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Re: Bledsoe to the Bucks For Monroe/#1 - POLL ADDED 

Post#941 » by freewhitemoon » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:13 pm

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2017/11/07/q-a-bucks-gm-jon-horst-discusses-acquisition-eric-bledsoe/842294001/?hootPostID=3b7ad9b98cc60b9468343c89b1ee8259

Also, the Bucks DNA thing we’ve talked about is real. He is a high-character guy, highly talented, he has positional versatility, he can play on the ball and off the ball and he’s got great toughness.”


Nvm, he's bound to fail
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Post#942 » by Ayt » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:21 pm

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thonnisbeastley wrote:Monroe will be missed, people don't give him enough credit for the player he turned himself into last season after an underwhelming first year in Milwaukee. He was a huge reason for our success. Hoping Bledsoe opens up the offense for everyone. There should be a ton of open looks for Snell and Middleton now. Just need to find a defensive minded center that can rebound the ball. I'd package Jabari, Delly, Henson, Telly or Vaughn in some combination for whatever big we could get.


For whatever reason he was awful this year, dont think we will miss him on the court one bit.


We know why. He was hurt.
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Post#943 » by dc634 » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:22 pm

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old skool wrote:Monroe is caught in a changing NBA. It's not that he is a bad player, but that he has a skill set that is no longer in vogue.


I think Monroes problem is that he only has half the skillset of an oldschool big: he can get you some buckets and some boards but he can't jump, he can't protect the rim, he can't catch a lob, can't defend the PnR.


Need to add the most important thing. He can't convert bunnies. Part of that ties into the fact he can't jump to slam the ball.

Had Monroe made 2 more bunnies per game on missed attempts he'd still be here IMO. And starting.


If that happened he would have shot 75.7% from the field last year and 68.9% the year before, so yeah, he'd be starting but this board over-exaggerates how prone Moose was to missing easy shots.
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Post#944 » by ackypoo » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:39 pm

glad monroe is gone. hes a dinosaur. the only problem i see at the moment is that people still seem to think we need a center.

we have one.

his name is giannis antetokounmpo.
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Post#945 » by imithanos » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:42 pm

Hopefully Kidd benches Brogdon and not Snell. Snell fits better with Giannis, where Brogdon is more independent and better player.
Snell seems also more insecure and benching him would probably influence his game.
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Post#946 » by humanrefutation » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:52 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:Start Bledsoe/Brogdon/Snell/Middleton/Giannis.

Can't rebound the ball anyways, run our version of a death lineup.


I don't think we need to start with that lineup, but I'd like us to run that group out there for at least 10-15 minutes a game and see if our lack of interior muscle **** us over, because otherwise, that lineup is really hard to defend.
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Post#947 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:55 pm

FWIW Paschke on the postgame show with Sparky felt Bledsoe would start and play big minutes. Brogdon would come off the bench.
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Post#948 » by ackypoo » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:00 pm

imithanos wrote:Hopefully Kidd benches Brogdon and not Snell. Snell fits better with Giannis, where Brogdon is more independent and better player.
Snell seems also more insecure and benching him would probably influence his game.

hopefully he moves giannis to center.

plays lineups of bledsoe/brogdon/snell/middleton/giannis until jabari gets back, and then moves either bledsoe/brogdon or middleton out of the starting lineup and to the bench. or leaves jabari as the bench player. that works too.
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Post#949 » by mcfromage » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:01 pm

freewhitemoon wrote:http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2017/11/07/q-a-bucks-gm-jon-horst-discusses-acquisition-eric-bledsoe/842294001/?hootPostID=3b7ad9b98cc60b9468343c89b1ee8259

Also, the Bucks DNA thing we’ve talked about is real. He is a high-character guy, highly talented, he has positional versatility, he can play on the ball and off the ball and he’s got great toughness.”


Nvm, he's bound to fail


I thought Horst acquitted himself pretty well in that interview all things considered.
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Post#950 » by LUKE23 » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:07 pm

We should be running primarily small ball lineups at this point. Our centers are not helping us defensively or on the glass, so put offensive players in their place. Obviously, we need to give Bolomboy a look as well. Led NCAA in rebounding a few years back I think.
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Post#951 » by buckboy » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:09 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:
His career FG is 44%. So yes he theoretically will shoot better than 40% on the Bucks. I just see him as more a chucker here in Kidd's offense and think people will get frustrated with that aspect of his game.

Where I think people will be pleasantly surprised is his passing. He does a lot of creating that we haven't seen around these parts in awhile.


Eh, disagree. Bledsoe has never been what I would classify as a chucker and I don't suddenly see him becoming one just because he's changing scenery.

Under any and all circumstances he should be canned


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Post#952 » by buckboy » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:13 pm

ackypoo wrote:glad monroe is gone. hes a dinosaur. the only problem i see at the moment is that people still seem to think we need a center.

we have one.

his name is giannis antetokounmpo.


True, but again, there will be problems with him playing center full-time. 20 minutes a game? Sure. But we need a man-sized center on this roster.
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Post#953 » by Perishable517 » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:17 pm

I personally would like to see Bledsoe start by being the 6th man. A dynamic guy who lead the second unit. Then, at the end of games, him, Brog, Midds, Giannis and Snell.
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Post#954 » by randy84 » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:17 pm

If the concern is scoring off the bench, then get rid of Liggins and bring back Gerald Green. He could play the "Beasley" role off the bench.
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Post#955 » by ackypoo » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:22 pm

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ackypoo wrote:glad monroe is gone. hes a dinosaur. the only problem i see at the moment is that people still seem to think we need a center.

we have one.

his name is giannis antetokounmpo.


True, but again, there will be problems with him playing center full-time. 20 minutes a game? Sure. But we need a man-sized center on this roster.

That's the exact line of thinking I take issue with.

Giannis is 7' and strong as hell. The lack of physicality in the NBA these days is increasing. Monroe is one of the few guys I'd take issue with him guarding because I'd be concerned about foul trouble. But there are no back to the basket centers left.

The only argument not to play Giannis at center would be due to his fantastic defense. But I see that as moot too, because he can play off ball a lot more in a center role which is great for our defense too. At least it's a major upgrade over Henson and Thon.
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Post#956 » by Triple 7 » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:26 pm

Perishable517 wrote:I personally would like to see Bledsoe start by being the 6th man. A dynamic guy who lead the second unit. Then, at the end of games, him, Brog, Midds, Giannis and Snell.


The Bucks need a starter who can challenge the fast, athletic PGs in the league. Bledsoe is that guy.
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Post#957 » by buckboy » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:32 pm

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ackypoo wrote:glad monroe is gone. hes a dinosaur. the only problem i see at the moment is that people still seem to think we need a center.

we have one.

his name is giannis antetokounmpo.


True, but again, there will be problems with him playing center full-time. 20 minutes a game? Sure. But we need a man-sized center on this roster.

That's the exact line of thinking I take issue with.

Giannis is 7' and strong as hell. The lack of physicality in the NBA these days is increasing. Monroe is one of the few guys I'd take issue with him guarding because I'd be concerned about foul trouble. But there are no back to the basket centers left.

The only argument not to play Giannis at center would be due to his fantastic defense. But I see that as moot too, because he can play off ball a lot more in a center role which is great for our defense too. At least it's a major upgrade over Henson and Thon.


There's a ton of problems with center Giannis full-time. You obviously disagree with what I consider a big one. Another big one is this team getting absolutely destroyed on the boards. You take away the advantage of having a complete freak at the 4 by not having a 5. I personally think this team is much better served having a Dedmon-type 5 on the floor with Giannis than 4 wings. We'll see I suppose.
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Post#958 » by ReginaldDwight » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:33 pm

Giannis cant play center because he gets into foul trouble
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Post#959 » by sidney lanier » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:35 pm

mcfromage wrote:
freewhitemoon wrote:http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nba/bucks/2017/11/07/q-a-bucks-gm-jon-horst-discusses-acquisition-eric-bledsoe/842294001/?hootPostID=3b7ad9b98cc60b9468343c89b1ee8259

Also, the Bucks DNA thing we’ve talked about is real. He is a high-character guy, highly talented, he has positional versatility, he can play on the ball and off the ball and he’s got great toughness.”


Nvm, he's bound to fail


I thought Horst acquitted himself pretty well in that interview all things considered.


Me too. There's always a bit of cognitive dissonance here at RealGM when, amid all the FedEx jokes and "I could do that job better than that guy" adolescent bravado you take a minute and notice how carefully a guy like Horst does his job, how there's a process in place, and how multiple outcomes and scenarios are assessed, as they are in any business.

The advantage us pretend RealGMs have is we can just spitball ideas without putting them in context and then puff our chests out about what good ideas we have. Nice to see Horst approaches personnel moves more professionally than that. He looks to be the real thing in more ways than one.
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Post#960 » by freewhitemoon » Wed Nov 8, 2017 4:35 pm

LUKE23 wrote:We should be running primarily small ball lineups at this point. Our centers are not helping us defensively or on the glass, so put offensive players in their place. Obviously, we need to give Bolomboy a look as well. Led NCAA in rebounding a few years back I think.


imagine if we had John Collins right now instead of Wilson. wont help our defense but could be a nasty small ball lineup with better rebounding

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