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[Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves

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Re: [Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves 

Post#861 » by thinktank » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:17 am

shrink wrote:Taylor is a snake because he shot Lincoln.

Just testing if this is the type of post thinktank And1’s. :lol:


Do you think that's funny or clever? Keep your day job. Woof. :lol:

Taylor is a snake for going behind all the other owners backs to sign Joe Smith to an illegal deal that cost us five draft picks. Does that opinion bother you? It sure seems like it. You just can't let it go.

"TAYLOR SHOT LINCOLN HAW HAW HAW!1!1!!"

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Post#862 » by Worm Guts » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:20 am

Let’s the let Joe Smith discussion go. It’s irrelevant to the current discussion.
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Re: [Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves 

Post#865 » by thinktank » Wed Apr 3, 2024 12:27 pm

Glen knows where I'm at, I'm not entertaining it," Garnett said. "First of all, it's not genuine. Two, he's getting pressure from a lot of fans and, I guess, the community there. Glen and I had an understanding before Flip died, and when Flip died, that understanding went with Flip. For that, I won't forgive Glen. I won't forgive him for that. I thought he was a straight up person, straight up business man, and when Flip died, everything went with him.

"There's no reason to complain. Just continue to move on. My years in Minnesota and in that community, I cherish. At this point, I don't want any dealings with Glen Taylor or Taylor Corp. or anything that has to do with him. I love my Timberwolves, I'll always love my guys, I'll always love the people who [f—] with me there. I'll always have a special place for the city of Minneapolis and the state of Minnesota in my heart. But I don't do business with snakes. I don't do business with snake mu'[f—]as. I try not to do business with openly snakes or people who are snake-like."

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Post#866 » by Baseline81 » Wed Apr 3, 2024 12:30 pm

thinktank wrote:Glen knows where I'm at, I'm not entertaining it," Garnett said. "First of all, it's not genuine. Two, he's getting pressure from a lot of fans and, I guess, the community there. Glen and I had an understanding before Flip died, and when Flip died, that understanding went with Flip. For that, I won't forgive Glen. I won't forgive him for that. I thought he was a straight up person, straight up business man, and when Flip died, everything went with him.

"There's no reason to complain. Just continue to move on. My years in Minnesota and in that community, I cherish. At this point, I don't want any dealings with Glen Taylor or Taylor Corp. or anything that has to do with him. I love my Timberwolves, I'll always love my guys, I'll always love the people who [f—] with me there. I'll always have a special place for the city of Minneapolis and the state of Minnesota in my heart. But I don't do business with snakes. I don't do business with snake mu'[f—]as. I try not to do business with openly snakes or people who are snake-like."

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Re: [Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves 

Post#867 » by Worm Guts » Wed Apr 3, 2024 12:32 pm

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thinktank wrote:Glen knows where I'm at, I'm not entertaining it," Garnett said. "First of all, it's not genuine. Two, he's getting pressure from a lot of fans and, I guess, the community there. Glen and I had an understanding before Flip died, and when Flip died, that understanding went with Flip. For that, I won't forgive Glen. I won't forgive him for that. I thought he was a straight up person, straight up business man, and when Flip died, everything went with him.

"There's no reason to complain. Just continue to move on. My years in Minnesota and in that community, I cherish. At this point, I don't want any dealings with Glen Taylor or Taylor Corp. or anything that has to do with him. I love my Timberwolves, I'll always love my guys, I'll always love the people who [f—] with me there. I'll always have a special place for the city of Minneapolis and the state of Minnesota in my heart. But I don't do business with snakes. I don't do business with snake mu'[f—]as. I try not to do business with openly snakes or people who are snake-like."

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Re: [Krawczynski] Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore in serious talks to become the next owners of the Minnesota Timberwolves 

Post#868 » by thinktank » Wed Apr 3, 2024 1:17 pm

The recent NY Post articles are pretty funny.

“Also, they take credit for the Gobert trade, which looks decent at this point.“

Best or second best season in franchise history is “decent”. This is the Timberwolves they’re talking about. :lol:
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Post#869 » by shrink » Wed Apr 3, 2024 1:41 pm

I brought this up myself on the last page.

shrink wrote:As far as Taylor being a snake with Garnett, the story we’ve heard is closer to the Lore story. We have heard (mostly from KG) that Garnett and Taylor talked about KG wanting to buy part of the team in the past. However, KG wanted to buy it at a discount price, based on the market value before he came to the Wolves. He believed that he raised the team’s value (which he certainly did), so he was entitled to he previous valuation. However, every NBA team was rising in value at the time, so the rise certainly isn’t all KG.

We don’t know what the actual deal was, or if there was a deal at all and not just talk, but this is closer to the “Taylor’s a snake” narrative that some posters are trying so hard to present.

I agree that Garnett thinks Taylor is a snake. The truth is, we don’t know the facts here to know if that’s justified or not.

If that still matters to everyone.
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Post#870 » by thinktank » Wed Apr 3, 2024 2:29 pm

Hmmm trust KG or Taylor? Tough call!
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Post#871 » by guest81 » Wed Apr 3, 2024 2:58 pm

shrink wrote:I brought this up myself on the last page.

shrink wrote:As far as Taylor being a snake with Garnett, the story we’ve heard is closer to the Lore story. We have heard (mostly from KG) that Garnett and Taylor talked about KG wanting to buy part of the team in the past. However, KG wanted to buy it at a discount price, based on the market value before he came to the Wolves. He believed that he raised the team’s value (which he certainly did), so he was entitled to he previous valuation. However, every NBA team was rising in value at the time, so the rise certainly isn’t all KG.

We don’t know what the actual deal was, or if there was a deal at all and not just talk, but this is closer to the “Taylor’s a snake” narrative that some posters are trying so hard to present.

I agree that Garnett thinks Taylor is a snake. The truth is, we don’t know the facts here to know if that’s justified or not.

If that still matters to everyone.


I guess you can side with Glen in all these issues, but the guy without a doubt has a track record. So either everybody is out to get him or maybe so these people notice the same thing
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Post#872 » by shrink » Wed Apr 3, 2024 3:12 pm

guest81 wrote:
shrink wrote:I brought this up myself on the last page.

shrink wrote:As far as Taylor being a snake with Garnett, the story we’ve heard is closer to the Lore story. We have heard (mostly from KG) that Garnett and Taylor talked about KG wanting to buy part of the team in the past. However, KG wanted to buy it at a discount price, based on the market value before he came to the Wolves. He believed that he raised the team’s value (which he certainly did), so he was entitled to he previous valuation. However, every NBA team was rising in value at the time, so the rise certainly isn’t all KG.

We don’t know what the actual deal was, or if there was a deal at all and not just talk, but this is closer to the “Taylor’s a snake” narrative that some posters are trying so hard to present.

I agree that Garnett thinks Taylor is a snake. The truth is, we don’t know the facts here to know if that’s justified or not.

If that still matters to everyone.


I guess you can side with Glen in all these issues, but the guy without a doubt has a track record. So either everybody is out to get him or maybe so these people notice the same thing

What is his track record then? Lay out the case.

- Kylie says he welshed on a deal we don’t know about, and says he’s a doodoo head. “Everybody” repeats it, so it must be true.
- Vanna asks if he screwed over Joe Smith. People say they know that’s wrong, but don’t correct her. It must be true.
- Orbie takes him to court for not letting him go to the seesaw first. The judge sides with Taylor, but Orbie must be right anyway.

Last page. I laid out the facts on all three of these events. No one (yet) has argued those facts, but it looks like people are just ignoring them because they don’t match what they “feel.” If you believe it’s obvious that Taylor screws people over, then you should be able to make a legitimate case, based on facts. “Everybody says it” is too junior high for me.
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Post#873 » by thinktank » Wed Apr 3, 2024 4:24 pm

Taylor’s track record:

-Cost us 5 draft picks due to a fraudulent contract that he put in writing (dumb and unethical)
-Routinely sold picks for cash instead of developing the team with them (greedy—Taylor was one of the richest owners in the league)
-Betrayed KG when he said he was dogging it (awful, awful judgement there)
-Hired David Kahn, who was a disaster (just a crazy move to hire a sports reporter as GM)

I could go on. Taylor is one of the worst owners in sports. That’s the consensus. Don’t blame us. Blame Taylor.
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Post#874 » by m2002brian » Wed Apr 3, 2024 4:31 pm

thinktank wrote:Taylor’s track record:

-Cost us 5 draft picks due to a fraudulent contract that he put in writing (dumb and unethical)
-Routinely sold picks for cash instead of developing the team with them (greedy—Taylor was one of the richest owners in the league)
-Betrayed KG when he said he was dogging it (awful, awful judgement there)
-Hired David Kahn, who was a disaster (just a crazy move to hire a sports reporter as GM)

I could go on. Taylor is one of the worst owners in sports. That’s the consensus. Don’t blame us. Blame Taylor.



And…
I’ve been thinking about this….
It’s been said Lore and Arod were spending Glens money…
But….

What if Glen was preying on “poor” candidates for ownership, knowing they would struggle to actually complete the deal, all the while getting millions of their dollars to spend on the team.

Lore and Arod didn’t spend Glens money.
Glen was spending Lore and Arods money.

What if …

That’s either mad scientist genius level business maneuvering or shrewd slimy as snake operations. (snakes aren’t slimy btw)

Either way, we can find a silver lining, Glen has all the money he needs now to keep a competitive team and pay the Lux tax (not that he didn’t before)
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Post#875 » by BlacJacMac » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:13 pm

thinktank wrote:Taylor’s track record:

-Cost us 5 draft picks due to a fraudulent contract that he put in writing (dumb and unethical)
-Routinely sold picks for cash instead of developing the team with them (greedy—Taylor was one of the richest owners in the league)
-Betrayed KG when he said he was dogging it (awful, awful judgement there)
-Hired David Kahn, who was a disaster (just a crazy move to hire a sports reporter as GM)

I could go on. Taylor is one of the worst owners in sports. That’s the consensus. Don’t blame us. Blame Taylor.


And that was after Dennis Lindsey was set to take the job, but Glen scared him off when he told him he couldn't revamp the front office.
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Post#876 » by F Saunders » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:15 pm

shrink wrote:
guest81 wrote:
shrink wrote:I brought this up myself on the last page.


I agree that Garnett thinks Taylor is a snake. The truth is, we don’t know the facts here to know if that’s justified or not.

If that still matters to everyone.


I guess you can side with Glen in all these issues, but the guy without a doubt has a track record. So either everybody is out to get him or maybe so these people notice the same thing

What is his track record then? Lay out the case.

- Kylie says he welshed on a deal we don’t know about, and says he’s a doodoo head. “Everybody” repeats it, so it must be true.
- Vanna asks if he screwed over Joe Smith. People say they know that’s wrong, but don’t correct her. It must be true.
- Orbie takes him to court for not letting him go to the seesaw first. The judge sides with Taylor, but Orbie must be right anyway.

Last page. I laid out the facts on all three of these events. No one (yet) has argued those facts, but it looks like people are just ignoring them because they don’t match what they “feel.” If you believe it’s obvious that Taylor screws people over, then you should be able to make a legitimate case, based on facts. “Everybody says it” is too junior high for me.

I think the case includes both personal relationships and actual lawsuits. In addition to everything that's been mentioned:

Personal:
*Taking shots at KG and Love on their way out.
*Handling of Sam Mitchell (https://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/timberwolves/sam-mitchell-lays-into-timberwolves-for-disrespecting-him
*Handling of Ryan Saunders (Publicly stating they have not intentions of firing him, then one month later firing him and hiring his replacement the same dayhttps://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/timberwolves/timberwolves-facing-criticism-for-manner-of-ryan-saunders-firing)

Professional:
Lawsuit vs. Envoy Medical & McHale https://www.minnesotasportsfan.com/glen-taylor-sued-by-kevin-mchale/

Whether he's in the right or wrong here, I think it's fair for people to think of him as a bit slimy.
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Post#877 » by younggunsmn » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:24 pm

Here's an article I found from November 2023 on NBA owners and their net worth:

https://basketballside.com/nba-owners

24 of the 30 owners are worth 2 billion dollars or more.
Glen is listed as #18 at 2.8 billion.

Of those 6 not listed above 2 billion, you have Jeanie Buss and Wyn Grousbeck of the Lakers and Celtics who own small (20% or less) stakes because their parents died and split the shares among their children.
Those franchises both are in markets that print money.

You have Clay Bennet and Peter Holt of the Thunder and Spurs who purchased their teams 18 and 30 years ago and hold assets worth roughly 10X and 30X the purchase price respectively, which is very important to the long term stability of their small market franchises and their ability to finance moderate losses. Very similar situation with Taylor here.

The remaining 2 not in the 2 billion owner club are the Kings and Hornets, 2 of the historically cheapest and most maligned franchises in the league.

The one that surprised me a bit was the Warriors owner who is only worth 2 billion.
Another that surprised me was that Ann Walton Kroenke, a Walmart heir, owns the Nuggets.
How can they be run so cheaply when she has like 9 billion dollars?

You guys spend pages and pages trashing Taylor.
But it could be much worse.

Could be Norm Green who came in all slick like Lore did but lied to everyone and abruptly moved the team.
Or Calvin Griffith who ran the team for decades as cheaply as possible and traded away every good player who ever asked for a raise.
Or Red McCombs the car salesman who was also fake wealthy, who ran the team as cheaply as possible for a few years and then cashed out.
McCombs is the one Lore and his group remind me the most of.
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Post#878 » by younggunsmn » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:31 pm

Also, KG lost more than 100 million dollars to fraud from a sketchy guy he hired to manage his money.
He didn't have the money to invest in the team even if Taylor was willing to make him a partner.
There are a ton of sour grapes from that.

As far as litigation, there isn't going to be any splitting the baby here.
Lore and Rodriguez either missed their date and their option to buy expired, or they didn't
A court is either going to enforce the contract or say their option to buy the last 40% expired and no longer exists.

If they enforce the contract, the NBA board of governors still has to approve the financing, and them as new owners, and the clock would still be ticking on that too.
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Post#879 » by thinktank » Wed Apr 3, 2024 6:25 pm

KG still has 130 million. He wanted to own a piece of the org he helped built too. If Taylor wanted that to happen, it would’ve.
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Post#880 » by KGdaBom » Wed Apr 3, 2024 6:51 pm

thinktank wrote:KG still has 130 million. He wanted to own a piece of the org he helped built too. If Taylor wanted that to happen, it would’ve.

I wish so very much that KG had an ownership stake in the Wolves. It seems like Glen screwed up in some way in this deal. Maybe there was some miscommunication. Either way it's a shame.

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