Andrew Wiggins and the wolves future

[yawner]

It's been said on numerous MN Sports Podcasts, but Miami come across as a team who'd be arrogant enough to believe that they could fix Andrew Wiggins. I'd be speaking to Riley to see his interest in a trade, I feel like we wouldn't need to give up a significant asset to make it happen either.

The Toronto theory also makes some sense IMO, although I agree with Domejandro in that Toronto probably wouldn't take him without getting a decent asset. If Toronto have to blow it up, having a home town boy (and let's be honest, great tank commander) coming in for a couple of years while they rebuild isn't a disaster. Collect a couple of picks, kick the tires on Wiggins and if he doesn't improve you'll only have a couple of seasons left on his deal, making it much more movable at that point.

I wouldn´t trade Wiggins for other bad contracts (Miami) if nothing desirable is received in exchange. I mean, what would the goal and the sense be? I would rather have Wiggins´ bad contract than other random players´bad contracts. I understand the value of chopping the monstrous contract into more managable and tradeable toxic contracts. But as silly as it might sound after years of disappointments, Wiggins still has potencial that has not been unlocked by the preposterous coaches that led his development as a player.

[shrink]

It's been said on numerous MN Sports Podcasts, but Miami come across as a team who'd be arrogant enough to believe that they could fix Andrew Wiggins. I'd be speaking to Riley to see his interest in a trade, I feel like we wouldn't need to give up a significant asset to make it happen either.

The Toronto theory also makes some sense IMO, although I agree with Domejandro in that Toronto probably wouldn't take him without getting a decent asset. If Toronto have to blow it up, having a home town boy (and let's be honest, great tank commander) coming in for a couple of years while they rebuild isn't a disaster. Collect a couple of picks, kick the tires on Wiggins and if he doesn't improve you'll only have a couple of seasons left on his deal, making it much more movable at that point.

I wouldn´t trade Wiggins for other bad contracts (Miami) if nothing desirable is received in exchange. I mean, what would the goal and the sense be? I would rather have Wiggins´ bad contract than other random players´bad contracts. I understand the value of chopping the monstrous contract into more managable and tradeable toxic contracts. But as silly as it might sound after years of disappointments, Wiggins still has potencial that has not been unlocked by the preposterous coaches that led his development as a player.

The Heat offer might only be Dion Waiters and James Johnson. Both are certainly back ups, and may become unplayable. Together, they are owed about the same as Wiggins the next two years, but then MIN would be out of Wiggin’s final two years. I don’t think MIA would include anything to get the deal done - they might even request an asset from MIN.

I agree with you, and I wouldn’t do this deal for MIN either. The price may be okay (maybe), but the direction is wrong. MIN has so many positions, starters and back ups, that need upgrades, that they need to hold onto anything with upside - Waiters and Johnson are going the wrong way.

As much as Wiggins frustrates me, I think we will continue to hold onto him, because we can’t afford to move him for anything positive. He can’t get worse. Later, when his contract is shorter, then we might be able to move him at a price that isn’t as bad.

[Klomp]

Rosas talked with Barreiro a decent amount about Wiggins, here's a sampling...

-Scouted him in HS at the Hoops Summit, saw a special talent. Lots of physical tools, upside. To this point, hasn't gotten there.
-Going to invest every resource possible into making Wiggins successful here.
-Hard to imagine finding player on market with as much talent and physical tools at his age.
-Will be one of biggest responsibilities here, anything and everything to make him successful
-Takes time. Guys find themselves at different periods.
-More stable environment. Need to get him enjoying basketball again.
-Opportunity to be a special player. Very committed to his success and making him the best player he can be.
-Has to do it his way, as long as it contributes to winning and is within the system.
-Players league, it's up to them.
-Anything we can do to help him be successful, we're going to do it.

[Jedzz]

Well at least finally someone is admitting it out loud and that effort and resources also are going to have to be put into this to try and make it happen. No more pointing at 6th youngest to 6000pts and resting on that. I like that he's willing to talk about it and let us know he plans on doing something about it. Shows we aren't trying to hide it and just hope others don't notice. Also sounds more positive to me if he does intend to keep him to at least get real about it. Meanwhile drops some pressure on the kid to do his part.

[Nick K]

Rosas talked with Barreiro a decent amount about Wiggins, here's a sampling...

-Scouted him in HS at the Hoops Summit, saw a special talent. Lots of physical tools, upside. To this point, hasn't gotten there.
-Going to invest every resource possible into making Wiggins successful here.
-Hard to imagine finding player on market with as much talent and physical tools at his age.
-Will be one of biggest responsibilities here, anything and everything to make him successful
-Takes time. Guys find themselves at different periods.
-More stable environment. Need to get him enjoying basketball again.
-Opportunity to be a special player. Very committed to his success and making him the best player he can be.
-Has to do it his way, as long as it contributes to winning and is within the system.
-Players league, it's up to them.
-Anything we can do to help him be successful, we're going to do it.

I heard the interview too and that is a great synopsis. We finally have leadership that is first rate. It makes all the sense in the world to do everything you can do to improve Wiggins play internally. Players sometimes take longer than others to come into their own. If there is a way to get to Wiggins, Rosas will find it. I'm convinced of that.

It makes no sense to me giving him away or exchanging him for another bad contract.

[AirP.]

As much as I dislike Wiggins and his effort level, this is at least encouraging...

Read on Twitter

[King Malta]

As much as I dislike Wiggins and his effort level, this is at least encouraging...

Read on Twitter

Hopefully he understands the crossroads he's currently at; we're in do or die territory for him now.

[Jedzz]

As much as I dislike Wiggins and his effort level, this is at least encouraging...

Read on Twitter

Hopefully he understands the crossroads he's currently at; we're in do or die territory for him now.

From that tweet.

How is he this thin? Look at those arms. You would think that would take a hunger strike and a trek across a desert to whither like that. Start pounding the calories into him and build him some mass. Enough of this strength training for skinny jeans.



Maybe see if he wants to take up rock climbing as well. I imagine it would help his grip on the ball.

While you are at it, ship him to Russia's cold regions and have him throw large tires around so he learns the eye of the tiger.

[Klomp]

From that tweet.

How is he this thin? Look at those arms. You would think that would take a hunger strike and a trek across a desert to whither like that. Start pounding the calories into him and build him some mass. Enough of this strength training for skinny jeans.

Why I've been trying to end the narrative that he's a SF and needs to be matched up with other SFs. At this point, he's still got a SG's body, and atually has a height/length advantage against many SGs.

[King Malta]

He's put on very little size since he entered the league, which is as much of an indictment on previous coaches/front offices as it is him in my opinion.

Regardless of who gets the coaching job, it will be the first pre-season that they and the new front office will be in control of. It's crucial that they get Wiggins to put on some muscle.

[TheDominator273]

He's put on very little size since he entered the league, which is as much of an indictment on previous coaches/front offices as it is him in my opinion.

Regardless of who gets the coaching job, it will be the first pre-season that they and the new front office will be in control of. It's crucial that they get Wiggins to put on some muscle.

He's clearly muscular but he needs to adjust his diet and workout regimen to build some bull rather than lean muscle.

[Mattya]

I read from one of the beat writers that the Wolves have had very little input into who/how Wiggins works out in the offseason. That is very disappointing on both ends.

[vagelis]

Wiggins needs to work his body a lot and especially his arms.
His arms are not acceptable for an nba athlete.
He needs to work a lot with weight lifting and add some weight in his body.
Giannis was skinnier than Wiggins when he came to the league but he had the desire to work and transformed his body.
Wiggins seems that he wants to remain skinny but he needs to understand that he has to change that

[packforfreedom]

Wiggins needs to work his body a lot and especially his arms.
His arms are not acceptable for an nba athlete.
He needs to work a lot with weight lifting and add some weight in his body.
Giannis was skinnier than Wiggins when he came to the league but he had the desire to work and transformed his body.
Wiggins seems that he wants to remain skinny but he needs to understand that he has to change that

arms are the least important bodyparts in terms of strenght in basketball. Core strenght is a lot more important, but he needs more mass in general as seems like the bodytype that doens't easily put on weight and muscles. Training (core and shoulders), protein (plenty) and carbs (a lot of them) is what he needs.

[minimus]

Wiggins needs to work his body a lot and especially his arms.
His arms are not acceptable for an nba athlete.
He needs to work a lot with weight lifting and add some weight in his body.
Giannis was skinnier than Wiggins when he came to the league but he had the desire to work and transformed his body.
Wiggins seems that he wants to remain skinny but he needs to understand that he has to change that

arms are the least important bodyparts in terms of strenght in basketball. Core strenght is a lot more important, but he needs more mass in general as seems like the bodytype that doens't easily put on weight and muscles. Training (core and shoulders), protein (plenty) and carbs (a lot of them) is what he needs.

I guess vagelis indicated that Wiggins get stripped in layups way too often which is a sign of weak arms. That is true. I also think Wiggins lacks core body strength to score absorb contact and score at rim. He also rarely uses Butlers style physical layups where jimmy shield ball with his body and overpower smaller opponent.

[vagelis]

Wiggins needs to work his body a lot and especially his arms.
His arms are not acceptable for an nba athlete.
He needs to work a lot with weight lifting and add some weight in his body.
Giannis was skinnier than Wiggins when he came to the league but he had the desire to work and transformed his body.
Wiggins seems that he wants to remain skinny but he needs to understand that he has to change that

arms are the least important bodyparts in terms of strenght in basketball. Core strenght is a lot more important, but he needs more mass in general as seems like the bodytype that doens't easily put on weight and muscles. Training (core and shoulders), protein (plenty) and carbs (a lot of them) is what he needs.

I guess vagelis indicated that Wiggins get stripped in layups way too often which is a sign of weak arms. That is true. I also think Wiggins lacks core body strength to score absorb contact and score at rim. He also rarely uses Butlers style physical layups where jimmy shield ball with his body and overpower smaller opponent.

Arms are important for basketball. I agree with minimus that weak arms affect layups but I have to add that affect defense, rebounding and physical game in general.
Wiggins has strong core and strong legs. In fact his core strength is extraordinary comparing with his skinny figure. He can push heavier opponents with his core. But his arms are weak and I think that affects his game.
I think he has to add around 5 kg of muscles in his body. He has to work all the body but give a little bit extra attention in to arms.

[Killboard]

I read from one of the beat writers that the Wolves have had very little input into who/how Wiggins works out in the offseason. That is very disappointing on both ends.

If it is true, then is a major reason to trade him. I mean, there is several reasons to do that. But if willingness to be guided is a issue while underperforming so bad, then nothing is going to change.

I'm against trading away lotto picks, but if we can get a bad contract attached to some kind of upside, and this is true, Im doing it. If not, start Okogie right off the bat.

[packforfreedom]

arms are the least important bodyparts in terms of strenght in basketball. Core strenght is a lot more important, but he needs more mass in general as seems like the bodytype that doens't easily put on weight and muscles. Training (core and shoulders), protein (plenty) and carbs (a lot of them) is what he needs.

I guess vagelis indicated that Wiggins get stripped in layups way too often which is a sign of weak arms. That is true. I also think Wiggins lacks core body strength to score absorb contact and score at rim. He also rarely uses Butlers style physical layups where jimmy shield ball with his body and overpower smaller opponent.

Arms are important for basketball. I agree with minimus that weak arms affect layups but I have to add that affect defense, rebounding and physical game in general.
Wiggins has strong core and strong legs. In fact his core strength is extraordinary comparing with his skinny figure. He can push heavier opponents with his core. But his arms are weak and I think that affects his game.
I think he has to add around 5 kg of muscles in his body. He has to work all the body but give a little bit extra attention in to arms.

I don't agree. Not losing the ball is part of ball handling, which Wiggins simply don't has.
You talking about upper body strenght which is chest, shoulders, and some triceps.

If you work on these you don't need to train your arms much in addition. Anyway, Wiggins needs to hit the gym hard and shoot threes like a maniac to become a good player in this league. His limitations in terms of ballhandling and court awareness will always hold him back, so he needs to be realistic, which means he needs a stronger frame, a better shot and needs to stop with his pull up 2s, and give effort every game.

[vagelis]

I guess vagelis indicated that Wiggins get stripped in layups way too often which is a sign of weak arms. That is true. I also think Wiggins lacks core body strength to score absorb contact and score at rim. He also rarely uses Butlers style physical layups where jimmy shield ball with his body and overpower smaller opponent.

Arms are important for basketball. I agree with minimus that weak arms affect layups but I have to add that affect defense, rebounding and physical game in general.
Wiggins has strong core and strong legs. In fact his core strength is extraordinary comparing with his skinny figure. He can push heavier opponents with his core. But his arms are weak and I think that affects his game.
I think he has to add around 5 kg of muscles in his body. He has to work all the body but give a little bit extra attention in to arms.

I don't agree. Not losing the ball is part of ball handling, which Wiggins simply don't has.
You talking about upper body strenght which is chest, shoulders, and some triceps.

If you work on these you don't need to train your arms much in addition. Anyway, Wiggins needs to hit the gym hard and shoot threes like a maniac to become a good player in this league. His limitations in terms of ballhandling and court awareness will always hold him back, so he needs to be realistic, which means he needs a stronger frame, a better shot and needs to stop with his pull up 2s, and give effort every game.

Sory, maybe I said it wrong. With arms I mean biceps, triceps and shoulders.
But maybe I used the wrong word and arm is the lower part.
Ball handling is another aspect that he has to work. He has worked on that I think but he needs more. He needs to work a lot into dribling moves crossovers etc. Not only ball handling but go one step farther and develop dribling skills.
And of course shooting. He needs to work a lot shooting after dribling. Not catch and shoot shooting in which he is good.

If i were Wiggins I would focus on these parts and split my training in to 2 parts in summer.
Weight lifting once a day and dribling and shooting after dribling once a day.
And he needs to stop avoiding competition. He needs to take part in the fiba world cup with Canada this year and take part to dunk contest.
Competition is good, makes players better

[Klomp]

I read from one of the beat writers that the Wolves have had very little input into who/how Wiggins works out in the offseason. That is very disappointing on both ends.

If it is true, then is a major reason to trade him. I mean, there is several reasons to do that. But if willingness to be guided is a issue while underperforming so bad, then nothing is going to change.

Had, meaning past tense. I doubt Rosas will be so hands off.