The Andrew Wiggins Thread

Merc_Porto · Post #641 » by **Merc_Porto** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:07 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
aren't they all from Toronto though

Really ? I Didn't know that :lol:

Post #642 » by **Goudelock** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:57 pm

C.lupus wrote:"Showing up" might be a little harsh. I do think he shows up every game but he definitely likes playing in big spotlight games and matchups and puts out a little extra effort in those games. All young players need to learn how to play with consistent effort for 82 games. I'm not worried about it.

That's a good thing in my book. And I don't understand where all of the Wiggins hate is coming from. Before the season, he was supposed to be a 12-13 ppg player on crap efficiency. He's blown past expectations and now people expect him to play like a top 10 player. It's ridiculous.

With that said, it wouldn't be outrageous for Noel to win ROY either.

packforfreedom · Post #643 » by **packforfreedom** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:06 pm

Klomp wrote:Am I the only one who gets surprised nearly every time he finishes one of his drives with a dunk? They are just shocking at times. Moves like those aren't supposed to be finished with dunks like those.

yeah I'm always like WTF when he does something like that and expect everybody to go crazy, but somehow that doesn't seem to happen.

Post #644 » by **Klomp** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:08 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Twolves_PR/status/582346704516714496[/tweet]

Cross-posting in rookie thread on gen board

Post #645 » by **C.lupus** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:31 am

Klomp wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Twolves_PR/status/582346704516714496[/tweet]

Cross-posting in rookie thread on gen board

Ultimate troll mod.

Mattya · Post #646 » by **Mattya** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:40 am

Klomp wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Twolves_PR/status/582346704516714496[/tweet]

Cross-posting in rookie thread on gen board

and the response you get is based off of a fallacy. Not surprised.

theGreatRC · Post #647 » by **theGreatRC** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:44 am

Mattya wrote:
Klomp wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Twolves_PR/status/582346704516714496[/tweet]

Cross-posting in rookie thread on gen board

and the response you get is based off of a fallacy. Not surprised.

I'm just going to kill all AW talk in this thread and not the GB anymore

MinneOOPalis · Post #648 » by **MinneOOPalis** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:01 pm

I got to stay away from the rookie impressions thread. It's getting out of hand.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #649 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:18 pm

MinneOOPalis wrote:I got to stay away from the rookie impressions thread. It's getting out of hand.

Its basically eye test vs advanced stats to establish a players value.

The problems are that they cherry pick stats and dump on Wiggs for not carrying a Dleague team to the playoffs in the West.

Got this from another board where I think he got the stats from sportsvue

Wiggins has defended 100+ isolation possessions this year. The only wing player entrusted to defend more isos is eventual DPOTY Daymond Green. Compound that with Wiggins' distance traveled stats, that's insane mileage.

Of the 35 players who've defended more than 80 iso possessions this season, Wiggins is 10th in points per poss allowed (0.78), 16th in eFG against (41.9%), 14th in turnovers forced (9.9%), and 1st in least shooting fouls committed (4%).

Of the 50 players who've defended the most PnRs, Wiggins is 7th in PPP allowed (0.71), 5th in eFG against (37.4%); unfortunately he's not as successful in turnovers forced or shooting fouls committed here. But the Wolves as a team rate terribly in PnR defense, particularly Gorgui Dieng, who's been the only available true big man all year, and the guy they traded for to teach them this kind of **** has suited up for just five ******* games.

So, he has played the most minutes, but he just doesnt get the ball enough. Wiggs is top 20 in fta per game as a rookie that alone tells me that he is aggressive, but doesnt get enough touches in the offence.

His usg% is 4or 5th on the team (Rubio, Martin, Bazz and Lavine are all higher), yet still produces. Its almost as if they are looking at Lavines boxscores and not Wiggins. And the raw numbers he does produce, is often against their best wing defender and the double.

Defensively, a wing defender is only as good as the system and frontcourt, both to which Wiggs has none. Wiggs has basically been left on an island to fend for himself against the leagues best, boxscore watchers dont give him enough credit for that.

Mattya · Post #650 » by **Mattya** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:38 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
MinneOOPalis wrote:I got to stay away from the rookie impressions thread. It's getting out of hand.

Its basically eye test vs advanced stats to establish a players value.

The problems are that they cherry pick stats and dump on Wiggs for not carrying a Dleague team to the playoffs in the West.

Got this from another board where I think he got the stats from sportsvue

Wiggins has defended 100+ isolation possessions this year. The only wing player entrusted to defend more isos is eventual DPOTY Daymond Green. Compound that with Wiggins' distance traveled stats, that's insane mileage.

Of the 35 players who've defended more than 80 iso possessions this season, Wiggins is 10th in points per poss allowed (0.78), 16th in eFG against (41.9%), 14th in turnovers forced (9.9%), and 1st in least shooting fouls committed (4%).

Of the 50 players who've defended the most PnRs, Wiggins is 7th in PPP allowed (0.71), 5th in eFG against (37.4%); unfortunately he's not as successful in turnovers forced or shooting fouls committed here. But the Wolves as a team rate terribly in PnR defense, particularly Gorgui Dieng, who's been the only available true big man all year, and the guy they traded for to teach them this kind of **** has suited up for just five ******* games.

So, he has played the most minutes, but he just doesnt get the ball enough. Wiggs is top 20 in fta per game as a rookie that alone tells me that he is aggressive, but doesnt get enough touches in the offence.

His usg% is 4or 5th on the team (Rubio, Martin, Bazz and Lavine are all higher), yet still produces. Its almost as if they are looking at Lavines boxscores and not Wiggins. And the raw numbers he does produce, is often against their best wing defender and the double.

Defensively, a wing defender is only as good as the system and frontcourt, both to which Wiggs has none. Wiggs has basically been left on an island to fend for himself against the leagues best, boxscore watchers dont give him enough credit for that.

Fantastic post. It is really funny reading that Rookie thread on the GB. This post almost sums up every single ridiculous point that "certain" fans make against Wiggins. It is only missing a couple arguments they were making earlier in the season. It is so hard to take some of those posters seriously after all the irony and hypocrisy all season long in that thread.

Post #651 » by **C.lupus** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:29 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MNTimberwolves/status/582699662517370880[/tweet]
:lol:

Merc_Porto · Post #652 » by **Merc_Porto** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:44 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XOYPwzkPEg[/youtube]

NO. 1

ace625214 · Post #653 » by **ace625214** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:02 pm

Nine of the top ten plays were dunks, and the tenth was a block on a dunk attempt. Can't believe there were no good passes, etc. Hell, even Korver's b2b2b2b makes were worthy. Maybe the NBA is just pushing the high-flyers now.

horaceworthy · Post #654 » by **horaceworthy** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:19 pm

The two hander on Smoove was so dirty.

Brewer used to take off in transition and I'd think he took off from too far, but then he'd throw it down anyway. Wiggins does that in the halfcourt. With defenders in front of him. Just ridiculous how he keeps rising sometimes.

Note30 · Post #655 » by **Note30** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:45 pm

ace625214 wrote:Nine of the top ten plays were dunks, and the tenth was a block on a dunk attempt. Can't believe there were no good passes, etc. Hell, even Korver's b2b2b2b makes were worthy. Maybe the NBA is just pushing the high-flyers now.

That's how its always been lol.

Quentin · Post #656 » by **Quentin** » Wed Apr 1, 2015 3:23 pm

Honestly, the biggest thing that hold Wiggins back is his handle. Right now he's relying on his teammates to get him the ball and that's mostly dropping him the ball in a one on one. Teams are figuring out how to deny him there now. He needs to have the ball in his hands if he'll ever be a legitimate number 1 on this team. This summer, he should be dribbling the basketball while he's sleeping.

Takingbaconback · Post #657 » by **Takingbaconback** » Wed Apr 1, 2015 7:34 pm

Im not really worried about Wiggins progression at all. Just watching him play this season, you just know he's going to be a flat out superstar, at least top 5 player in this league. His dribbling isn't phenomenal but I don't think teams are figuring anything out. Wiggins is a rookie and is playing 36 minutes a game, 40 minutes a game in his last 10 games. He's just gotta refresh, get stronger, and improve like he will during the offseason. I don't understand why people think it's crazy to believe he could be a top 10 player in the league next year. Personally, I will be disappointed to see anything less than that.

Post #658 » by **Klomp** » Wed Apr 1, 2015 7:42 pm

The interesting thing to follow after the season will be if Andrew decides to help Canada qualify for the Olympics.

packforfreedom · Post #659 » by **packforfreedom** » Wed Apr 1, 2015 8:05 pm

I normally think, players should rather work on their skills than play in those national tournaments, but Wiggins should benefit of it in terms of leadership.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #660 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Wed Apr 1, 2015 11:22 pm

I could probably research this, but some of you probably know off-hand: what is it statistically that makes his PER so low? Is it because he plays so many minutes?