1** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:19 am

Are people here expecting that if we sign Bledsoe to a max offer sheet that PHX will just let him walk, or are we expected to have to work out a S&T? In either case we're going to have to dump an asset (most likely two) just to be able to offer Bledsoe the max. If we have to work out a S&T then we're going to have to dump even more assets. If it is a S&T, how many players are we going to be losing just for the ability to max Bledsoe? So Miro or Middleton maybe both just to free up space then Henson and Knight in the S&T? Possibly a 1st rd pick too?

RRyder823 · Post #878 » by **RRyder823** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:29 am

Scoops wrote:
ampd wrote:
Scoops wrote:We've been in the lottery 1 year...

We've been in the lottery 7 out of the last 10 years

Since the rebuild began which started with trading Jennings and letting Ellis walk we've been in the lottery once.

We have 1 top 5 pick on the roster excluding Fatty.

It would be stupid to assume we have enough talent to contend and go balls out and try to win when we're coming off the worst record in the league and will be relying on two 19 year olds to carry us.

Considering if there was a redraft for last year Giannis very possibly goes #1. If not he definatly doesn't fall out of the top 5. So I'd say if your looking at it like that we have 2 top 5 pick type talents. Also I'm pretty sure the Spurs don't have an assortment of talent picked in the top5 of the draft outside of Duncan. Geeze it seems to me that you think if the guy isn't acquired for top 5 pick then he has no chance at being great... It's about talent.... I don't really care where we get it from

RRyder823 · Post #879 » by **RRyder823** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:35 am

WRau1 wrote:Are people here expecting that if we sign Bledsoe to a max offer sheet that PHX will just let him walk, or are we expected to have to work out a S&T? In either case we're going to have to dump an asset (most likely two) just to be able to offer Bledsoe the max. If we have to work out a S&T then we're going to have to dump even more assets. If it is a S&T, how many players are we going to be losing just for the ability to max Bledsoe? So Miro or Middleton maybe both just to free up space then Henson and Knight in the S&T? Possibly a 1st rd pick too?

I a perfect world I think ideally the S&T would be Knight/Ersan for Bledsoe... Might have to throw a sweetner in on it with Knights contract coming up and the year Ersan's coming off.... Would try keep Henson out of it. I still like his ability to come in off the bench backing up the PF and C as a 6th man type

Baddy Chuck · Post #880 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 12:39 am

Knight/Ersan would be a home run.