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[Perseus1966]

I was not upset when we let PJ go. I thought he is done.

I was wrong. We made mistake. Big one.

Bucks problem was that we suck in 3s not the defense.
if you need a mistake there is a name Donte .

But, because we didn't re-sign PJ, it forced us to trade Donte for Ibaka.

Keep PJ, and you likely get to keep Donte. And with that, we're playing the Heat tonight.

Nothing to do with Pj ,it was for Lopez
and suppose it was for Pj how would help us he didnt play ia single minute.
its different in mirotic case ,mirotic played and failed ,ibaka didnt play at all.

[MickeyDavis]

Herro out tonight

[BUCKnation]

now tbf, Wes was holding down Tatum to similar lines early in our series too. I do miss PJ for the other stuff though and we sorely missed a wing who could guard in space that series with no Khris.

[th87]

And we can bet that Giannis is watching all this closely. Billionaires/Horst are embarrassing themselves with the last few moves.

Horst has done a fantastic job. But for the past four years the title has been won (or lost) by moves made by teams at the trade deadline. Horst (and Bud and Lasry) just didn't make good moves this past year, now that we have the season in hindsight.

Other than adding Grayson (a move that I like considering fit and acquisition cost) you would probably have to go back to PJ Tucker at the 21 trade deadline to highlight a good move that Horst made. I'm not trashing the guy, he brought us a title, but you can't go 14 months in a row with only one solid move and expect to win a title.

To be fair, Portis, Allen, Wes, and Carter were good ones. Tucker (probably not his fault), Ojeleye, Hill, and DDV were bad enough to offset that however.

[th87]

Idk how in depth critical Giannis gets with this front office stuff. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s just chilling right now, not really watching any of the games, and just blames himself and Khris being out for the series turning out the way it did.

That said, they definitely **** up with PJ and if they lose Bobby too with no viable replacement, then I’d be concerned.

Think Giannis follows basketball enough to notice that a guy who helped him win a title is now (possibly) about to help another team win a title.

The optics are sufficiently bad to even a casual observer.

[paulpressey25]

now tbf, Wes was holding down Tatum to similar lines early in our series too. I do miss PJ for the other stuff though and we sorely missed a wing who could guard in space that series with no Khris.

PJ then moves over to small ball center and beats up Horford. No way Al shoots 37-42 or whatever in games 3-4 with PJ on him.

[sidney lanier]

A thought for the day from the New York Times obituary for Roger Angell, the great baseball writer, who died this weekend at 101.

“It is foolish and childish, on the face of it, to affiliate ourselves with anything so insignificant and patently contrived and commercially exploitative as a professional sports team,” he wrote in his book “Five Seasons” (1977). “What is left out of this calculation, it seems to me, is the business of caring — caring deeply and passionately, really caring — which is a capacity or an emotion that has almost gone out of our lives.”

Thanks, Bucks, for enabling us all -- even those of us who express our love through repeated criticism -- to care.

[Dick Tate]

It's kinda funny seeing Giannis being dragged into the "I miss PJ" reunion tour. He seems like more of a here & now kind of guy. Like wtf is management going to do with Allen & Hill moving forward.

[Licensed to Il]

Horst has done a fantastic job. But for the past four years the title has been won (or lost) by moves made by teams at the trade deadline. Horst (and Bud and Lasry) just didn't make good moves this past year, now that we have the season in hindsight.

Other than adding Grayson (a move that I like considering fit and acquisition cost) you would probably have to go back to PJ Tucker at the 21 trade deadline to highlight a good move that Horst made. I'm not trashing the guy, he brought us a title, but you can't go 14 months in a row with only one solid move and expect to win a title.

To be fair, Portis, Allen, Wes, and Carter were good ones. Tucker (probably not his fault), Ojeleye, Hill, and DDV were bad enough to offset that however.

Yeah, that's fair. Resigning Portis for that deal was very good, Wes played good minutes for us, the Carter pickup gave us a boost the final month or so. I would have to classify those moves as good. I think we needed DDV in the playoff rotation for us, or bringing us back a guy who was in the playoff rotation. That is really the thing that killed us. Did Ibalka even play in the playoffs? Can't remember.

I thought when we won the title I'd never be dissapointed in the Bucks again. But being so close to a second, and getting outplayed and outcoached by what I view as a lesser team hurt real bad.

[machu46]

And we can bet that Giannis is watching all this closely. Billionaires/Horst are embarrassing themselves with the last few moves.

Horst has done a fantastic job. But for the past four years the title has been won (or lost) by moves made by teams at the trade deadline. Horst (and Bud and Lasry) just didn't make good moves this past year, now that we have the season in hindsight.

Just going off the top of my head:

Portis - I think pretty undeniably a good signing considering he really should have gotten more money

Grayson - I preferred keeping the pick for Herb, but I think Grayson filled in nicely almost the whole year. Unfortunately he crashed and burned in our last series but it happens with role players here and there.

Ibaka - I don’t think Donte swings the Celtics series and I think getting what you could for him was probably the right move but this was undeniably a bad trade in retrospect (and wasn’t good in the moment either IMO).

I also disliked the Hill, Hood, and Semi signings and the latter two were obvious a complete disaster while Hill was fine when he played for the most part but struggled to say the least against Boston and just wasn’t a good signing even in the moment IMO.


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[BUCKnation]

now tbf, Wes was holding down Tatum to similar lines early in our series too. I do miss PJ for the other stuff though and we sorely missed a wing who could guard in space that series with no Khris.

PJ then moves over to small ball center and beats up Horford. No way Al shoots 37-42 or whatever in games 3-4 with PJ on him.

Yeah, once Khris went down, we lost a lot of defensive versatility due to the lack of wings. He could've taken freed up Wes to take Jaylen too or allowed us to at least put a body on Grant Williams when they went small.

[buckboy]

I was not upset when we let PJ go. I thought he is done.

I was wrong. We made mistake. Big one.

Same. Assuming we would've gotten this PJ, which I'd say we probably would have.

[MickeyDavis]

The Semi and Hood signings were fine, you take a gamble and move on if they don't work out. Aging Hill for 2 years though... who were we bidding against? Probably no one. Should have been a one year deal or take a hike George.

[JayMKE]

Hill/Allen getting torched guarding Tatum or Brown 1 on 1 should have never been a surprise, Bud didn’t put them in a position to succeed. What annoyed me the most about Hill particularly was he pushed the better playing Carter out of the rotation entirely. I thought we’d use Ibaka more and that he could have been body we saw out there against Boston, Bud disagrees.

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[brettski]

The Semi and Hood signings were fine, you take a gamble and move on if they don't work out. Aging Hill for 2 years though... who were we bidding against? Probably no one. Should have been a one year deal or take a hike George.

Possibly bidding against his retirement i.e. the small market tax?

[paulpressey25]

Go Heat.

[drew881]

Still not sure PJ would have had a huge effect on the Boston series. Shot release isn’t quick and he’d be closed out on, just like our other guys. Even with PJ, we still lack the dribble penetration guys outside of Giannis that could be the can opener for the D.

On defense, does PJ do better than Wes on Tatum? I doubt it. He was making shots with all kinds of hands in his face.

On leaderships/intangibles, sure we were missing more of that.

[Plossum]

PJ would’ve made us better and we still prob would’ve lost to the Celts. Both can be true.