2013 Draft Targets (#9, #26, #52, #59)

Post #1381 » by **Klomp** » Sat May 25, 2013 12:39 am

Devilzsidewalk wrote:if we're at 2, do we still go w/ Oladipo, or McLemore

Oladipo 100%. He's got the drive to get better...something I'm not sure McLemore has

moss_is_1 · Post #1382 » by **moss_is_1** » Sat May 25, 2013 12:40 am

Devilzsidewalk wrote:if we're at 2, do we still go w/ Oladipo, or McLemore

Personally, I would say VO will be a better player...but McLemore a better fit for us.

A1FromDay1 · Post #1383 » by **A1FromDay1** » Sat May 25, 2013 12:50 am

Except for Rubio in 2009, i've never wanted us to draft someone as much as i want Oladipo now.

Post #1384 » by **Klomp** » Sat May 25, 2013 1:16 am

I don't know the legitimacy of this guy, but...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/timb3r_wolf/status/337978835951837185[/tweet]

Gideon · Post #1385 » by **Gideon** » Sat May 25, 2013 1:39 am

MadLoveSkillz wrote:Except for Rubio in 2009, i've never wanted us to draft someone as much as i want Oladipo now.

Agreed. I absolutely love the idea of a Rubio/Oladipo backcourt for years to come.

Post #1386 » by **C.lupus** » Sat May 25, 2013 2:36 am

Yeah, Oladipo is the one I want out of this draft.

Grits n Gravy · Post #1387 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Sat May 25, 2013 3:02 am

I'd still have to go Mclemore over Oladipo if I had a choice but it's not by much.

Skin · Post #1388 » by **Skin** » Sat May 25, 2013 9:27 am

mbn23 wrote:Wolves really want Oladipo. What are some of the trade ideas?

Wolves in:
#2 pick, Affalo

Magic in:
#9 pick, Shved, rights to 2015 pick

Afflalo for #26 and #52 and Ridnour sounds about right. Don't have enough to move up to #2.

Nitroglycerin · Post #1389 » by **Nitroglycerin** » Sat May 25, 2013 11:28 am

3 out 7 bbsites says that we take Alex Len at #9

Nitroglycerin · Post #1390 » by **Nitroglycerin** » Sat May 25, 2013 11:33 am

All our assets for VO
#9, Dwill, Ridnour, Shved, Lee for
#2(VO), Afflalo, Lamb

Rubio-Oladipo
the OLE - OLA backcourt duo lol

Post #1391 » by **Klomp** » Sun May 26, 2013 4:51 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZqNdfBS9L4[/youtube]

Ducklett · Post #1392 » by **Ducklett** » Sun May 26, 2013 6:28 am

No way do the Magic give you 2 for anything on your roster. Sorry, and no offense, but 9 + crap doesn't = 2. You guys may like D. Will, and he might be really good in a different situation, but most of the league outside of Minny thinks he will be out of the league in a few years. Shved other than a few really great games is relatively meh too.

Think of it this way: If you guys had 2 would you trade for 9 + Kyle O'Quinn?

Gideon · Post #1393 » by **Gideon** » Sun May 26, 2013 7:40 am

Ducklett wrote:No way do the Magic give you 2 for anything on your roster. Sorry, and no offense, but 9 + crap doesn't = 2. You guys may like D. Will, and he might be really good in a different situation, but most of the league outside of Minny thinks he will be out of the league in a few years. Shved other than a few really great games is relatively meh too.

Think of it this way: If you guys had 2 would you trade for 9 + Kyle O'Quinn?

There's a big difference between D-Will and Kyle O'Quinn... if you look at comments on the trade board, there are a number of fans of teams like WAS and CHA saying they would be interested in acquiring D-Will (a basic framework of D-Will and #9 for #4 seems to have CHA fans pretty divided, for example). D-Will averaged 15-6 the second half of last season, and I don't think anybody reasonable thinks he will be out of the league in a few years. He's already shown he's good enough to be a solid rotation guy, and the question is whether that's all he'll be or if he can develop into a good starter.

That said, I do think #2 is a little too much for a team to give up for D-Will and #9... I don't think it's outlandish, but I probably wouldn't do it. However, D-Will and #9 for #4 (or something similar to that) is starting to look pretty likely -- articles and posts about the possibility of the Wolves moving up to take Oladipo are everywhere and D-Will is usually included (and as a value piece, not just a throw-in) when people speculate about such a deal.

Ducklett · Post #1394 » by **Ducklett** » Sun May 26, 2013 8:01 am

Gideon wrote:
Ducklett wrote:No way do the Magic give you 2 for anything on your roster. Sorry, and no offense, but 9 + crap doesn't = 2. You guys may like D. Will, and he might be really good in a different situation, but most of the league outside of Minny thinks he will be out of the league in a few years. Shved other than a few really great games is relatively meh too.

Think of it this way: If you guys had 2 would you trade for 9 + Kyle O'Quinn?

There's a big difference between D-Will and Kyle O'Quinn... if you look at comments on the trade board, there are a number of fans of teams like WAS and CHA saying they would be interested in acquiring D-Will (a basic framework of D-Will and #9 for #4 seems to have CHA fans pretty divided, for example). D-Will averaged 15-6 the second half of last season, and I don't think anybody reasonable thinks he will be out of the league in a few years. He's already shown he's good enough to be a solid rotation guy, and the question is whether that's all he'll be or if he can develop into a good starter.

That said, I do think #2 is a little too much for a team to give up for D-Will and #9... I don't think it's outlandish, but I probably wouldn't do it. However, D-Will and #9 for #4 (or something similar to that) is starting to look pretty likely -- articles and posts about the possibility of the Wolves moving up to take Oladipo are everywhere and D-Will is usually included (and as a value piece, not just a throw-in) when people speculate about such a deal.

If you had future picks to throw in, I could see it being a thing for the 2, but D-Will is too much of an unknown at year 3-4. I know he is only in his early twenties, but when you are talking about a team with literally little to no star talent (Magic) you cant lose a top-2 pick, no matter how "bad" the draft is.

Gideon · Post #1395 » by **Gideon** » Sun May 26, 2013 8:05 am

Ducklett wrote:
Gideon wrote:
Ducklett wrote:No way do the Magic give you 2 for anything on your roster. Sorry, and no offense, but 9 + crap doesn't = 2. You guys may like D. Will, and he might be really good in a different situation, but most of the league outside of Minny thinks he will be out of the league in a few years. Shved other than a few really great games is relatively meh too.

Think of it this way: If you guys had 2 would you trade for 9 + Kyle O'Quinn?

There's a big difference between D-Will and Kyle O'Quinn... if you look at comments on the trade board, there are a number of fans of teams like WAS and CHA saying they would be interested in acquiring D-Will (a basic framework of D-Will and #9 for #4 seems to have CHA fans pretty divided, for example). D-Will averaged 15-6 the second half of last season, and I don't think anybody reasonable thinks he will be out of the league in a few years. He's already shown he's good enough to be a solid rotation guy, and the question is whether that's all he'll be or if he can develop into a good starter.

That said, I do think #2 is a little too much for a team to give up for D-Will and #9... I don't think it's outlandish, but I probably wouldn't do it. However, D-Will and #9 for #4 (or something similar to that) is starting to look pretty likely -- articles and posts about the possibility of the Wolves moving up to take Oladipo are everywhere and D-Will is usually included (and as a value piece, not just a throw-in) when people speculate about such a deal.

If you had future picks to throw in, I could see it being a thing for the 2, but D-Will is too much of an unknown at year 3-4. I know he is only in his early twenties, but when you are talking about a team with literally little to no star talent (Magic) you cant lose a top-2 pick, no matter how "bad" the draft is.

I agree with you. If I were the Magic I wouldn't accept D-Will and #9 for #2 either... I just disagreed about D-Will possibly being out of the league in a few years. I do think he has value.

Really, Minny is (or at least seems to be) targeting Oladipo, so there's no need to trade all the way up to #2, anyway. WAS and CHA are probably both much more natural trade partners in what is essentially a D-Will & #9 for Oladipo and filler deal.

Post #1396 » by **C.lupus** » Sun May 26, 2013 2:53 pm

Klomp wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZqNdfBS9L4[/youtube]

I'm seriously Jonesing for this kid right now.

theGreatRC · Post #1397 » by **theGreatRC** » Sun May 26, 2013 3:50 pm

C.lupus wrote:
Klomp wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZqNdfBS9L4[/youtube]

I'm seriously Jonesing for this kid right now.

you and me both brudda

Saltine · Post #1398 » by **Saltine** » Sun May 26, 2013 7:42 pm

Hopefully Flip pulls a deal off for him, he won't be there at 9.

moss_is_1 · Post #1399 » by **moss_is_1** » Sun May 26, 2013 8:48 pm

I've moved to thinking I want VO over McLemore. Hard for me to say as a KU homer, but I've always thought that McLemore didn't deserve to be as high as people have him.

Oladipo, IMO, will at least be a high level defender and someone who is lethal in transition. McLemore could turn out to be a slightly more athletic Morrow, or a better shooting Brandon Rush.

A thing that bothers me about McLemore is just how dumb and passive he is. His combine interview is cringe-worthy..."upsize" instead of upside.

NikolaPekovic · Post #1400 » by **NikolaPekovic** » Sun May 26, 2013 9:16 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:I've moved to thinking I want VO over McLemore. Hard for me to say as a KU homer, but I've always thought that McLemore didn't deserve to be as high as people have him.

Oladipo, IMO, will at least be a high level defender and someone who is lethal in transition. McLemore could turn out to be a slightly more athletic Morrow, or a better shooting Brandon Rush.

A thing that bothers me about McLemore is just how dumb and passive he is. His combine interview is cringe-worthy..."upsize" instead of upside.

Ive heard he is a really good kid. Bill self said he would hope his child would grow up to the the type of man that Mcelmore is. And that he is also the best player he has ever coached. Regardless of that I also question his intelligence. But he seems very hardworking as well, he was a big man until high school pretty much, so he developed the best jumpshot in college in a very short amount of time.

In terms of ability right now I would prefer MCelmore, but I think VO is a safer pick because of the intangibles he brings as well as his work ethic.

that being said I would be happy with having either as them as our SG of the future and wouldnt be mad if we chose either one.