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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#701 » by Jimmmycrackcorn » Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:42 pm

i just looked at game 6 of the eastern conference finals again.....

fred van vleet had an ORtg in that game of 222


i have never seen a number that high
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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#704 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:12 pm

I was just reading an analysis in the Athletic about clutch shots (shots taken in the last 30 seconds that would tie or take the lead). The league average is only 29.8%. They go over who should and who shouldn't take the shot (Giannis is best at 38.8%, followed by Bledsoe and Lopez). It's a pay site so I can't post the article but here's the snippet about Middleton

Whatever you do, don’t go to Middleton. That’s a tricky thing to say about a guy they just gave $170 million-plus to, but he has been pretty terrible in these situations. To be fair, he went 1-of-2 last season when the Bucks called on him. Overall for the past nine seasons, Middleton has gone 5-of-28 in hero moments. That’s a 17.8 percent success rate. Just let someone else do it and use Middleton as a decoy.
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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#705 » by DavidDunn21 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:13 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:I was just reading an analysis in the Athletic about clutch shots (shots taken in the last 30 seconds that would tie or take the lead). The league average is only 29.8%. They go over who should and who shouldn't take the shot (Giannis is best at 38.8%, followed by Bledsoe and Lopez). It's a pay site so I can post the article but here's the snippet about Middleton

Whatever you do, don’t go to Middleton. That’s a tricky thing to say about a guy they just gave $170 million-plus to, but he has been pretty terrible in these situations. To be fair, he went 1-of-2 last season when the Bucks called on him. Overall for the past nine seasons, Middleton has gone 5-of-28 in hero moments. That’s a 17.8 percent success rate. Just let someone else do it and use Middleton as a decoy.
And that doesn't even cover his pump faking with a second left against the Suns, his passing to Bledsoe away from the hoop on a designed play for him with 1.5 against the Hornets, his airball and turnover in 2017 against the Raptors or other plays I can't recall.

I don't even think he's that bad in the clutch, but just as with all other aspects of Middleton's game, you never know what you're going to get

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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#706 » by Jimmmycrackcorn » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:45 pm

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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#707 » by BroncoBuck » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:47 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:I was just reading an analysis in the Athletic about clutch shots (shots taken in the last 30 seconds that would tie or take the lead). The league average is only 29.8%. They go over who should and who shouldn't take the shot (Giannis is best at 38.8%, followed by Bledsoe and Lopez). It's a pay site so I can't post the article but here's the snippet about Middleton

Whatever you do, don’t go to Middleton. That’s a tricky thing to say about a guy they just gave $170 million-plus to, but he has been pretty terrible in these situations. To be fair, he went 1-of-2 last season when the Bucks called on him. Overall for the past nine seasons, Middleton has gone 5-of-28 in hero moments. That’s a 17.8 percent success rate. Just let someone else do it and use Middleton as a decoy.


Context matters.

How many of those 28 were three point shots? How many of those were threes during the Kidd era where Midds was often the only guy on the floor who could even shoot a three. Are free throws accounted for? If so, are they weighted? Hell, how many were Jason Kidd inbounds plays that we all loved so much.

The clutch stats are such a ridiculous arbitrary stat. I don’t even understand their data cutoff, Middleton hasn’t even been in the league 9 seasons. Are they including college?
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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#708 » by Jimmmycrackcorn » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:50 pm

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You must’ve skipped out on game 4 where he was the only guy on the team who could do anything. The Middleton game happened and nobody else (Giannis included after the first quarter) showed up and the Bucks were blown out. That was the game where the Raps bench dropped 50 or whatever.

picking one game in a six game series doesn't exactly prove any point
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Post#709 » by Jimmmycrackcorn » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:56 pm

i'm solidly in the:

Khris was severely overpaid, but the Bucks had no choice after years and years of wasting draft picks and assets...and i pray he finds a new level that makes it not such a terrible pill to swallow camp
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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#710 » by truly » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:04 pm

Yeah Midds was getting shafted during the Kidd era.
Everyone knew we would go to him in those situations and our 2? plays were scouted by every team.Remember Draymond mocking us for them?
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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#711 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:10 pm

Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:
BroncoBuck wrote:
You must’ve skipped out on game 4 where he was the only guy on the team who could do anything. The Middleton game happened and nobody else (Giannis included after the first quarter) showed up and the Bucks were blown out. That was the game where the Raps bench dropped 50 or whatever.

picking one game in a six game series doesn't exactly prove any point


Neither does anything else from such a small sample of games.
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Post#712 » by DrWood » Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:37 am

MickeyDavis wrote:I was just reading an analysis in the Athletic about clutch shots (shots taken in the last 30 seconds that would tie or take the lead). The league average is only 29.8%. They go over who should and who shouldn't take the shot (Giannis is best at 38.8%, followed by Bledsoe and Lopez). It's a pay site so I can't post the article but here's the snippet about Middleton

Whatever you do, don’t go to Middleton. That’s a tricky thing to say about a guy they just gave $170 million-plus to, but he has been pretty terrible in these situations. To be fair, he went 1-of-2 last season when the Bucks called on him. Overall for the past nine seasons, Middleton has gone 5-of-28 in hero moments. That’s a 17.8 percent success rate. Just let someone else do it and use Middleton as a decoy.

I'd suggest the amount of credence to give a 28 shot sample is approximately zero.
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Post#713 » by Chuck Diesel » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:58 am

The small sample size stuff kills me. The six most important games of the season should be weighted as such.
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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#714 » by emunney » Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:09 am

Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:i just looked at game 6 of the eastern conference finals again.....

fred van vleet had an ORtg in that game of 222


i have never seen a number that high


I'm about to blow your mind

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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#715 » by SickMother » Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:41 am

Looking like Midds made the fatal mistake of letting his body fat % get too low.

Sometime all that muscle hinders a guy's shooting mechanics.
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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#717 » by crkone » Tue Sep 3, 2019 2:51 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:I was just reading an analysis in the Athletic about clutch shots (shots taken in the last 30 seconds that would tie or take the lead). The league average is only 29.8%. They go over who should and who shouldn't take the shot (Giannis is best at 38.8%, followed by Bledsoe and Lopez). It's a pay site so I can't post the article but here's the snippet about Middleton

Whatever you do, don’t go to Middleton. That’s a tricky thing to say about a guy they just gave $170 million-plus to, but he has been pretty terrible in these situations. To be fair, he went 1-of-2 last season when the Bucks called on him. Overall for the past nine seasons, Middleton has gone 5-of-28 in hero moments. That’s a 17.8 percent success rate. Just let someone else do it and use Middleton as a decoy.

I'd suggest the amount of credence to give a 28 shot sample is approximately zero.


At least he's okay at clutch FTs.

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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#718 » by chonestown » Tue Sep 3, 2019 3:16 pm

emunney wrote:
Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:i just looked at game 6 of the eastern conference finals again.....

fred van vleet had an ORtg in that game of 222


i have never seen a number that high


I'm about to blow your mind

223


224 is the highest number, fahgetaboutit
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Re: Woj: Bucks to Re-Sign Khris Middleton to a 5 year, $178M Contract 

Post#719 » by Clay Davis » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:17 am

Who took him on as a defensive assignment in the Raps series? I feel like the Raptors were able to throw a better and more consistent set of wings at him than he had ever had to play against up until this point.

I think he's barely a below average max.. as a small market team, he's the type of guy the Bucks would have to settle for. He's pretty old, sadly, but he is a high character guy and a bit of a gym rat. He's good for the culture and can still improve/clean up his game (which is pretty good, despite his play off numbers. I think that the Raptors had a really stupid amount of defenders to throw at him. He struggled to score against them but so did Vucevic, Embiid, and Ben Simmons, all max contract worthy players (debate able with Vuc lol).

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Post#720 » by RiotPunch » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:42 am

Clay Davis wrote:Who took him on as a defensive assignment in the Raps series? I feel like the Raptors were able to throw a better and more consistent set of wings at him than he had ever had to play against up until this point.

I think he's barely a below average max.. as a small market team, he's the type of guy the Bucks would have to settle for. He's pretty old, sadly, but he is a high character guy and a bit of a gym rat. He's good for the culture and can still improve/clean up his game (which is pretty good, despite his play off numbers. I think that the Raptors had a really stupid amount of defenders to throw at him. He struggled to score against them but so did Vucevic, Embiid, and Ben Simmons, all max contract worthy players (debate able with Vuc lol).

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