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Vote! Would you Trade #7 + Cap Space for Crowder

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Would you trade #7 + Cap Space for Jae Crowder?

YES!
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yes
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Re: Vote! Would you Trade #7 + Cap Space for Crowder 

Post#21 » by Klomp » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:26 pm

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Klomp wrote:I'd love it even more if we could swap out Aldrich for Tyler Zeller's unguaranteed deal for 2017-18.


Part of this trade for Boston would be to clear additional cap space for max contract (Hayward or Griffin), that's why Wolves are such a good trade partner from Boston's perspective. Lotto pick + cap space.

I think C's would be willing to give you guys your 2nd rounder back (#37), maybe even LAC 1st (lotto protected) if that changes anything value-wise.

Just give Aldrich to NY then, problem solved!
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Re: Vote! Would you Trade #7 + Cap Space for Crowder 

Post#22 » by Worm Guts » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:27 pm

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aim2please wrote:
Klomp wrote:I'd love it even more if we could swap out Aldrich for Tyler Zeller's unguaranteed deal for 2017-18.


Part of this trade for Boston would be to clear additional cap space for max contract (Hayward or Griffin), that's why Wolves are such a good trade partner from Boston's perspective. Lotto pick + cap space.

I think C's would be willing to give you guys your 2nd rounder back (#37), maybe even LAC 1st (lotto protected) if that changes anything value-wise.

Just give Aldrich to NY then, problem solved!


I'd rather get a pick back than clear more salary.
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Re: Vote! Would you Trade #7 + Cap Space for Crowder 

Post#23 » by aim2please » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:27 pm

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Klomp wrote:I'd love it even more if we could swap out Aldrich for Tyler Zeller's unguaranteed deal for 2017-18.


Part of this trade for Boston would be to clear additional cap space for max contract (Hayward or Griffin), that's why Wolves are such a good trade partner from Boston's perspective. Lotto pick + cap space.

I think C's would be willing to give you guys your 2nd rounder back (#37), maybe even LAC 1st (lotto protected) if that changes anything value-wise.

I don't think that flips the results of the poll.

Maybe the 2019 MEM 1st


Yeah, then it's a clear win for the Wolves. I probably wouldn't do that but maybe Ainge would.

C's worked out a couple of guys projected to go 7-10 so we always assumed that trading down or getting an additional pick in that range is a possibility. I honestly think that this rumor could be legit. We'll see.

Enjoy the draft guys. Peace.
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Re: Vote! Would you Trade #7 + Cap Space for Crowder 

Post#24 » by Klomp » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:29 pm

I think 37 could be a possibility. Build up late depth development options.
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Re: Vote! Would you Trade #7 + Cap Space for Crowder 

Post#25 » by aim2please » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:33 pm

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aim2please wrote:
Klomp wrote:I'd love it even more if we could swap out Aldrich for Tyler Zeller's unguaranteed deal for 2017-18.


Part of this trade for Boston would be to clear additional cap space for max contract (Hayward or Griffin), that's why Wolves are such a good trade partner from Boston's perspective. Lotto pick + cap space.

I think C's would be willing to give you guys your 2nd rounder back (#37), maybe even LAC 1st (lotto protected) if that changes anything value-wise.

Just give Aldrich to NY then, problem solved!


Ha. I don't think Porzingis thing is real. IMO Phil is asking for the moon (Brown, #3, Nets 2018, Crowder) knowing that he won't get it. He's basically using this circus for his ego trip to show KP that he's the boss. All because he skipped that end of season meeting.
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Re: Vote! Would you Trade #7 + Cap Space for Crowder 

Post#26 » by C.lupus » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:38 pm

Klomp wrote:I think 37 could be a possibility. Build up late depth development options.

Makes sense. They have a couple extra roster spots to fill that they can split with Iowa.
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Re: Vote! Would you Trade #7 + Cap Space for Crowder 

Post#27 » by slinky » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:42 pm

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slinky wrote:I would rather us spend on a role player in FA AND/OR have Thibs prove he can develop 'guys' that will fit his system.

Here's my response to that. Look what 3/D players cost in free agency last year. I think I'd rather pay under $8 million/year over the next 3 seasons than have to pay a similar or worse player $18 million/year over 4 seasons to come here, even if it costs the No. 7 pick.


I think most agree this is the year to spend our cap before the next couple years. If I use the assumption that I would like to spend in FA this year, i know I am going to spend too much on a role player already(unless you think the wolves can get a big fish, which I wouldn't be targeting). I just much prefer the long term potential(#7) plus the FA overpay vs. solid/good player now plus the FA overpay.

And again this survey is in a vacuum. If you gave me the option of Jackson/Tatum/Isaac at #7, i don't make deal for Crowder. If they are gone, and my choices are Markannen, Collins, PGs, etc. I look harder at Crowder + picks for the #7 being an option.

The other piece to all this is that I am still not onboard that Lavine has to be a 6th man and he and Wiggins can't play together. Perhaps what we see now will be true 2-3 years from now, but still optimistic that both have the physical skills to play together.
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Re: Vote! Would you Trade #7 + Cap Space for Crowder 

Post#28 » by Biggsohnasty » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:44 pm

I'm torn on this.

If the Wolves are hell bent on selecting Monk, Collins or Markennen, then yeah I'll take Crowder over them. If Smith/Isaac is on the board and that's the player we are talking about, give me the rookie.

Crowder is a perfect fit for this team because he's a low-maintenence and effecitve offensive player who also gives you some grit and quality defense not to mention he's on what might be the best non-rookie contract in the league (not counting LeBron/KD).

But I also dislike the idea of trading what could be valuable controllable plus-players for guys like Crowder who was a 2nd round pick and developed. Good organizations find Crowder before he becomes what he is now. They don't trade valuable assets for them. They develop those guys on their own. I want the Wolves to be a team that does that. I get the idea that there's an urgency to 'win now' but I just tend to think those kinds of moves are too shortsighted and end up biting the bad teams in the ass while the good organizations continue to profit.
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Re: Vote! Would you Trade #7 + Cap Space for Crowder 

Post#29 » by Klomp » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:53 pm

Biggsohnasty wrote:But I also dislike the idea of trading what could be valuable controllable plus-players for guys like Crowder who was a 2nd round pick and developed. Good organizations find Crowder before he becomes what he is now. They don't trade valuable assets for them. They develop those guys on their own. I want the Wolves to be a team that does that. I get the idea that there's an urgency to 'win now' but I just tend to think those kinds of moves are too shortsighted and end up biting the bad teams in the ass while the good organizations continue to profit.

Good teams also pounce on good players who are undervalued, like Boston trading a future 1st for a 26-year old PG who was drafted and developed by another team.
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Re: Vote! Would you Trade #7 + Cap Space for Crowder 

Post#30 » by Slim Tubby » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:17 pm

Biggsohnasty wrote:I'm torn on this.

If the Wolves are hell bent on selecting Monk, Collins or Markennen, then yeah I'll take Crowder over them. If Smith/Isaac is on the board and that's the player we are talking about, give me the rookie.

Crowder is a perfect fit for this team because he's a low-maintenence and effecitve offensive player who also gives you some grit and quality defense not to mention he's on what might be the best non-rookie contract in the league (not counting LeBron/KD).

But I also dislike the idea of trading what could be valuable controllable plus-players for guys like Crowder who was a 2nd round pick and developed. Good organizations find Crowder before he becomes what he is now. They don't trade valuable assets for them. They develop those guys on their own. I want the Wolves to be a team that does that. I get the idea that there's an urgency to 'win now' but I just tend to think those kinds of moves are too shortsighted and end up biting the bad teams in the ass while the good organizations continue to profit.


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Re: Vote! Would you Trade #7 + Cap Space for Crowder 

Post#31 » by Neeva » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:25 pm

Crowder is a third tier player at best, no thanks!
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Re: Vote! Would you Trade #7 + Cap Space for Crowder 

Post#32 » by Biggsohnasty » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:41 pm

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Biggsohnasty wrote:But I also dislike the idea of trading what could be valuable controllable plus-players for guys like Crowder who was a 2nd round pick and developed. Good organizations find Crowder before he becomes what he is now. They don't trade valuable assets for them. They develop those guys on their own. I want the Wolves to be a team that does that. I get the idea that there's an urgency to 'win now' but I just tend to think those kinds of moves are too shortsighted and end up biting the bad teams in the ass while the good organizations continue to profit.

Good teams also pounce on good players who are undervalued, like Boston trading a future 1st for a 26-year old PG who was drafted and developed by another team.


Right, but is Crowder 'undervalued' if the price is the 7th pick in the draft?

If Boston sweetens the deal with a future pick (without bogus protections) then I'm much more interested in a potential deal.

Otherwise I'm ultimately neutral-ish on the deal. Don't love it. But it certainly makes the team better on draft night.

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