Jedzz wrote:Worm Guts wrote:minimus wrote:
Is James Harden an elite scorer?
James Harden is efficient.
Was Kevin Love as a Timberwolves player an efficient shooter or a chucker?
Kevin Love was an efficient scorer.
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Jedzz wrote:Worm Guts wrote:minimus wrote:
Is James Harden an elite scorer?
James Harden is efficient.
Was Kevin Love as a Timberwolves player an efficient shooter or a chucker?
minimus wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Worm Guts wrote:Russell isn’t an elite scorer, you have to consider his efficiency which was average at best.
I don't think to be an elite scorer requires being efficient. You just need to be one of the top ten in the league at something IMO to be elite at it. 21.1 gets him into a tie for 24th. IMO not elite unless one has a very loose take on the term.
You must be efficient enough to not let your team down when you are 1st option hence scores big number of team points and have elite skill in offense. Russell is #2 behind Kemba in PnR possessions per game. #5 in PPG in PnR. Reminder these stats in only 30 mpg, without an elite finisher as KAT, so defense won't collapse on you.
Worm Guts wrote:Jedzz wrote:Worm Guts wrote:
James Harden is efficient.
Was Kevin Love as a Timberwolves player an efficient shooter or a chucker?
Kevin Love was an efficient scorer.
Takingbaconback wrote:Seems to me like the best possible scenario right now is Wiggins blows up this season. That would make guys like Okogie or Culver more expendable or Wiggins himself could be shipped out for good value. If he doesn't, my dream would be Booker, DLO, and KAT but seems very unlikely... Beal would be nice but Wolves would have to give up a lot and doesn't guarantee KAT stays either. Seeing how all these superstars are leaving small markets, I'm almost resigned that KAT is going to ask for trade out which I'm not adverse to if we get a gigantic bounty
TheDominator273 wrote:Honestly I'd inquire with the Bulls as to the cost of bringing LaVine back. If Culver's ball handling and playmaking is as advertised than you can play Culver/LaVine together at the 1/2. Not sure how attached the Bulls are at this point but I would offer Teague/Okogie/Top 5 protected 2020 for LaVine.
The Bulls would have to think LaVine isn't part of their core and want to get off his deal while getting some value back. Teague is the matching salary, and being an expiring frees up that cap space after a single season. Okogie and the pick are the value sweeteners. Not sure the Bulls would want another offensively limited guard from us in trade following Dunn but it's tough to make the money work otherwise.
minimus wrote:Takingbaconback wrote:Seems to me like the best possible scenario right now is Wiggins blows up this season. That would make guys like Okogie or Culver more expendable or Wiggins himself could be shipped out for good value. If he doesn't, my dream would be Booker, DLO, and KAT but seems very unlikely... Beal would be nice but Wolves would have to give up a lot and doesn't guarantee KAT stays either. Seeing how all these superstars are leaving small markets, I'm almost resigned that KAT is going to ask for trade out which I'm not adverse to if we get a gigantic bounty
My issue with Wiggins having breakout season is our situation with PG. Tyus is not resigned yet, and there is no news from his camp, no photos from workouts etc. Only onу time a Skype call was mentioned between Rosas and Tyus. It bothers me a bit. Teague did miss many games last season and he is clearly not the best fit next to Wiggins, because of lack of creativity. Still plenty of time left before season opener, but it concerns me. Wiggins suffers the most from inconsistent PG/ballhandler play. Maybe tomorrow we resign Tyus and get Delon Wright, then I would roll dice with KAT-KBD-RoCo-Wiggins-Wright starting unit. Till then it is big question mark.
Takingbaconback wrote:minimus wrote:Takingbaconback wrote:Seems to me like the best possible scenario right now is Wiggins blows up this season. That would make guys like Okogie or Culver more expendable or Wiggins himself could be shipped out for good value. If he doesn't, my dream would be Booker, DLO, and KAT but seems very unlikely... Beal would be nice but Wolves would have to give up a lot and doesn't guarantee KAT stays either. Seeing how all these superstars are leaving small markets, I'm almost resigned that KAT is going to ask for trade out which I'm not adverse to if we get a gigantic bounty
My issue with Wiggins having breakout season is our situation with PG. Tyus is not resigned yet, and there is no news from his camp, no photos from workouts etc. Only onу time a Skype call was mentioned between Rosas and Tyus. It bothers me a bit. Teague did miss many games last season and he is clearly not the best fit next to Wiggins, because of lack of creativity. Still plenty of time left before season opener, but it concerns me. Wiggins suffers the most from inconsistent PG/ballhandler play. Maybe tomorrow we resign Tyus and get Delon Wright, then I would roll dice with KAT-KBD-RoCo-Wiggins-Wright starting unit. Till then it is big question mark.
I guess it's time for him to take it into his own hands. Hopefully he's improved his handles some and that's exactly the maturation I think we are all looking for. Get the ball and be comfortable scoring it all over the place without relying on some other player. Become the focal point and press the issue. That's my hope anyways lol
KGdaBom wrote:Worm Guts wrote:Jedzz wrote:
Was Kevin Love as a Timberwolves player an efficient shooter or a chucker?
Kevin Love was an efficient scorer.
Quite efficient.
KGdaBom wrote:Scorer. Not shooter. If Russell is an elite shooter than so is Covington, but neither are.
50/40/90 guys are elite shooters.
Russell is 43/37/78 his BEST year and 42/35/76 for his career.
Jedzz wrote:Maybe we should just trade Wiggins for Kevin Love stright up.
Jedzz wrote:Maybe we should just trade Wiggins for Kevin Love stright up.
minimus wrote:UTA: Gobert-Mitchell-Conley
HOU: Cappella-Harden-CP3
LAC: Kawhi-PG13-Lou Williams
POR: Whiteside-McCullom-Dame
LAL: AD-LeBron-Cousins
DAL: Porzingis-Doncic
DEN: Jokic-Murray-Millsap
GSW: Curry-Dray-Russell (Klay)
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Klomp wrote:minimus wrote:UTA: Gobert-Mitchell-Conley
HOU: Cappella-Harden-CP3
LAC: Kawhi-PG13-Lou Williams
POR: Whiteside-McCullom-Dame
LAL: AD-LeBron-Cousins
DAL: Porzingis-Doncic
DEN: Jokic-Murray-Millsap
GSW: Curry-Dray-Russell (Klay)
minimus wrote:Another thing that makes me think about trading Wiggins is that with Kawhi and PG13 coming to very good managed LAC organisation, they kind of are the last puzzle of power map in West.
UTA: Gobert-Mitchell-Conley
HOU: Cappella-Harden-CP3
LAC: Kawhi-PG13-Lou Williams
POR: Whiteside-McCullom-Dame
LAL: AD-LeBron-Cousins
DAL: Porzingis-Doncic-WIGGINS
DEN: Jokic-Murray-Millsap
GSW: Curry-Dray-Russell (Klay)
Thats 8 teams who have advantage in experience, talent and coaching. We have KAT and Wiggins, no starting caliber PG, no quality PF, we expect improvements from Culver (rookie), Okogie, KBD (2nd yr players). More I am thinking about it, more I am concerned.
minimus wrote:Another thing that makes me think about trading Wiggins is that with Kawhi and PG13 coming to very good managed LAC organisation, they kind of are the last puzzle of power map in West.
UTA: Gobert-Mitchell-Conley (27-22-31)
HOU: Cappella-Harden-CP3 (25-29-34)
LAC: Kawhi-PG13-Lou Williams (28-29-32)
POR: Whiteside-McCullom-Dame (30-27-29)
LAL: AD-LeBron-Cousins (26-34-28)
DAL: Porzingis-Doncic (23-20)
DEN: Jokic-Murray-Millsap (24-22-34)
GSW: Curry-Dray-Russell-Klay (31-29-23-29)
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Klomp wrote:minimus wrote:Another thing that makes me think about trading Wiggins is that with Kawhi and PG13 coming to very good managed LAC organisation, they kind of are the last puzzle of power map in West.
UTA: Gobert-Mitchell-Conley (27-22-31)
HOU: Cappella-Harden-CP3 (25-29-34)
LAC: Kawhi-PG13-Lou Williams (28-29-32)
POR: Whiteside-McCullom-Dame (30-27-29)
LAL: AD-LeBron-Cousins (26-34-28)
DAL: Porzingis-Doncic (23-20)
DEN: Jokic-Murray-Millsap (24-22-34)
GSW: Curry-Dray-Russell-Klay (31-29-23-29)
That's actually why I DON'T trade Wiggins.
Like you said, the West is loaded right now with experienced stars. Trading Wiggins right now probably isn't going to change that for us. Adding one 30-year old isn't going to vault us to the top of the list. What could change it is the chance that Wiggins develops into stardom. It may not be a high likelihood, but I'd rather bet on that than to take a chance on using up assets to trade for someone like Westbrook.
Our "big three" right now is 23-24-20. Most of the teams ahead of us don't have such high-level talent that young that they can develop to sustain being one of the power teams in the west 5-10 years down the road.
KGdaBom wrote:Worm Guts wrote:Russell isn’t an elite scorer, you have to consider his efficiency which was average at best.
I don't think to be an elite scorer requires being efficient. You just need to be one of the top ten in the league at something IMO to be elite at it. 21.1 gets him into a tie for 24th. IMO not elite unless one has a very loose take on the term.
shrink wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Worm Guts wrote:Russell isn’t an elite scorer, you have to consider his efficiency which was average at best.
I don't think to be an elite scorer requires being efficient. You just need to be one of the top ten in the league at something IMO to be elite at it. 21.1 gets him into a tie for 24th. IMO not elite unless one has a very loose take on the term.
Andrew Wiggins was 11th in scoring two years ago with 1933 points. Is he an elite scorer?
minimus wrote:Another thing that makes me think about trading Wiggins is that with Kawhi and PG13 coming to very good managed LAC organisation, they kind of are the last puzzle of power map in West.
UTA: Gobert-Mitchell-Conley
HOU: Cappella-Harden-CP3
LAC: Kawhi-PG13-Lou Williams
POR: Whiteside-McCullom-Dame
LAL: AD-LeBron-Cousins
DAL: Porzingis-Doncic
DEN: Jokic-Murray-Millsap
GSW: Curry-Dray-Russell (Klay)
Thats 8 teams who have advantage in experience, talent and coaching. We have KAT and Wiggins, no starting caliber PG, no quality PF, we expect improvements from Culver (rookie), Okogie, KBD (2nd yr players). More I am thinking about it, more I am concerned.
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