Trade Talk (Part Thirteen): 2023 Offseason Edition

[KGdaBom]

it doesn't necessarily have to be a guard, a playmaking wing like Ingram would serve the same purpose

I just don't see how any team can win a playoff series without multiple players like that (unicorns like Giannis, Jokic not being included). Wolves have an outstanding building block in ANT, but I don't see how they get another one short of Jaden blowing up

Have you ever heard of a guy named Karl-Anthony Towns. We already have another.

you've been impressed by KAT's playoff performances?

Not yet, but what does that have to do with this year and other years to come. NOTHING.

[cmoss84]

I'm perfectly happy keeping Rudy...but...
Would you trade him for Herro and Nurkic in a multiple team trade?

[KGdaBom]

I'm perfectly happy keeping Rudy...but...
Would you trade him for Herro and Nurkic in a multiple team trade?

Nope

[TimberKat]

I'm perfectly happy keeping Rudy...but...
Would you trade him for Herro and Nurkic in a multiple team trade?

Nope but reasonable. I can see your point. It's something to consider mid season if current plan doesn't work.

[SO_MONEY]

I'm perfectly happy keeping Rudy...but...
Would you trade him for Herro and Nurkic in a multiple team trade?

Without a doubt, but I don't think you could get that for him. If you can, jump on it. Well maybe not jump on it but see if it can be beat, then jump on it.

[Norseman79]

Would you do Rudy for Simmons and a pick? Would the Nets?

[TimberKat]

Would you do Rudy for Simmons and a pick? Would the Nets?

Would the Nets do that? If you are the Nets and stuck with Simmons' contract what would you do? I welcome a better free throw shooter for sure.

[Norseman79]

Would you do Rudy for Simmons and a pick? Would the Nets?

Would the Nets do that? If you are the Nets and stuck with Simmons' contract what would you do? I welcome a better free throw shooter for sure.

I think it kind of depends on a couple of different things. First for the wolves, do you think Kat is better at center? If yes then we can gobert makes sense. Why Simmons? Well he can't shoot, neither can Rudy, so you aren't losing anything there. He isn't the defensive stopper in the paint that Rudy is, so you are losing there. However, he is an excellent creator, perimeter defender, and somebody who can initiate the offense. I almost look at him as Kyle Anderson without the shot but more physically gifted. So the biggest gamble is are you getting a healthy Simmons. If Simmons is healthy, and can give you 25 to 30 minutes a game, I know considering his contract that seems like a bad thing, but it allows you more of a rotation with Anderson and Reed and Towns. Simmons's contract is also one year shorter and about 4 million per year less expensive. With Edwards, McDaniel's, and towns is contracts about to hit the books, that one year shorter and $4 million could make a big difference. Finally, if next year is the year we look to move towns, how much additional value does Simmons 40 million expiring have? I'm not a big cap guy so I don't know if expiring's carry the same amount of weight as they used to.

Ultimately, I wouldn't make the trade. It just seemed like an interesting conversation piece. If you could tell me that Simmons would stay healthy the entire year, I would probably make that deal in a second. However, I just don't think that's realistic.

[TimberKat]

Would you do Rudy for Simmons and a pick? Would the Nets?

Would the Nets do that? If you are the Nets and stuck with Simmons' contract what would you do? I welcome a better free throw shooter for sure.

I think it kind of depends on a couple of different things. First for the wolves, do you think Kat is better at center? If yes then we can gobert makes sense. Why Simmons? Well he can't shoot, neither can Rudy, so you aren't losing anything there. He isn't the defensive stopper in the paint that Rudy is, so you are losing there. However, he is an excellent creator, perimeter defender, and somebody who can initiate the offense. I almost look at him as Kyle Anderson without the shot but more physically gifted. So the biggest gamble is are you getting a healthy Simmons. If Simmons is healthy, and can give you 25 to 30 minutes a game, I know considering his contract that seems like a bad thing, but it allows you more of a rotation with Anderson and Reed and Towns. Simmons's contract is also one year shorter and about 4 million per year less expensive. With Edwards, McDaniel's, and towns is contracts about to hit the books, that one year shorter and $4 million could make a big difference. Finally, if next year is the year we look to move towns, how much additional value does Simmons 40 million expiring have? I'm not a big cap guy so I don't know if expiring's carry the same amount of weight as they used to.

Ultimately, I wouldn't make the trade. It just seemed like an interesting conversation piece. If you could tell me that Simmons would stay healthy the entire year, I would probably make that deal in a second. However, I just don't think that's realistic.

We all love this trade 2 years ago. He was the super Vanderbilt, perfect next to Towns. I don't know if Moray destroyed him with the trade talks or just too much dating. He falled off the cliff. If you worry about KAT's playoff meltdown? Does two players meltdown makes it a no meltdown? Gobert already has a bad back, we need someone with a better spine.

[Norseman79]

Would the Nets do that? If you are the Nets and stuck with Simmons' contract what would you do? I welcome a better free throw shooter for sure.

I think it kind of depends on a couple of different things. First for the wolves, do you think Kat is better at center? If yes then we can gobert makes sense. Why Simmons? Well he can't shoot, neither can Rudy, so you aren't losing anything there. He isn't the defensive stopper in the paint that Rudy is, so you are losing there. However, he is an excellent creator, perimeter defender, and somebody who can initiate the offense. I almost look at him as Kyle Anderson without the shot but more physically gifted. So the biggest gamble is are you getting a healthy Simmons. If Simmons is healthy, and can give you 25 to 30 minutes a game, I know considering his contract that seems like a bad thing, but it allows you more of a rotation with Anderson and Reed and Towns. Simmons's contract is also one year shorter and about 4 million per year less expensive. With Edwards, McDaniel's, and towns is contracts about to hit the books, that one year shorter and $4 million could make a big difference. Finally, if next year is the year we look to move towns, how much additional value does Simmons 40 million expiring have? I'm not a big cap guy so I don't know if expiring's carry the same amount of weight as they used to.

Ultimately, I wouldn't make the trade. It just seemed like an interesting conversation piece. If you could tell me that Simmons would stay healthy the entire year, I would probably make that deal in a second. However, I just don't think that's realistic.

We all love this trade 2 years ago. He was the super Vanderbilt, perfect next to Towns. I don't know if Moray destroyed him with the trade talks or just too much dating. He falled off the cliff. If you worry about KAT's playoff meltdown? Does two players meltdown makes it a no meltdown? Gobert already has a bad back, we need someone with a better spine.

Definitely all valid points. Part of me wonders if the meltdowns are because of roles. If they didn't have to be the focal points, would they be able to find more success feeding off of Edwards. Now due to Simmons lack of shooting, he's going to be some type of a liability in the playoffs no matter what. However, if you balance his time so that he is on the court with shooters that can play off of him and that he is not on the court in situations where teams will be fouling you could conceivably get great value.

[Wolves21]

I have a perfect trade idea for Towns but don't think we could do it until mid season or next off season.

We trade Towns straight up for Smart & Jackson from the Grizzles.This solves our defensive issues,point guard issue and gets us a young all-star talent back in Jackson(yes more of a defensive type all-star) to go along with Edwards,McDaniels & Reid. That starting five probably would be the best defensive team in the league and hopefully McDaniels take another step this season in terms of his offensive game. Team would just need a shooter really off the bench that could knock down threes.

Why for the Grizzles would be pairing Towns with Ja who are close friends and would give them a big three of Ja,Towns & Bane which could be the best team in the WEST. Maybe have Towns around would help settle down Ja and he would start to hang around the right type of people.

My feelings for Towns as a player and as a person are two different view points. He's clearly a good guy with high character off the court and that could really help a team like Memphis.

[TimberKat]

I have a perfect trade idea for Towns but don't think we could do it until mid season or next off season.

We trade Towns straight up for Smart & Jackson from the Grizzles.This solves our defensive issues,point guard issue and gets us a young all-star talent back in Jackson(yes more of a defensive type all-star) to go along with Edwards,McDaniels & Reid. That starting five probably would be the best defensive team in the league and hopefully McDaniels take another step this season in terms of his offensive game. Team would just need a shooter really off the bench that could knock down threes.

Why for the Grizzles would be pairing Towns with Ja who are close friends and would give them a big three of Ja,Towns & Bane which could be the best team in the WEST. Maybe have Towns around would help settle down Ja and he would start to hang around the right type of people.

My feelings for Towns as a player and as a person are two different view points. He's clearly a good guy with high character off the court and that could really help a team like Memphis.

Interesting and would have to move Gobert also. Gobert is basically our JJJ. In that case, wouldn't it be simpler if we got Towns for a younger version of Paul George (can't think of a perfect person right now. Too bad Celtics already got Porzingis)

[Nick K]

Must be desperate to talk about things. Kat is not going anywhere! I love Dame but he duplicates what Ant does. Kat is a much better fit here. Basketball is a team game where you have to go with pieces that fit. If any one player doesn't fit it's Rudy. If you are worried about money, you get rid of Rudy's money not Kat's.

Why get pippin, he just duplicates what mj does

We already have our MJ. What made the Bulls great was they had really good complimentary players surrounding MJ. They had the right mix. Remember they lost when it was just MJ for the first 5 years.

It's a team game. Right down to the bench.

[Wolves21]

I have a perfect trade idea for Towns but don't think we could do it until mid season or next off season.

We trade Towns straight up for Smart & Jackson from the Grizzles.This solves our defensive issues,point guard issue and gets us a young all-star talent back in Jackson(yes more of a defensive type all-star) to go along with Edwards,McDaniels & Reid. That starting five probably would be the best defensive team in the league and hopefully McDaniels take another step this season in terms of his offensive game. Team would just need a shooter really off the bench that could knock down threes.

Why for the Grizzles would be pairing Towns with Ja who are close friends and would give them a big three of Ja,Towns & Bane which could be the best team in the WEST. Maybe have Towns around would help settle down Ja and he would start to hang around the right type of people.

My feelings for Towns as a player and as a person are two different view points. He's clearly a good guy with high character off the court and that could really help a team like Memphis.

Interesting and would have to move Gobert also. Gobert is basically our JJJ. In that case, wouldn't it be simpler if we got Towns for a younger version of Paul George (can't think of a perfect person right now. Too bad Celtics already got Porzingis)

Ya I would ship out Gobert in another deal that cuts some of the cost for us in terms of the cap.Will never get the return on Gobert that we used to trade for him but I think you should still be able to get a starter,bench player & 1st round pick from some team.

Smart,Edwards,McDaniels,Jackson,Reid as the starting five plus what we get for Gobert to help fill out the bench with Melton & Anderson.

I think that would be a title contender if Edwards & McDaniels continue to grow and take the next step.

[jpatrick]

Must be desperate to talk about things. Kat is not going anywhere! I love Dame but he duplicates what Ant does. Kat is a much better fit here. Basketball is a team game where you have to go with pieces that fit. If any one player doesn't fit it's Rudy. If you are worried about money, you get rid of Rudy's money not Kat's.

Why get pippin, he just duplicates what mj does

We already have our MJ. What made the Bulls great was they had really good complimentary players surrounding MJ. They had the right mix. Remember they lost when it was just MJ for the first 5 years.

It's a team game. Right down to the bench.

JJJ’s trade value >>>>> KAT’s trade value. He’s one of the best, most versatile bigs in the league. Defensive player of the year quality player already. Still very young. On a much better contract than KAT. And while he is not the offensive player that KAT, he isn’t inept on that end and does space the floor somewhat.

[TimberKat]

Guys like JJJ, Gobert, Green, and Ben Wallace are more sensitive to team winning than scorers like Kyrie. I don't know if Gobert really dropped off that much or JJJ was really that great last year. I think a lot will be answered by mid season. Although I don't think JJJ is a lot greater than Towns. In a way it's unfortunate for cap reasons that Towns qualified for supermax. Any team in the league would paid him max.

[KGdaBom]

I have a perfect trade idea for Towns but don't think we could do it until mid season or next off season.

We trade Towns straight up for Smart & Jackson from the Grizzles.This solves our defensive issues,point guard issue and gets us a young all-star talent back in Jackson(yes more of a defensive type all-star) to go along with Edwards,McDaniels & Reid. That starting five probably would be the best defensive team in the league and hopefully McDaniels take another step this season in terms of his offensive game. Team would just need a shooter really off the bench that could knock down threes.

Why for the Grizzles would be pairing Towns with Ja who are close friends and would give them a big three of Ja,Towns & Bane which could be the best team in the WEST. Maybe have Towns around would help settle down Ja and he would start to hang around the right type of people.

My feelings for Towns as a player and as a person are two different view points. He's clearly a good guy with high character off the court and that could really help a team like Memphis.

Interesting and would have to move Gobert also. Gobert is basically our JJJ. In that case, wouldn't it be simpler if we got Towns for a younger version of Paul George (can't think of a perfect person right now. Too bad Celtics already got Porzingis)

Ya I would ship out Gobert in another deal that cuts some of the cost for us in terms of the cap.Will never get the return on Gobert that we used to trade for him but I think you should still be able to get a starter,bench player & 1st round pick from some team.

Smart,Edwards,McDaniels,Jackson,Reid as the starting five plus what we get for Gobert to help fill out the bench with Melton & Anderson.

I think that would be a title contender if Edwards & McDaniels continue to grow and take the next step.

We already got a title contender. No need to trade for one.

[KGdaBom]

Why get pippin, he just duplicates what mj does

We already have our MJ. What made the Bulls great was they had really good complimentary players surrounding MJ. They had the right mix. Remember they lost when it was just MJ for the first 5 years.

It's a team game. Right down to the bench.

JJJ’s trade value >>>>> KAT’s trade value. He’s one of the best, most versatile bigs in the league. Defensive player of the year quality player already. Still very young. On a much better contract than KAT. And while he is not the offensive player that KAT, he isn’t inept on that end and does space the floor somewhat.

At most JJJ>KAT. I'd disagree, but no way is he >>>>> more valuable than KAT.

[KGdaBom]

I have a perfect trade idea for Towns but don't think we could do it until mid season or next off season.

We trade Towns straight up for Smart & Jackson from the Grizzles.This solves our defensive issues,point guard issue and gets us a young all-star talent back in Jackson(yes more of a defensive type all-star) to go along with Edwards,McDaniels & Reid. That starting five probably would be the best defensive team in the league and hopefully McDaniels take another step this season in terms of his offensive game. Team would just need a shooter really off the bench that could knock down threes.

Why for the Grizzles would be pairing Towns with Ja who are close friends and would give them a big three of Ja,Towns & Bane which could be the best team in the WEST. Maybe have Towns around would help settle down Ja and he would start to hang around the right type of people.

My feelings for Towns as a player and as a person are two different view points. He's clearly a good guy with high character off the court and that could really help a team like Memphis.

If we could get JJJ and Smart for KAT it wouldn't be horrible, but then we would need to move Gobert. KAT and Gobert can coexist. I don't think JJJ and Gobert can.

[guest81]

Must be desperate to talk about things. Kat is not going anywhere! I love Dame but he duplicates what Ant does. Kat is a much better fit here. Basketball is a team game where you have to go with pieces that fit. If any one player doesn't fit it's Rudy. If you are worried about money, you get rid of Rudy's money not Kat's.

Why get pippin, he just duplicates what mj does

We already have our MJ. What made the Bulls great was they had really good complimentary players surrounding MJ. They had the right mix. Remember they lost when it was just MJ for the first 5 years.

It's a team game. Right down to the bench.

That's my point, pippin does the same thing as mj, Dame does the same thing as ant. Ant and Dame would totally work together