Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[Mattya]

Butler was already very low for me. But what he did today? Made me lose all respect towards him.

All the talent in the world but with that kind of attitude? I don't care if you're a top 10~15 whatever player, if you can't give respect to your teammates. You're not a leader. (Again, don't compare his ugly attitude with KG. They're not even in the same league, KG is waaaaay more better than that punk)

All that hard work and effort to be a good player and earning a lot of money still didn't change his character.
You really can't buy class.

Interesting.

I can see you're the type of player & person that wouldn't offend teammates, family members, etc. even if it's the truth; which is fine, everyone has their own personality and I respect that.

For example, if a family member of mine was drinking or eating a toxic substance (and knew it wasn't good for them), I'm going to speak up because I care about that person - even if it offends them because it's the truth. The same would go for a sports teammate. If my teammate wasn't working in the gym to become the best player he could be, or isn't playing the game the right way, or is having mental lapses - I'm going to speak up because I care about the player and the team - even if it offends the person because it's the truth.

I love what he did and I understand his reasoning behind it. Maybe it's because I'm very competitive and hard-nosed type of person myself, and I would want someone to be truthful & bold to me the same way if wasn't doing the right thing, playing up to par, etc. I would love Butler as a teammate, but I understand some people wouldn't.

We should respect players, and people for who they are and their differences.

So in this scenario you have asked to leave your family because of this family members problem, then go to the family cookout to then scream at that person after going and arguing with family through Facebook? Then after words setting up an interview on the news about why your family member should quit the toxic substance?

[Domejandro]

Jimmy Butler has not at all been upfront and "honest" throughout this process; I reject that notion entirely.

[Mattya]

Jimmy Butler has not at all been upfront and "honest" throughout this process; I reject that notion entirely.

But why would he lie to ESPN like that? He must really care about Wiggins and Towns a lot to do that.

[Jedzz]

Comparing Love and Butler trade requests are night and day. Worst thing Love did during his actual trade request was go to a Red Sox game. Never bickered on social media about teammates. He might not have liked them, but find me an ESPN interview of him saying Beasley and Martin not playing hard. Constant looming contract negotiate happen with every player. Find me any instance of a player demanding out a week before training camp. You can look back at the trade in hindsight of what Wiggins and the rest of the trade became, but there is no doubt our return at the time was one of the best any team trading a star returned. Now imagine if Love waited til a week before training camp and screamed at teammates when he had to fulfil his contract. Love had his own issues you can criticize, but it sure wasn’t how he handled the trade request, especially in comparison to Butler.

I want the Wolves to get the best package for Butler, relationship is too fractured at this point. But that best package better not be taking on other teams garbage contracts. Butler’s antics today only hurt the Wolves more, if he hurts them enough, then I don’t see why they shouldn’t hit back harder and refuse to trade him at all.

Demands a trade a week before training camp when teams are preparing for the season to start, then he is mad they didn’t trade him the first week, and second week, and now a month to trade him? Idk sounds a little self absorbed to me.

We can disagree on what Love was doing back when. I think we have different views or memories of all he was doing. We don't need to agree on that to discuss what Butler has done. Because I agree with you that forcing it right before the season hurts the team badly.

Here's the thing. We don't know facts about when he first requested a trade. There are rumors he asked Thibs to get to work on a trade before the summer started. I don't find that unbelievable. The playoffs had just went down and the core two youngings didn't show well enough. The other rumor was that Thibs just blew off early requests for trade hoping for cooler heads later to prevail. Lack of communication all summer and surprise, Butler's head erupts the very moment rumors surface that Towns has been holding out signing his deal with ultimatums that include Jimmy's removal.

I don't think those rumors of events are unbelievable or impossible. And if they are wholly or partly true, I can see why Butler erupted when he did now. He has many things to lose if he's forced to wait until the deadline for a last minute trade and it's well known they would have. Not to mention being forced to play part of the season with a team with starters that don't want him or likewise. If he walks at the end of the year he loses his bird rights as has been talked about plenty. There are reasons to force it now that no doubt have to do with him and his career and he's obviously decided he is important to himself and this team has done something that makes him not care what this does to them. It's not ideal. I agree.

I also hope they get a good package in return. I don't want to see him stay unless he's staying resigned and happy here.

[Domejandro]

Jimmy Butler has not at all been upfront and "honest" throughout this process; I reject that notion entirely.

But why would he lie to ESPN like that? He must really care about Wiggins and Towns a lot to do that.

He isn't lying to ESPN, he is utilizing them as a mechanism to control the narrative, much like he has done his entire career.

[Jedzz]

Need to watch that whole interview yet.

[King Malta]

Jimmy could set a group of orphans on fire and stomp them out in the middle of the Target Center and there would still be posters in here making excuses for him

[Jedzz]

Butler was already very low for me. But what he did today? Made me lose all respect towards him.

All the talent in the world but with that kind of attitude? I don't care if you're a top 10~15 whatever player, if you can't give respect to your teammates. You're not a leader. (Again, don't compare his ugly attitude with KG. They're not even in the same league, KG is waaaaay more better than that punk)

All that hard work and effort to be a good player and earning a lot of money still didn't change his character.
You really can't buy class.

Interesting.

I can see you're the type of player & person that wouldn't offend teammates, family members, etc. even if it's the truth; which is fine, everyone has their own personality and I respect that.

For example, if a family member of mine was drinking or eating a toxic substance (and knew it wasn't good for them), I'm going to speak up because I care about that person - even if it offends them because it's the truth. The same would go for a sports teammate. If my teammate wasn't working in the gym to become the best player he could be, or isn't playing the game the right way, or is having mental lapses - I'm going to speak up because I care about the player and the team - even if it offends the person because it's the truth.

I love what he did and I understand his reasoning behind it. Maybe it's because I'm very competitive and hard-nosed type of person myself, and I would want someone to be truthful & bold to me the same way if wasn't doing the right thing, playing up to par, etc. I would love Butler as a teammate, but I understand some people wouldn't.

We should respect players, and people for who they are and their differences.

So in this scenario you have asked to leave your family because of this family members problem, then go to the family cookout to then scream at that person after going and arguing with family through Facebook? Then after words setting up an interview on the news about why your family member should quit the toxic substance?

ah. I thought Loyal[]Wolf had a great take and was being understanding to those that don't handle such confrontations well. Your further dive into the family example was a funny exercise though. Yes no that would not fly.

However we know these things aren't to be compared apples to apples. You cannot choose your family, and most of the time you would be worse off having never had them. It turns out some players can leverage a choice in their team. And if you can, more power to you. We all wish it was a more graceful exit or that the team had gotten along better.

[Klomp]

This is were critical think should be kicking in. Taylor was willing to spend 10 mil a season on Bazz, 17 for Dieng, 30 for Wiggins, millions on the Target Center,, but now he isn’t willing to sign Butler?

I learned this from Shrink, they couldn't sign Jimmy to what he wanted because we needed to shed contracts to make cap space, but we didn't

This is 100% accurate.

Only teams under the cap can renegotiate a contract, and the salary in the then-current season can be increased only to the extent that the team has room under the cap (and cannot increase the player's salary beyond the maximum salary). - CBA FAQ #59

He wanted his deal renegotiated to a max contract. For a player with 7 years of NBA experience like Jimmy Butler, that contract starts at $30,560,700. That means in order to legally offer that max extension, Minnesota would've needed $10,114,921 in cap space to bump him up from his current negotiated salary to the maximum. And that doesn't just mean get rid of Gibson's $14 million and that's it....it means Minnesota would need to be at $91,754,079 in team salaries on the books just to get the max extension done. With Minnesota's current cap situation, that would mean cutting $32,801,304 in salary to fit him in. Take away all of the free agent and rookie deals signed this summer, we're still at $109,080,549 for 8 players. Almost $18 million still to clear just to get the Butler extension on the books, not to mention you still have to fill out half of the roster.

[Klomp]

We should respect players, and people for who they are and their differences.

So you call everything Butler did today respect?

[packforfreedom]

Jimmy is quickly becoming my least favorite player. I mean in what world is this behavior okay? Can you imagine being around someone who acts like this? He's hurting the team on purpose now and this is also on Thibs for letting this happen.
It's all such a mess.

[southern wolf]

Jimmy is quickly becoming my least favorite player. I mean in what world is this behavior okay? Can you imagine being around someone who acts like this? He's hurting the team on purpose now and this is also on Thibs for letting this happen.
It's all such a mess.

At the same time... I want this team to win and he's right, we can't win without him.

I honestly don't know what to expect next in this soap opera.

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[packforfreedom]

I think Glen has to intervene. Thibs has lost all control and Butler won't stop until he's traded. Replace Thibs with someone who can create a good environment and suspend Butler for acting diametral to the team. Then trade him asap or even waive him. But do something. Only a clown franchise would let this happen unanswered.

[minimus]

I think Glen has to intervene. Thibs has lost all control and Butler won't stop until he's traded. Replace Thibs with someone who can create a good environment and suspend Butler for acting diametral to the team. Then trade him asap or even waive him. But do something. Only a clown franchise would let this happen unanswered.

The problem is that HOU and MIA now must think twice before trading for Butler. Okay, HOU probably less, because it is one year window anyway.

[minimus]

[KGdaBom]

If he's still here past friday...we're gonna see if he really meant his words if the rumors of his "deadline" are true

Five Reasons Sports Network (Miami) isn't an accurate source. So, expect him to still be here.

Five reasons is a joke. They are trying to make news not report it.

[Indomitable]

Mark Jackson doesn't approve of Butler today. Said it was calculated and Jimmy has to learn how to be a better leader.

He is right and I respect him for telling the truth.

[Indomitable]

Jimmy Butler has not at all been upfront and "honest" throughout this process; I reject that notion entirely.

But why would he lie to ESPN like that? He must really care about Wiggins and Towns a lot to do that.

Jimmy is a great ball baller
Jimmy works his ass off
Jimmy is a self serving jerk who loves himself

All of these things are true.

Jimmy has one big contract coming and he will want the 190. Keep him and he will stay for the money in my opinion.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

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Haha. No chill