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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#401 » by Sealab2024 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:54 am

Neeva wrote:Hmm are the Christie fans here just gopher fans? maybe it will be like the McDaniels and the younger Bro is the good one? I think if we take him wolves need to trade back. Most mock drafts have him going in the second round. Maybe with Portland? Wolves can get picks 34 and 40 and end up with Christie, Scheiermann and Bona. Then sign Shead when he goes undrafted :D
Add Miller and that one Italian guy, and Clark and I’d be pretty excited for the summer league team.


No. I haven't watched a gopher game since the Dan Munson era. In fact I held that against Cam at first assuming that if he was a gopher there was no way he was any good.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#402 » by minimus » Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:59 am

I have read that Cam Christie has very small hands, not sure if it affects his game.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#403 » by minimus » Fri Jun 14, 2024 11:12 am

I think that once Johnny Furphy gets stronger he will be Joe Ingles type of player. That said, give me Furphy at 27 and Djurisic/Dillon Jones at 37.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#404 » by shangrila » Fri Jun 14, 2024 11:25 am

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Mattya wrote:I’m taking AJ Johnson at 27. I’d probably trade the 2nd rounders unless Christie or Durisic are there.

Johnson is interesting and definitely has a high ceiling but he's likely 3 years away at best. Can we wait that long to start getting production from these picks?

We're already potentially getting squeezed financially now and I doubt anyone has confidence that either Moore or Minott is ready to play a consistent role in our rotation, which essentially makes them wasted picks.


I don't think there are any players in this draft that could come in a play quality minutes for us in year one. Especially with the picks we have. We gotta hope we can bring back Morris, or find some vet minimum guys who already have experience. With that I'm just taking the biggest swings for the future.

I agree, and it seems to be the team's plan as well that every draft pick red shirts their first season.

The difference to me is that I'm more confident someone like Tyson, for example, could step into a role in his 2nd season after acclimating a little to the NBA than AJ Johnson, because the older prospect has already developed his skills and only needs that initial seasoning. As opposed to an upside swing that has to improve both.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#405 » by Sealab2024 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:16 pm

minimus wrote:I have read that Cam Christie has very small hands, not sure if it affects his game.


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Post#406 » by minimus » Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:47 pm

Is Daron Holmes ll a mix between Naz Reid stretching potential and Vando defense?
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Post#407 » by Norseman79 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:15 pm

Could combining 27&37 get you to the teens?
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Post#408 » by moss_is_1 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 11:34 pm

I do think this draft has some pretty interesting prospects around our 2 picks. A lot of PG depth, along with some high level defensive wings and some shooting. I think we can find ourselves 2 contributors for sure.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#409 » by Neeva » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:33 am

If the Pelicans really are shopping the 21st pick, and want some future seconds wolves need to be all over that.
Then hopefully someone good can drop. it’s happened before and players like Maxey, Whitmore etc that I thought were lottery , went in the early 20’s. Maybe wolves can get McCain at 21.
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Post#410 » by Colbinii » Sat Jun 15, 2024 1:51 am

Neeva wrote:If the Pelicans really are shopping the 21st pick, and want some future seconds wolves need to be all over that.
Then hopefully someone good can drop. it’s happened before and players like Maxey, Whitmore etc that I thought were lottery , went in the early 20’s. Maybe wolves can get McCain at 21.


Yeah NOP really could trade #21 for #27+3 2nds and then #27 for another 4+ 2nds and be replenished.
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Post#411 » by KATKlownFeet » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:01 am

Klomp wrote:The "point guards" in this class are not overwhelmingly exciting. Wonder if we lean into the "no true PG" lineups.

I agree. I am not excited about any point guards projected to be available at 27 and 37. The bigs look to have the most upside and we need to grab one or two of them and find someone to groom as a Rudy replacement.

As for point guard, we are better off looking at free agents as for every point guard drafted and making a roster, there is likely another point guard cut. I'm intrigued by TyTy Washington (I wanted him last year) and he had a strong G League showing, really shooting well from 3 (42.6) and having a terrific assists to turnover ratio (8.3 to 2.4), he scored well, had decent boards and was a plus 5.4. I think he was a two way player and if we could sign him, I would. I also like Killian Hayes because he already is proficient as a defender and passer, but needs work on his shooting (but his shooting looked ok pre-draft and maybe Detroit wrecked him a bit), so I'd take a flyer on him.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#412 » by minimus » Sat Jun 15, 2024 11:49 am

Who is this draft Derrick White: 29th pick, 22yo, late bloomer, undersized SG, limited exposure
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Post#413 » by Note30 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:50 pm

Neeva wrote:If the Pelicans really are shopping the 21st pick, and want some future seconds wolves need to be all over that.
Then hopefully someone good can drop. it’s happened before and players like Maxey, Whitmore etc that I thought were lottery , went in the early 20’s. Maybe wolves can get McCain at 21.


Any chance Collier drops that low?
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Post#414 » by minimus » Sat Jun 15, 2024 4:07 pm

I have a few questions. First, can Kolek use Gobert screens the way Conley does? I mean get into pick and roll game, hit pullup threes? Second, can Kolek defend the way Conley does? I mean put 100% effort in every possession. And last, but not least, can Kolek form a highly effective duo with Naz? Let me explain, of all MIN players Naz is the best playing of the catch in flow. He hit catch and shoot threes in rhythm, he immediately put the ball on the floor and attack closeouts the moment he sees an advantage. I honestly believe that our bench can and should play much better. McLaughlin band Naz played great together a few years ago, because McLaughlin is fast paced guard, who pushes tempo. Can Kolek be a better version of McLaughlin?
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#415 » by wolves_89 » Sat Jun 15, 2024 8:29 pm

If the Wolves keep their current picks my bet would be:
#27 Baylor Scheierman or Jaylon Tyson
#37 Ajay Mitchell or KJ Simpson
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#416 » by shangrila » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:00 am

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D.Disu - I don't think he's a true NBA prospect. Too slow for a 4, too small for a 5, not skilled enough offensively and/or defensively to compensate.

S.Jones - I'm not too familiar with him to be honest. Looking at the stats he's a 6-7 forward that averaged 40% from 3 (that's good) but is a career 70% FT shooter, with 3 seasons in the 60s (not good). Like Disu I'd say he's not a serious prospect.

B.Markovic - A raw, lanky Euro with good feel but years away. Similar to the above, not sure I see anything there with him.

A.Reeves - 3pt sniper and not much else. He can attack a bit when he's run off the 3pt line but poor physical tools hurt him on both ends. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a late 2nd rounder who bounces around various 2 ways and G League contracts before disappearing to play overseas.

C.Spencer - Slightly undersized 2 guard but a similar sniper to Reeves. I like Spencer a little more because I think he can do a little more, particularly in terms of passing, and he competes harder on defence. Ultimately don't think he sticks in the league though.

P.Hall - Bit of a tweener big but I get some early career Naz Reid vibes from him. He's a solid prospect that I could see having a long career, especially if his shot pans out, but he's got some concerns defensively which likely pushes him to the mid-2nd at best.


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T.Alexander - 6-4 combo guard with a long wingspan. Was an elite shooter last season in a more catch and shoot role so I'd buy those %s more than this previous season, where he was more on-ball and an off the bounce shooter. Unfortunately not a true PG and lacks a degree of athleticism, causing him issues with getting any sort of separation. He feels a bit like a poor man's NAW, with maybe better (or more consistent) 3pt shooting but worse defence.

I.Almansa - Energy big from the horrific G League Ignite team. Inhales rebounds, gives great effort defensively and is a fairly smart player particularly in the short roll. He has some issues defensively where he's not quite quick enough to be in a switch heavy or aggressive scheme but isn't tall and/or long enough to be effective in drop. Imagine a taller Vando with better passing but worse switchability.

M.Faye - Another guy I'm not familiar with. Sounds like a fairly standard athletic energy big; good height and wingspan, energy defensively, can't hit FTs or do much outside of rim finishing offensively. Based on what I've read he's fairly mobile defensively so might be interesting in our system.

J.Shead - My guy in this draft. Undersized PG by modern standards but a relentless defender who sets the tone and a true floor general (17th in entire NCAA in AST:TO ratio, from memory the best ranking of the true PGs in this draft). I absolutely love him and think he fits the culture we're trying to establish far too well to pass him up at 37.

T.Smith - Not a serious prospect. 6th year senior that's a typical college post player.

A.Watson - Versatile forward that does a bit of everything (except shoot). Summer league invite kind of guy.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#417 » by shangrila » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:07 am

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Neeva wrote:If the Pelicans really are shopping the 21st pick, and want some future seconds wolves need to be all over that.
Then hopefully someone good can drop. it’s happened before and players like Maxey, Whitmore etc that I thought were lottery , went in the early 20’s. Maybe wolves can get McCain at 21.


Any chance Collier drops that low?

I'd say there's a fair chance. I think the combine hurt him more than most mocks seem to indicate. And it wasn't so much that he failed to perform, he was actually exactly what everyone expected, but a number of other guys shone and likely pushed him down in that guard group (Carter and McCain easily jumped him, while I think a lot of teams have Bub over him too).

I'm not sure if I'd be interested even if he were there. I want to like him, honestly, but just can't get there. The end to end speed is insane but it doesn't seem to translate side to side, which shows up mainly on the defensive end. He's not really that athletic either being a firmly below the rim player. And his passing just seems...off, like he hits the general area he needs to but is never quite right (passing slightly behind guys, not hitting shooters in their pocket, etc).

If everything breaks right for him he's potentially a one man fast break with relentless rim pressure, which has a ton of value. But I got burnt by Kira Lewis previously in this archetype and Lewis had a lot more going for him as a prospect at the time.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#418 » by Klomp » Sun Jun 16, 2024 6:45 pm

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Mattya wrote:I don't think there are any players in this draft that could come in a play quality minutes for us in year one. Especially with the picks we have. We gotta hope we can bring back Morris, or find some vet minimum guys who already have experience. With that I'm just taking the biggest swings for the future.

I agree, and it seems to be the team's plan as well that every draft pick red shirts their first season.

The difference to me is that I'm more confident someone like Tyson, for example, could step into a role in his 2nd season after acclimating a little to the NBA than AJ Johnson, because the older prospect has already developed his skills and only needs that initial seasoning. As opposed to an upside swing that has to improve both.

I don't think it's a one-size-fits-all rule that the team has. Remember that we have been mostly drafting kids who are very young. Moore and Clark are the oldest we've taken at 21. While a redshirt could be assumed for kids that young, there are a number of prospects in our draft range who are older. For example, Baylor Scheierman will enter the NBA older than all of Moore, Minott, Miller, Clark AND Edwards and McDaniels are today. You don't draft someone like that if you are planning to redshirt them.

Previous drafts I think have been about just accumulating talent, but now I wouldn't be surprised if we are targeting specific needs going forward if we think the prospects could be ready to contribute right away. Guys like Scheierman, Shannon, Nunez are guys who I believe would be targeted to fill a specific need, not just drafting raw talent.
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Re: 2024 Draft - Who you got? 

Post#419 » by wolves_89 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:39 pm

My list of draft guys who could contribute next season (and have a chance of being available at #27) would include Tyler Kolek, Jaylon Tyson, Baylor Scheierman, and Kevin McCullar. If the Wolves go for upside at #27, I could see Ke'lel Ware, Tyler Smith, Johnny Furphy, and Carlton Carrington being tempting targets if they fall that far.
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Post#420 » by Klomp » Sun Jun 16, 2024 9:11 pm

Building a championship roster is many times more about having the right quality role players than about acquiring more stars, so I think Connelly should take that into consideration when going through an important offseason.
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