Kohl turns down trade?

[James_Dolan]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... dolph.html

Also, a league source told The News that the Bucks' owner, Milwaukee Sen.Herb Kohl, yesterday rejected a trade that would have sent Randolph and either Fred Jones or Jared Jeffries to Milwaukee for a package including Bobby Simmons, Charlie Bell and Dan Gadzuric, who all have long-term contracts.

Thank you Kohl. Randolph blows but c'mon. That's just terrible. I hope nothing happens between these 2 teams and I expect the feeling to be mutual.

[IrishRainbow]

I'm not huge on Randolph's attitude or contract...but you get to dump 3 signing mistakes at once? I also think that JJ still has yet to show what he's really capable of....nothing special, but could be solid in the right position. I'm doin' it in a second.

[IrishRainbow]

I'd also like to know what the talks revolved around with Marbury earlier in the season...

[blkout]

I actually like Jones and Jeffries, but not at the expense of taking Zach "Midget Killer" Randolph... or giving up anything remotely valuable.

[LISTEN2JAZZ]

If Kohl is vetoing trades that involve only our horrible garbage contracts, then Harris really needs to resign. I would never let an employer treat me like that; has the man no shame?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

So we should not consolidate 3 non assets for Jeffries.... a player who plays D, has size and would fit in well with all our other gunners.

Randolph is an asset. He could backfire or grow up. Often players such as he mature after being moved around and realizing that time is running out on their careers. Other times they simply wash out.

Hes worth the risk. Were giving up nothing, and Randolph would still have some value if he showed ANY stability here.

Just absolutely horrendous not to make this trade. What have we got to lose here?

[paulpressey25]

Randolph is a cancer with a massive, massive contract......and he plays Yi's position.......

It's not worth it to add him to this team at any price.....

[DH34Phan]

Randolph is a cancer with a massive, massive contract......and he plays Yi's position.......

It's not worth it to add him to this team at any price.....

He gets 17/10 in 33 minutes a game.

Give Yi 15 backup minutes at PF, and give him a few at SF.

Simmons and Gadzuric, while maybe not cancers (maybe they are?), have massive, massive contracts and provide nothing on the court.

A Bogut/Randolph front line would be very good, IMO.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

I'm not huge on Randolph's attitude or contract...but you get to dump 3 signing mistakes at once? I also think that JJ still has yet to show what he's really capable of....nothing special, but could be solid in the right position. I'm doin' it in a second.

Just say no to Zach Randolph.
We really wouldn't "get to dump 3 signing mistakes" either.
After this season, Randolph is still owed $48 mil over the next 3 seasons.
Right now we owe Simmons, Gadzuric, and Bell a combined $51.53666 mil over those 3 seasons. So we're not really dumping that money, we would just be converting it into one gigantic sack of crap, Zach Randolph, with a $3.53666 mil savings.

And beyond that, we owe Bell another $4.09992 mil for the last year of his contract. Sound good? Now you're thinking that when you add that to the other savings, we've just saved ourselves a total of $7.63658 mil. Great for us, right? Not really. We would also be taking on either $19.3998 mil for Jared Jeffries or $3.5 mil for Fred Jones. Or both.

So we'd either be saving only $4.13658 mil OR we'd be taking on an extra $11.76322 mil or an extra $15.26322 mil.

This is NOT a good deal for the Bucks financially, therefore.

Zach Randolph has extreme negative value. He is really that bad for a team. Look at what Portland gave him away for just to get rid of that sorry excuse for an NBA player. And now look at what the Knicks are proposing to take back just to get him the hell off of their team. They're so desperate to dump him that they've not only given up demanding that they get Villanueva back in return, but they've agreed to take back Simmons AND Gadzuric AND Bell, three contracts which are perceived very negatively. Those contracts are even worse once they would be acquired by the Knicks because both Simmons and Bell have full 15% trade kickers. Yet the Knicks still would want to do that trade.

It is the Knicks that are proposing these trades that Kohl keeps rejecting. They're desperate to get rid of Zach Randolph. Desperate.
I cannot believe that people are willing to put all of that aside and want to acquire Randolph. That is just baffling to me.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

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He gets 17/10 in 33 minutes a game.

17/10 in 33 minutes for Randolph, but consider how he gets them (black hole on offense that causes problems for the team, zero defense).

This season we are getting 17.3/8.7 in 56.6 minutes from Bell, Simmons, and Gadz (and that's factoring in the atrocious start to the season Bell had and the slow start Simmons got off to) but those three actually play defense and don't have the kind of negative team value that Randolph has.

[blkout]

He also shoots 46% eFG and has a usage rate of 25... Michael Redd's is 25.9

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

This argument has all to do with whether we think Randolph is garbage.... a "black hole".

But when was the last time we had a guy on this team that averaged 10 reb a game?

I feel like this is a situation similar to the Patterson acquisition. You are either looking to acquire talented guys and hope it jives.... or your looking to acquire guys.

I give up the guys for the talented guy. If the Knicks are desperate they replace Jones, or Jeffries, with Balkman. Balkman is the guy I want in this deal. And Id even include CV to make it happen. The original deal moving CV appeals to me more.

Then we keep Bell. Im still kinda hopeful with him.

But Simmons and Gads for Randolph is a nobrainer, IMO. CV for Balkman "fits" what we need..... even if we give up a little more talent in the deal.

[DH34Phan]

NY Knicks are desperate to dump Randolph because they are convinced Eddy Curry is worth building around.

We aren't going to be able to get FAs worth a damn to come here anyway, so if we are trading bad contracts for a guy with a bad contract that can actually produce, I would do it.

Having a Randolph/Bogut front court that demands 30 shots a game will help turn us away from the chucking back court offense, too.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Bogut is a facilitator... hed turn Randolph into an allstar and keep him happy. Curry and Randolph in the same frontcourt is the problem.

[DH34Phan]

Bogut is a facilitator... hed turn Randolph into an allstar and keep him happy. Curry and Randolph in the same frontcourt is the problem.

I agree. Everything I hear when it comes to Randolph is if he had a center that could defend he would be in a great situation.

Bogut's defense and passing would help Randolph, and the fact Bogut can score is just icing on the cake.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

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I agree. Everything I hear when it comes to Randolph is if he had a center that could defend he would be in a great situation.

Joel Przybilla's defense in Portland was pretty good when Randolph was there and Greg Oden is expected to be a very good defensive center. Portland still got rid of Randolph.

Kevin Pritchard pulled a fast one on Isiah Thomas, which should surprise no one.
Are we going to let Isiah Thomas turn around and pull a fast one on us? I suppose that shouldn't shock anyone at this point either, but it would be very depressing.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

A beefy postup PF with a little range.... 10+ reb a game. Bogut actually being able to crash the lane after the double on Randolph comes.. easy buckets to keep him happy. Screw this Im getting mad they wont do it.

The problem is that were still convinced the chuckoholic backcourt is the strength of the team. The only reason it doesnt work is because of our guards.

Even with this frontcourt... wed be a gaurd oriented team. THAT is the problem. I dont make the deal if we keep Mo. But if we get a pass first defensive oriented PG teamed with Redd, this frontcourt would rock balls.... rebound like crazy. Wed actually maybe have two guys who could average doubledoubles in the frontcourt. THAT is appealing.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

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Joel Przybilla's defense in Portland was pretty good when Randolph was there and Greg Oden is expected to be a very good defensive center. Portland still got rid of Randolph.

Kevin Pritchard pulled a fast one on Isiah Thomas, which should surprise no one.
Are we going to let Isiah Thomas turn around and pull a fast one on us? I suppose that shouldn't shock anyone at this point either, but it would be very depressing.

Pryzybilla is a stiff. He cant pass or score. The ball doesnt move through him.

Randolph was moved because of his attitude. And Isaih was applauded for getting the better end of the deal...... just half a season ago. The problem is the Knicks and Curry.

Randolph is a talent and were buying low.... REAL low. Theres no risk here. Truly... we may a better team if most games the players were giving up never even saw the court.

[Ruzious]

I'm not huge on Randolph's attitude or contract...but you get to dump 3 signing mistakes at once? I also think that JJ still has yet to show what he's really capable of....nothing special, but could be solid in the right position. I'm doin' it in a second.

How is it better to take on 2 bigger mistakes?

Randolph is not some young guy who's going to have an epiphany and suddenly realize that winning is more important than him putting up points. At some point, you gotta figure out there's a reason why his teams always under-achieve and get better after he leaves. And Jared Jeffries may be the softest 6'11 player in the Association. As a Zards fan, he drove me nuts for years. He's a heckuva nice guy, unselfish, says the right things, talented and skilled, but just not physical tough enough.

[DH34Phan]

Screw this Im getting mad they wont do it.