2023 summer league

KGdaBom · Post #241 » by **KGdaBom** » Sat Jul 8, 2023 3:56 pm

cmoss84 wrote:Victor is really good.just like chet

His Debut in SL was underwhelming.

KGdaBom · Post #242 » by **KGdaBom** » Sat Jul 8, 2023 3:59 pm

Summer League tickets are now sold out for the 8th and 9th. I'm arriving on the 10th and hoping to buy $35 senior tickets. if I buy online now they don't do senior pricing and they have $25 in fees per ticket making my price $70 per ticket. This sucks. I'm going to wait until I get there and hope there are tickets remaining. If not I will buy from scalpers. I would rather they get the money than TicketMaster and those type of services.

TheZachAttack · Post #243 » by **TheZachAttack** » Sat Jul 8, 2023 4:26 pm

I was watching some highlights of the rookies so far and after not really loving what I was reading about profiles I was blown away by watching Amen Thompson on the court. He's an insane athlete and I love his passing/feel and aggressiveness of pushing pace and collapsing defenses. He also seemed like he had some surprising touch although he wasn't doing the technical things you should maybe be doing. I think he's going to be awesome... if he's a decent shooter he will be a star.

Neeva · Post #244 » by **Neeva** » Sat Jul 8, 2023 4:55 pm

jpatrick wrote:Regarding non-Wolves:

Scoot and Thompson will be good. Scoot is everything you want in a PG. but I’ve seen him before. Thompson I had not. He can’t shoot, but his athleticism is incredible. He may be the best athlete in the NBA from day one.

Victor will be fine. The skills/athleticism at that size are incredible. He’s still a future superstar. Even if game 1 wasn’t awesome.

Brandon Miller is okay. I think he’ll be good but I just don’t see superstar. Brandon Ingram is the ceiling, but I don’t know if he hits that. Ingram had better physical size/length.

Dyson Daniels: ugh. I was really high on him coming into the draft. I thought he could become an Lonzo Ball type off the ball PG who is an elite defender. He may still become an elite defender but that offense is rough. He has no confidence in the jumper. And with people able to sag off him, he doesn’t have the quickness/handle to get by people. That led him to forcing everything. It was ugly on the offensive end.

Last note, that Rockets/Blazers game was fun. So much young talent. I think Scoot is the best young guy on those teams but the Rockets have so many young guys that pop. Smith, Eason, Thompson, Sengun, Green. If either Thomson or Green can be one an offensive hub/superstar and they get a rim protector, that’s a real core.

I was high on Green in the draft and don’t see a superstar anymore, Thompson is like a taller westbrook but even worse shooter.

jpatrick · Post #245 » by **jpatrick** » Sat Jul 8, 2023 5:00 pm

Neeva wrote:
jpatrick wrote:Regarding non-Wolves:

Scoot and Thompson will be good. Scoot is everything you want in a PG. but I’ve seen him before. Thompson I had not. He can’t shoot, but his athleticism is incredible. He may be the best athlete in the NBA from day one.

Victor will be fine. The skills/athleticism at that size are incredible. He’s still a future superstar. Even if game 1 wasn’t awesome.

Brandon Miller is okay. I think he’ll be good but I just don’t see superstar. Brandon Ingram is the ceiling, but I don’t know if he hits that. Ingram had better physical size/length.

Dyson Daniels: ugh. I was really high on him coming into the draft. I thought he could become an Lonzo Ball type off the ball PG who is an elite defender. He may still become an elite defender but that offense is rough. He has no confidence in the jumper. And with people able to sag off him, he doesn’t have the quickness/handle to get by people. That led him to forcing everything. It was ugly on the offensive end.

Last note, that Rockets/Blazers game was fun. So much young talent. I think Scoot is the best young guy on those teams but the Rockets have so many young guys that pop. Smith, Eason, Thompson, Sengun, Green. If either Thomson or Green can be one an offensive hub/superstar and they get a rim protector, that’s a real core.

I was high on Green in the draft and don’t see a superstar anymore, Thompson is like a taller westbrook but even worse shooter.

Thompson is a Westbrook level athlete, but he is an amazing passer with a really high level feel for the game, things Westbrook doesn’t have. And he’s also, probably, going to be a high level defender. For him to be a star, the shooting has to come around though. I could see him becoming a Grant Hill like playmaker.

Post #246 » by **Clav** » Sat Jul 8, 2023 8:06 pm

I wanted to drop by and mention Leonard Miller played great, you guys know this already but that was a savvy trade and his first game looks pretty solid.

Post #247 » by **Domejandro** » Sat Jul 8, 2023 11:41 pm

I said it pre-Draft, but Brandon Miller's realistic ceiling to me feels like Danny Granger.

Neeva · Post #248 » by **Neeva** » Sun Jul 9, 2023 12:26 am

Charlotte messed up big time not taking Scoot and flipping him for a star or keeping him and flipping Lamelo. Now they will waste a few seasons waiting for Miller to turn into a good player.

If if I was a pistons fan I’d be really worried about Ivey, he does not look good. Also Wiseman playing summer league the same summer that, Lamelo, Haliburton, etc got their super max, ouch.

younggunsmn · Post #249 » by **younggunsmn** » Sun Jul 9, 2023 4:24 am

jpatrick wrote:
Neeva wrote:
jpatrick wrote:Regarding non-Wolves:

Scoot and Thompson will be good. Scoot is everything you want in a PG. but I’ve seen him before. Thompson I had not. He can’t shoot, but his athleticism is incredible. He may be the best athlete in the NBA from day one.

Victor will be fine. The skills/athleticism at that size are incredible. He’s still a future superstar. Even if game 1 wasn’t awesome.

Brandon Miller is okay. I think he’ll be good but I just don’t see superstar. Brandon Ingram is the ceiling, but I don’t know if he hits that. Ingram had better physical size/length.

Dyson Daniels: ugh. I was really high on him coming into the draft. I thought he could become an Lonzo Ball type off the ball PG who is an elite defender. He may still become an elite defender but that offense is rough. He has no confidence in the jumper. And with people able to sag off him, he doesn’t have the quickness/handle to get by people. That led him to forcing everything. It was ugly on the offensive end.

Last note, that Rockets/Blazers game was fun. So much young talent. I think Scoot is the best young guy on those teams but the Rockets have so many young guys that pop. Smith, Eason, Thompson, Sengun, Green. If either Thomson or Green can be one an offensive hub/superstar and they get a rim protector, that’s a real core.

I was high on Green in the draft and don’t see a superstar anymore, Thompson is like a taller westbrook but even worse shooter.

Thompson is a Westbrook level athlete, but he is an amazing passer with a really high level feel for the game, things Westbrook doesn’t have. And he’s also, probably, going to be a high level defender. For him to be a star, the shooting has to come around though. I could see him becoming a Grant Hill like playmaker.

Westbrook averaged a triple double for a season 4 different times, including 31-10-10, I'd say he had a feel for the game.
The big dropoff has come with age and a decline in physical skills, including inexplicably losing the ability to shoot free throws after being an 80%+ FT shooter for 10 years (vivid fantasy basketball memories on that particular subject lol).

If Thompson really is that level of athlete, he's going to be the guy Houston builds around, even if he can't shoot.
It's easy to forget just how top 1/10 of 1 percent level athletic a young westbrook was when making those kinds of comparisons though.

KGdaBom · Post #250 » by **KGdaBom** » Sun Jul 9, 2023 12:39 pm

younggunsmn wrote:
jpatrick wrote:
Neeva wrote:
I was high on Green in the draft and don’t see a superstar anymore, Thompson is like a taller westbrook but even worse shooter.

Thompson is a Westbrook level athlete, but he is an amazing passer with a really high level feel for the game, things Westbrook doesn’t have. And he’s also, probably, going to be a high level defender. For him to be a star, the shooting has to come around though. I could see him becoming a Grant Hill like playmaker.

Westbrook averaged a triple double for a season 4 different times, including 31-10-10, I'd say he had a feel for the game.
The big dropoff has come with age and a decline in physical skills, including inexplicably losing the ability to shoot free throws after being an 80%+ FT shooter for 10 years (vivid fantasy basketball memories on that particular subject lol).

If Thompson really is that level of athlete, he's going to be the guy Houston builds around, even if he can't shoot.
It's easy to forget just how top 1/10 of 1 percent level athletic a young westbrook was when making those kinds of comparisons though.

I almost responded to Westbrook's feel for the game, but I waited and let you do it so much better than me.

KGdaBom · Post #251 » by **KGdaBom** » Sun Jul 9, 2023 12:40 pm

My gamble on not buying SL tickets on line so far so good. Still tickets available for Monday, Wednesday and Thursday and I'll get them for half the price at the venue as I could order them online. Fingers crossed and hoping I didn't jinx it.

minimus · Post #252 » by **minimus** » Sun Jul 9, 2023 12:52 pm

Watch on YouTube

I know he is an undersized scoring guard, who looks better in SL because he already played against NBA competition. He can struggle to score consistently against NBA defense, but he has his ability to operate in tight space, make smart reads (not only flashy), finish through contact. I think this combination of skills, basketball IQ can push to the next level.

TimberKat · Post #253 » by **TimberKat** » Sun Jul 9, 2023 2:07 pm

minimus wrote:https://youtu.be/iFKs2DaeoGg

https://youtu.be/FZNdlo9NgYU

https://youtu.be/IhXKB-J-9xk

I know he is an undersized scoring guard, who looks better in SL because he already played against NBA competition. He can struggle to score consistently against NBA defense, but he has his ability to operate in tight space, make smart reads (not only flashy), finish through contact. I think this combination of skills, basketball IQ can push to the next level.

He is listed as 6'2". Maybe he can replace JMcL or Moore on the roster. His shooting stats were terrible. Any chance he develope into a reasonable shooter?

wolves_89 · Post #254 » by **wolves_89** » Sun Jul 9, 2023 3:16 pm

TimberKat wrote:
minimus wrote:https://youtu.be/iFKs2DaeoGg

https://youtu.be/FZNdlo9NgYU

https://youtu.be/IhXKB-J-9xk

I know he is an undersized scoring guard, who looks better in SL because he already played against NBA competition. He can struggle to score consistently against NBA defense, but he has his ability to operate in tight space, make smart reads (not only flashy), finish through contact. I think this combination of skills, basketball IQ can push to the next level.

He is listed as 6'2". Maybe he can replace JMcL or Moore on the roster. His shooting stats were terrible. Any chance he develope into a reasonable shooter?

I can't see Williams replacing anyone on the Wolves roster, but he could have a chance at the last two-way deal.

BlacJacMac · Post #255 » by **BlacJacMac** » Sun Jul 9, 2023 3:35 pm

TimberKat wrote:
minimus wrote:https://youtu.be/iFKs2DaeoGg

https://youtu.be/FZNdlo9NgYU

https://youtu.be/IhXKB-J-9xk

I know he is an undersized scoring guard, who looks better in SL because he already played against NBA competition. He can struggle to score consistently against NBA defense, but he has his ability to operate in tight space, make smart reads (not only flashy), finish through contact. I think this combination of skills, basketball IQ can push to the next level.

He is listed as 6'2". Maybe he can replace JMcL or Moore on the roster. His shooting stats were terrible. Any chance he develope into a reasonable shooter?

He shot poorly (37/29/70) in 600 NBA minutes in 21-22, but he's been much better in the G League the past 2 season 46/36 from the field both years and 85 and 75 from the line.

minimus · Post #256 » by **minimus** » Sun Jul 9, 2023 6:53 pm

In other news: my guys Cason Wallace and Jarace Walker look very good.

jpatrick · Post #257 » by **jpatrick** » Sun Jul 9, 2023 8:02 pm

minimus wrote:In other news: my guys Cason Wallace and Jarace Walker look very good.

Didn’t see the game but Wallace put up good numbers. He profiles as a really nice fit next to SGA, a high IQ, defensive PG that can hit the 3.

If he pops, OKC has so many guards: Giddey, Wallace, Micic, Mann, Williams along with other wings like Dort and Dieng . Between that depth, their treasure trove of first round picks, and KAT’s fit next to Chet, I see them as a prime KAT destination if we’re struggling at the trade deadline.

Neeva · Post #258 » by **Neeva** » Sun Jul 9, 2023 10:08 pm

minimus wrote:In other news: my guys Cason Wallace and Jarace Walker look very good.

You thought Walker looked good? He looks much shorter than his listed height.

Neeva · Post #259 » by **Neeva** » Sun Jul 9, 2023 10:09 pm

It’s obvious Charlotte got lucky that Golden State passed on Lamelo. The Hornets drafting has been horrible all their lotto picks look beyond undewhelming (besides Lamelo).

jpatrick · Post #260 » by **jpatrick** » Sun Jul 9, 2023 11:20 pm

Jabari Smith has take a huge leap. And that frame and as young as he still is, he’s going to be a monster. I don’t think he has the creation ability to be a #1 on a good team, but he’s going to be one heck of a #2 or #3 on a great team.