***The 2020 NBA Off-Season Thread***

[thinktank]

we can probly get KCP or Joe Harris around 9-10 mil/yr deals.

This isn't an easy swap out for Beasley for just anyone.

Joe Harris is a great shooter, but he's not anywhere near the gamer that Beasley has shown to be.

Case in point. As soon as Beasley was given 30+mpg and starting role, he became a 20 PPG/5 RPG capable player. But Joe Harris has averaged over 30mpg for the past two seasons and he's only averaging 14 PPG/4 RPG. Harris also is not as good at drawing FT shots or making FT shots. Beasley will get open more, take more shots, draw more fouls, rebound more = a more extreme player.

Yet Joe Harris got 145 starts the past two seasons. That's what was wrong in Denver and why Beasley didn't sign there. He deserves to start somewhere and this team should consider itself lucky to have him. If losing him and replacing with someone like Harris, fine. But others will have to pick up that slack that Beasley could have added.

One point of contention is that Joe Harris is in the top tier of people who “get open more”, his ability to move off of the ball is extraordinary. Not discounting Beasley, but that one skillset is something that Harris is absurd at, dude seems to always get open.

Ideally, I would prefer to have both Beasley and Harris.

Harris is a lot niftier with the handles too, actually.

Beasley can’t dribble or pass.

Harris can.

[Jedzz]

we can probly get KCP or Joe Harris around 9-10 mil/yr deals.

This isn't an easy swap out for Beasley for just anyone.

Joe Harris is a great shooter, but he's not anywhere near the gamer that Beasley has shown to be.

Case in point. As soon as Beasley was given 30+mpg and starting role, he became a 20 PPG/5 RPG capable player. But Joe Harris has averaged over 30mpg for the past two seasons and he's only averaging 14 PPG/4 RPG. Harris also is not as good at drawing FT shots or making FT shots. Beasley will get open more, take more shots, draw more fouls, rebound more = a more extreme player.

Yet Joe Harris got 145 starts the past two seasons. That's what was wrong in Denver and why Beasley didn't sign there. He deserves to start somewhere and this team should consider itself lucky to have him. If losing him and replacing with someone like Harris, fine. But others will have to pick up that slack that Beasley could have added.

One point of contention is that Joe Harris is in the top tier of people who “get open more”, his ability to move off of the ball is extraordinary. Not discounting Beasley, but that one skillset is something that Harris is absurd at, dude seems to always get open.

Ideally, I would prefer to have both Beasley and Harris.

That's fine to suggest Harris is absurdly good at getting open and in some kind of top tier at it. But Beasley might be better at it, certainly looks to be by my eye and the numbers support it. Which is why it's absurd that people don't recognize him for that and being in a top tier for that. Harris is getting 4-5 3pt shots/g when playing over 30 mins starting. Beasley was getting that many attempts off 20 bench minutes in Denver. One is simply more active than the other, not to take anything away from what Harris is doing. Think back to the games Beasley played here this past spring and that's exacty what made him available for over 8 shots per game. He earned those shot attempts by always getting open. Nobody had to force things to him for ugly pressured shots. It was amazing to see Towns passing to him that one game, I would bet Towns found it refreshing to have someone getting into an easy pass spot for him.

I would love to have both players here. But it might be asking for too much if people here aren't willing to admit what these players are worth minutes/contracts wise and would try to start players like Culver/Okogie over them. If the team simply won't pay Beasley enough but Harris somehow can be afforded, then so be it. I just won't call them equal on equal minutes and the others will have to do more.

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[Jedzz]

This isn't an easy swap out for Beasley for just anyone.

Joe Harris is a great shooter, but he's not anywhere near the gamer that Beasley has shown to be.

Case in point. As soon as Beasley was given 30+mpg and starting role, he became a 20 PPG/5 RPG capable player. But Joe Harris has averaged over 30mpg for the past two seasons and he's only averaging 14 PPG/4 RPG. Harris also is not as good at drawing FT shots or making FT shots. Beasley will get open more, take more shots, draw more fouls, rebound more = a more extreme player.

Yet Joe Harris got 145 starts the past two seasons. That's what was wrong in Denver and why Beasley didn't sign there. He deserves to start somewhere and this team should consider itself lucky to have him. If losing him and replacing with someone like Harris, fine. But others will have to pick up that slack that Beasley could have added.

One point of contention is that Joe Harris is in the top tier of people who “get open more”, his ability to move off of the ball is extraordinary. Not discounting Beasley, but that one skillset is something that Harris is absurd at, dude seems to always get open.

Ideally, I would prefer to have both Beasley and Harris.

Harris is a lot niftier with the handles too, actually.

Beasley can’t dribble or pass.

Harris can.

Go get Harris nd dump Beasley then. We can suck again with Culver/Okogie starting and Harris doing the 18 minutes off bench thing everyone here seems to want, for 10 million/yr and 12 pts. See if he even signs here for that and for a bench role watching scrubs start.

...can't dribble or pass ...Harris is niftier Harris the superstar now!

What does Harris average while starting and playing over 31 minutes? That's right 14-15 pts. Niftier.

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A deal is expected to be finalized in the next few days, and Sixers GM Elton Brand is expected to remain in his current position, sources said.

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Jazz sold before the Timberwolves

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[Calinks]

Things are starting to heat up! Really interested to see what Philly does with Morey pulling strings.

[IceManBK1]

Well Knicks are willing to absorb large contracts for assets..maybe a 3 way b/w timberwolves, philly and knicks. Hartford+our 17th plus philly's 1st rder to Knicks...#1, JJ and Culver to Philly, Ben Simmons to Minnesota. Philly shred's Hartford's poisonous contract, knicks get 2 first rders..we get Ben Simmons.

[Domejandro]

Ben Simmons trades were never happening, but now they certainly are not happening with Daryl Morey at the helm.

[thinktank]

One point of contention is that Joe Harris is in the top tier of people who “get open more”, his ability to move off of the ball is extraordinary. Not discounting Beasley, but that one skillset is something that Harris is absurd at, dude seems to always get open.

Ideally, I would prefer to have both Beasley and Harris.

Harris is a lot niftier with the handles too, actually.

Beasley can’t dribble or pass.

Harris can.

Go get Harris nd dump Beasley then. We can suck again with Culver/Okogie starting and Harris doing the 18 minutes off bench thing everyone here seems to want, for 10 million/yr and 12 pts. See if he even signs here for that and for a bench role watching scrubs start.

...can't dribble or pass ...Harris is niftier Harris the superstar now!

What does Harris average while starting and playing over 31 minutes? That's right 14-15 pts. Niftier.

Who said Harris was a superstar? Geez. Calm down.

[Jedzz]

Harris is a lot niftier with the handles too, actually.

Beasley can’t dribble or pass.

Harris can.

Go get Harris nd dump Beasley then. We can suck again with Culver/Okogie starting and Harris doing the 18 minutes off bench thing everyone here seems to want, for 10 million/yr and 12 pts. See if he even signs here for that and for a bench role watching scrubs start.

...can't dribble or pass ...Harris is niftier Harris the superstar now!

What does Harris average while starting and playing over 31 minutes? That's right 14-15 pts. Niftier.

Who said Harris was a superstar? Geez. Calm down.

He's not better than Beasley. I'm triggered by the constant bs suggestions. Whatt can I say?

[thinktank]

Go get Harris nd dump Beasley then. We can suck again with Culver/Okogie starting and Harris doing the 18 minutes off bench thing everyone here seems to want, for 10 million/yr and 12 pts. See if he even signs here for that and for a bench role watching scrubs start.

...can't dribble or pass ...Harris is niftier Harris the superstar now!

What does Harris average while starting and playing over 31 minutes? That's right 14-15 pts. Niftier.

Who said Harris was a superstar? Geez. Calm down.

He's not better than Beasley. I'm triggered by the constant bs suggestions. Whatt can I say?

I never said he was better than Beasley so don’t get triggered.

No two players provide the same value. Skillsets differ. Contracts differ.

Comparing two players (read: values) isn’t so black and white. You have to take a lot of factors into account.

Chris Paul is better than Beasley but do we want him and that deal? No.

[Dewey]

Who said Harris was a superstar? Geez. Calm down.

He's not better than Beasley. I'm triggered by the constant bs suggestions. Whatt can I say?

I never said he was better than Beasley so don’t get triggered.

No two players provide the same value. Skillsets differ. Contracts differ.

Comparing two players (read: values) isn’t so black and white. You have to take a lot of factors into account.

Chris Paul is better than Beasley but do we want him and that deal? No.

Personally I see them both as basically off ball shooters whether they are a starter or reserve. I think Harris sees the niche Value and Longevity, whereas, Beasley sees himself as more than a niche and more short-term$$. Doesn’t put either In the wrong, but I think that’s the jist of it.

[Jedzz]

I never said he was better than Beasley so don’t get triggered.

No two players provide the same value. Skillsets differ. Contracts differ.

Comparing two players (read: values) isn’t so black and white. You have to take a lot of factors into account.

Chris Paul is better than Beasley but do we want him and that deal? No.

Personally I see them both as basically off ball shooters whether they are a starter or reserve. I think Harris sees the niche Value and Longevity, whereas, Beasley sees himself as more than a niche and more short-term$$. Doesn’t put either In the wrong, but I think that’s the jist of it.

That difference of seeing oneself as a role player, niche value and settling in there for a career to just handle your role with starters minutes versus someone battling every game to prove he can and will do more every additional minute you give him is basically the difference in competition between star players and average pros. Harris doesn't shoot like an average pro. But he's only reaching 15 points in 31 minutes in starts over the last couple seasons. These are different levels or types of competitors. Sadly, Beasley's story is getting dragged through mud at the moment.

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idk whether source is credible.

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[KGdaBom]

Guessing KGdabom may take issue with this hire for nepotistic reasons?

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Is he the son of Paul Silas? Is Paul Silas with the team?