We Could Have Had Either

[lewdog]

We have seen in an endless amount of games that Love and Jefferson did not really fit well together.

A season and a half with Rambis. Nice sample size.

Part of me wants to agree, but a lot of me feels like defensively they just wouldn't work out.

I have faith that Adelman would have made it work. We'll (probably) never know.

[the_bruce]

I mean this is probably not the right time for this but Kahns dismal draft record? you have seen the other 29 GMs right? I count 2 mistakes Kahns has made: Flynn and Wes Johnson.
Flynn was on everyone's board and he netted us Rubio on the same night.
(if you want to mention his trade of Ty Lawson, you have to mention a whole mess of GMs neglected to even DRAFT Ty, so that seems like a league wide boner there)

Wes Johnson came down to Wes or Cousins, while Wes hasn't panned out I'm still ok with NOT having Cousins attitude on this team.

if anything I'm pretty happy with what Kahn has done with the roster he inherited.

In 2009 After jennings at #10...

NJN - Had harris who was playing very well atthe time
CHA - Just drafted DJ the season before I think
IND - Had major need at PF
PHX - Nash
DET - Stuckey had been playing well at the time, Daye was clearly best fit
CHI - Rose
PHI - Jrue great pick for them was slated to go very early in most mocks until later in the season

Ty fell because no teams really needed a pg in that draft range. At draft time it was very apparent through team needs that one of the following PG's would fall to the wolves at 18. All guys most would have rather had then flynn by quite a margin even back then...

Teague, Holiday, Lawson, Jennings.

Lawson was a great prospect, teague a fantastic multidimensional scorer. Jennings may have fallen as the rumor was a commitment to flynn with MIL at #10. Holiday a highly touted freshman,

There was zero reason to draft back to back PG's at 5 or 6 when this is considered. They could have picked up Curry and traded back with NYK or whoever for pick(hill/derozan/clark) + asset.

Maybe the flynn + Johnson for Tyreke deal was real and they just couldnt pull it through, but all I care about is actual results. It was a wasted pick. Curry was the clear cut choice after #5, I didn't like it then and I don't like it now.

In 2010...

I still would have taken cousins. I'm off and on about Wes even then, He could turn out really good, but still Cousins had a great post game, thrived in transition, and can pass.clear BPA. I can accept the fact that at the time we had love, al, and I think beas was just aquired. also lots of people had monroe above johnson too. But he was clear bpa and Im sure several teams would have been willing to trade up. That doesn't even take into account the wolves picking up lazar, baffling. Or trading the #16 for limited minutes of Webster when it was known how badly he hurt his back. I even look past that, its no biggie and I like webster more than future HOF LuKE BaBbItZ. Oh and while Flynn looked passable his first season, if the rumor was true that IND offered a redo with #10(george) for him. Thats just another mistake. I dont even think flynn is that bad, he just needs to run pnr all day long.But whatever!

The only thing the franchise made the right decision on in the past 7 drafts that wasnt a no brainer(rubio\williams)... was mayo for love.

Then lets tie up ~4m-8m a season in various pgs. Sessions, luke, and barae.

asjdakjshdakjh bleh

[Klomp]

I laugh at those who use "no-brainer picks" to discredit Kahn. In 2005, there was a no-brainer pick at #2 when the Atlanta Hawks picked Chris P...I mean, Marvin Williams. GMs still have to make the pick.

[weasel]

The hiring of Rambis nullifies any argument between Flynn and Curry with that #6 pick. There is NO WAY anyone can say that Rambis would not have choked the life out of Curry too. If there is any talk about Kahn's mistakes, it should simply be:

Hiring Rambis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All trades and draft picks.

[Esohny]

The hiring of Rambis nullifies any argument between Flynn and Curry with that #6 pick. There is NO WAY anyone can say that Rambis would not have choked the life out of Curry too. If there is any talk about Kahn's mistakes, it should simply be:

Hiring Rambis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All trades and draft picks.

How is there no way anyone can say that? Kevin Love flourished despite Rambis, so there's one example. Curry was/is just a good ball player, Flynn was/is not a very good ball player.

[weasel]

The hiring of Rambis nullifies any argument between Flynn and Curry with that #6 pick. There is NO WAY anyone can say that Rambis would not have choked the life out of Curry too. If there is any talk about Kahn's mistakes, it should simply be:

Hiring Rambis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All trades and draft picks.

How is there no way anyone can say that? Kevin Love flourished despite Rambis, so there's one example. Curry was/is just a good ball player, Flynn was/is not a very good ball player.

Kevin Love happens to be a PF. Or in other words, he is not a PG trying to run a system he is not good at. The only agreement that I'll make is that Curry was/is a good player in Golden States system, Flynn was not a good ball player in Rambis' system.

[teven_1]

I mean this is probably not the right time for this but Kahns dismal draft record? you have seen the other 29 GMs right? I count 2 mistakes Kahns has made: Flynn and Wes Johnson.
Flynn was on everyone's board and he netted us Rubio on the same night.
(if you want to mention his trade of Ty Lawson, you have to mention a whole mess of GMs neglected to even DRAFT Ty, so that seems like a league wide boner there)

Wes Johnson came down to Wes or Cousins, while Wes hasn't panned out I'm still ok with NOT having Cousins attitude on this team.

if anything I'm pretty happy with what Kahn has done with the roster he inherited.

In 2009 After jennings at #10...

NJN - Had harris who was playing very well atthe time
CHA - Just drafted DJ the season before I think
IND - Had major need at PF
PHX - Nash
DET - Stuckey had been playing well at the time, Daye was clearly best fit
CHI - Rose
PHI - Jrue great pick for them was slated to go very early in most mocks until later in the season

Ty fell because no teams really needed a pg in that draft range. At draft time it was very apparent through team needs that one of the following PG's would fall to the wolves at 18. All guys most would have rather had then flynn by quite a margin even back then...

Teague, Holiday, Lawson, Jennings.

Lawson was a great prospect, teague a fantastic multidimensional scorer. Jennings may have fallen as the rumor was a commitment to flynn with MIL at #10. Holiday a highly touted freshman,

There was zero reason to draft back to back PG's at 5 or 6 when this is considered. They could have picked up Curry and traded back with NYK or whoever for pick(hill/derozan/clark) + asset.

Maybe the flynn + Johnson for Tyreke deal was real and they just couldnt pull it through, but all I care about is actual results. It was a wasted pick. Curry was the clear cut choice after #5, I didn't like it then and I don't like it now.

In 2010...

I still would have taken cousins. I'm off and on about Wes even then, He could turn out really good, but still Cousins had a great post game, thrived in transition, and can pass.clear BPA. I can accept the fact that at the time we had love, al, and I think beas was just aquired. also lots of people had monroe above johnson too. But he was clear bpa and Im sure several teams would have been willing to trade up. That doesn't even take into account the wolves picking up lazar, baffling. Or trading the #16 for limited minutes of Webster when it was known how badly he hurt his back. I even look past that, its no biggie and I like webster more than future HOF LuKE BaBbItZ. Oh and while Flynn looked passable his first season, if the rumor was true that IND offered a redo with #10(george) for him. Thats just another mistake. I dont even think flynn is that bad, he just needs to run pnr all day long.But whatever!

The only thing the franchise made the right decision on in the past 7 drafts that wasnt a no brainer(rubio\williams)... was mayo for love.

Then lets tie up ~4m-8m a season in various pgs. Sessions, luke, and barae.

asjdakjshdakjh bleh

well with Ty Lawson, it's pretty clear any of the aforementioned teams would have loved to have drafted him in hindsight (especially PHX who have been searching for a Steve Nash successor since Marcus Banks), just as much as we would have loved to have kept him (or gotten more out of him). I believe like most, you never draft for need (especially in the first round) but draft for talent, so I give Kahn credit for swooping up Ty, granted we should have gotten more for him and kept him over Flynn but anyone who saw Flynn at Cuse didn't expect him to do this poorly, although his first season was quite good all things considered. Either way with Rubio here now, I can't exactly be bitter Ty is gone.
As far as drafting Curry I remember hearing rumors his agent would refuse to let him sign here, so that might have played into it. I'm inclined to believe Kahn wanted Curry over Flynn, after all everything he said about wanting a 2 PG backcourt would work perfectly with Curry.

I'm being kind of hypocritical with Cousins because he was clearly the PBA, but his attitude scares me, I really like the teams chemistry. Also I remember Kahn being angry after the Webster trade because he specifically said,the Blazers had withheld information.

Either way, there's no doubt Kahn has flubbed some moves. My point is, which GM hasn't? I always thought the level of ridicule Kahn was endured is disproportional to the amount of mistakes he has made, and that all things considered he's done a pretty good job rebuilding us.

[Tirion]

I laugh at those who use "no-brainer picks" to discredit Kahn. In 2005, there was a no-brainer pick at #2 when the Atlanta Hawks picked Chris P...I mean, Marvin Williams. GMs still have to make the pick.

So, you defending Kahn's draft failures with an example of the worst draft mistake of the 00's?
Homers really are great turd polishers.

[weasel]

I laugh at those who use "no-brainer picks" to discredit Kahn. In 2005, there was a no-brainer pick at #2 when the Atlanta Hawks picked Chris P...I mean, Marvin Williams. GMs still have to make the pick.

So, you defending Kahn's draft failures with an example of the worst draft mistake of the 00's?
Homers really are great turd polishers.

No, he was stating that if you are going to bash him for his mistakes, you can't cover up his good picks by saying it was a no brainer.

[yowyOw]

Kevin Love - Pau Gasol. If only the Lakers continued to be dumb believing in the bluff Bynum is and accepted to trade Pau for Luke, Beasley & Milicic or Pek.

Rubio, Ellington, Williams, Love, Gasol. SICK!

When Pau plays C, he is the second best in the league. He was the C when the Lakers went to the Finals 3 times in a row and won back2back champs. He completely stopped Dwight Howard back in the 2009 Finals. Andrew's presence was merely testimonial. He was more injured than healthy.

Now you add him to Love, and you've got a heck of a combo. That would be our own Odom+Gasol, except Love is a better player in the paint. He is also a worst passer, but with a PG like RR who cares?!

That would be my dream trade. Getting Pau for Beas and whover else except Love, Rubio and Williams.

.

[Tirion]

I laugh at those who use "no-brainer picks" to discredit Kahn. In 2005, there was a no-brainer pick at #2 when the Atlanta Hawks picked Chris P...I mean, Marvin Williams. GMs still have to make the pick.

So, you defending Kahn's draft failures with an example of the worst draft mistake of the 00's?
Homers really are great turd polishers.

No, he was stating that if you are going to bash him for his mistakes, you can't cover up his good picks by saying it was a no brainer.

what good picks? he had one.

[Yes We Kahn]

what good picks? he had one.

Are you calling the Williams pick a mistake?

[Tirion]

what good picks? he had one.

Are you calling the Williams pick a mistake?

I'm calling it incomplete.

[shangrila]

And Rubio?

[Tirion]

that's the one good pick.

[Swish4]

Big Al and Milsap are a really tough duo to defend. They actually complement each other well IMO.

[Yes We Kahn]

what good picks? he had one.

Are you calling the Williams pick a mistake?

I'm calling it incomplete.

Ok. Which are the bad picks? Which are the other incomplete ones?

[Breakdown777]

I'm going to take this "what if" stuff a little bit further...

In 2006, Kevin McHale decided to take Craig Smith at 36...Millsap went #47. Millsap had very impressive college numbers, even if he wasn't playing in a great conference. I think most of the posters who were around were very confused when we went with the cookie monster...I'm just saying we could've had and kept Millsap well before we had to send KG out of town.