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Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#2 » by Domejandro » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:46 pm

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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#3 » by KGdaBom » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:47 pm

First reply. Go Wolves! Get Ben. Celebrate.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#4 » by _AIJ_ » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:55 pm

I just hope this thread will be less toxic. I love to read but sometimes i just want to rip my eyeballs out
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#5 » by Howard Cosell » Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:18 pm

Edwards is Batman.

Towns is Robin.

Simmons is Rodman.

Go get him Rosas.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#6 » by IceManBK1 » Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:34 pm

I thought Prince is eligible to be traded in a package today. Hope a deal goes down soon. Beasley, Prince, McDaniels 2 firsts and a 2nd. Really don't want to wait until oct to see if they want Patrick Beverley. We would do Beverley no good if we trade him again lol..gonna be like 3rd time he gets traded in a matter of a month.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#7 » by KGdaBom » Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:37 pm

IceManBK1 wrote:I thought Prince is eligible to be traded in a package today. Hope a deal goes down soon. Beasley, Prince, McDaniels 2 firsts and a 2nd. Really don't want to wait until oct to see if they want Patrick Beverley. We would do Beverley no good if we trade him again lol..gonna be like 3rd time he gets traded in a matter of a month.

Sounds about right, but those firsts protected through 4, just in case the ping pong balls bounce our way.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#8 » by IceManBK1 » Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:47 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
IceManBK1 wrote:I thought Prince is eligible to be traded in a package today. Hope a deal goes down soon. Beasley, Prince, McDaniels 2 firsts and a 2nd. Really don't want to wait until oct to see if they want Patrick Beverley. We would do Beverley no good if we trade him again lol..gonna be like 3rd time he gets traded in a matter of a month.

Sounds about right, but those firsts protected through 4, just in case the ping pong balls bounce our way.


give them top 3 protected this yr..we have our own 1st rd pick this yr right..with dlo, edwards, towns and simmons we're very likely to make the playoffs and end up with a pedestrian pick.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#9 » by fattymcgee » Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:24 pm

IceManBK1 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
IceManBK1 wrote:I thought Prince is eligible to be traded in a package today. Hope a deal goes down soon. Beasley, Prince, McDaniels 2 firsts and a 2nd. Really don't want to wait until oct to see if they want Patrick Beverley. We would do Beverley no good if we trade him again lol..gonna be like 3rd time he gets traded in a matter of a month.

Sounds about right, but those firsts protected through 4, just in case the ping pong balls bounce our way.


give them top 3 protected this yr..we have our own 1st rd pick this yr right..with dlo, edwards, towns and simmons we're very likely to make the playoffs and end up with a pedestrian pick.


Need to do Top 4. The lottery is now for the top 4 pics.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#10 » by shangrila » Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:47 pm

I don’t want to backseat mod but I’d have nuked this topic from orbit.

There’s nothing left to discuss. Everyone has established what they’d pay or what his value is, and since there’s no way to measure that objectively there’s no debating facts, just opinions. Which always leads to conflict.
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Post#11 » by jpatrick » Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:49 pm

IceManBK1 wrote:I thought Prince is eligible to be traded in a package today. Hope a deal goes down soon. Beasley, Prince, McDaniels 2 firsts and a 2nd. Really don't want to wait until oct to see if they want Patrick Beverley. We would do Beverley no good if we trade him again lol..gonna be like 3rd time he gets traded in a matter of a month.


Can’t include both Prince and McDaniels. Leaves us without a starting SF. If McDaniels is in there, going to have to wait for Beverly. Did we ever confirm when that is? October 1st?
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#12 » by KGdaBom » Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:49 pm

IceManBK1 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
IceManBK1 wrote:I thought Prince is eligible to be traded in a package today. Hope a deal goes down soon. Beasley, Prince, McDaniels 2 firsts and a 2nd. Really don't want to wait until oct to see if they want Patrick Beverley. We would do Beverley no good if we trade him again lol..gonna be like 3rd time he gets traded in a matter of a month.

Sounds about right, but those firsts protected through 4, just in case the ping pong balls bounce our way.


give them top 3 protected this yr..we have our own 1st rd pick this yr right..with dlo, edwards, towns and simmons we're very likely to make the playoffs and end up with a pedestrian pick.

Sure with Simmons there is a decent chance we make the playoffs, but we could still be in the lottery at say 14th and get drawn for a pick 1-4. Protected to 4.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#13 » by KGdaBom » Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:50 pm

shangrila wrote:I don’t want to backseat mod but I’d have nuked this topic from orbit.

There’s nothing left to discuss. Everyone has established what they’d pay or what his value is, and since there’s no way to measure that objectively there’s no debating facts, just opinions. Which always leads to conflict.

I think you're pretty much right, but I can't resist discussing it. :crazy: :banghead:
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Post#14 » by KGdaBom » Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:51 pm

jpatrick wrote:
IceManBK1 wrote:I thought Prince is eligible to be traded in a package today. Hope a deal goes down soon. Beasley, Prince, McDaniels 2 firsts and a 2nd. Really don't want to wait until oct to see if they want Patrick Beverley. We would do Beverley no good if we trade him again lol..gonna be like 3rd time he gets traded in a matter of a month.


Can’t include both Prince and McDaniels. Leaves us without a starting SF. If McDaniels is in there, going to have to wait for Beverly. Did we ever confirm when that is? October 1st?

This gets into a controversial subject, but to me Ant is our SF with Beas our SG with Bolmaro/Okogie backing up the SF.
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Post#15 » by Folklore » Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:54 pm

Yep. there's no way Alex Rodriguez and Marc Lore would want to trade for Ben unless its pennies on the dollar. Alex would never let a player like Ben come here if it costs us players with heart. mage someone on his baseball team who was a great first baseman but when he's at bat, he wouldn't swing, no matter what. And in the off season that player would have clips of himself hitting home runs.

Lore wont do it because he can see the value in our players going out and anyone coming in. Why buy a company that's losing its value and the majority stock holders want to cut ties with it? would Lore pay more than the business is worth just because the seller is delusional to the actual value? No. He's going to keep his clearly valuable assets that he got for pennies on the dollar and laugh.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#16 » by shrink » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:01 pm

Great stuff from Brian Windhorst on Doogie’s podcast. I’m only halfway through, but I’ll add to this post as interesting points come up.

1. First, Windhorst actually has info on this, so he has to be very careful about what he divulges.

2. Small market teams like the Wolves would value him, but “if you wanted a certain house, and you loved the house, loved the neighborhood, but you realize that a whole wing of the house had to be completely gutted and redone, you’re not paying top of the market price. If the owner wants top of the market price, you can’t buy it. You say, “well, I really like the house, but I have to buy it as a fixer upper, and fix it up myself.” Attractive player, but he’s a little damaged, and you need to pay damaged price.

3. Doogie said latest betting odds on Where Will Ben Play Game 1,

+200 PHI
+300 MIN
+400 POR
+500 SAC
+800 CLE
+1200 GSW

Windhorst would wager the field. BUT - “Simmons doesn’t intend to play for PHI again, and I doubt he will.”

4. One other small market team has interest and has made an offer, but it hasn’t gone public yet.

5. The Wolves can put together an acceptable offer, but Morey wants premium. He hunts superstars. He’s not looking for Beasley or a 2024 unprotected pick. He wants to win this year, and he has incentive to wait.

6. Windhorst thinks Simmons will most likely be on the PHI roster, and not play, and Morey may wait until February trade deadline to trade him. And “from what I understand, that’s Simmon’s plan.”

7. Windhorst doesn’t think MIN has the assets to get the trade done, unless they include Edwards, and that would be irresponsible for MIN to trade him. MIN a would need a three teamer, to send PHI a star.

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Post#17 » by jpatrick » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:04 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
jpatrick wrote:
IceManBK1 wrote:I thought Prince is eligible to be traded in a package today. Hope a deal goes down soon. Beasley, Prince, McDaniels 2 firsts and a 2nd. Really don't want to wait until oct to see if they want Patrick Beverley. We would do Beverley no good if we trade him again lol..gonna be like 3rd time he gets traded in a matter of a month.


Can’t include both Prince and McDaniels. Leaves us without a starting SF. If McDaniels is in there, going to have to wait for Beverly. Did we ever confirm when that is? October 1st?

This gets into a controversial subject, but to me Ant is our SF with Beas our SG with Bolmaro/Okogie backing up the SF.

If we don’t make any trades, I think that’s what we’ll see. Ant starting at SF and Beasley at SG. But in the proposed deal we’re trading Beasley, McDaniels, and Prince.
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Post#18 » by Klomp » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:11 pm

shrink wrote:5. The Wolves can put together an acceptable offer, but Morey wants premium. He hunts superstars. He’s not looking for Beasley or a 2024 unprotected pick. He wants to win this year, and he has incentive to wait.

6. Windhorst thinks Simmons will most likely be on the PHI roster, and not play, and Morey may wait until February trade deadline to trade him. And “from what I understand, that’s Simmon’s plan.”

These two things would bring me back around to a Beal or Lillard-type bigger trade, with us facilitating.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#19 » by KGdaBom » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:19 pm

jpatrick wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
jpatrick wrote:
Can’t include both Prince and McDaniels. Leaves us without a starting SF. If McDaniels is in there, going to have to wait for Beverly. Did we ever confirm when that is? October 1st?

This gets into a controversial subject, but to me Ant is our SF with Beas our SG with Bolmaro/Okogie backing up the SF.

If we don’t make any trades, I think that’s what we’ll see. Ant starting at SF and Beasley at SG. But in the proposed deal we’re trading Beasley, McDaniels, and Prince.

I was replying to the reply. We could do both Prince and McDaniels. With Beas in the deal as well we still have options.
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Re: Ben Simmons Thread #2 (“Don’t make me contact Howard” Edition) 

Post#20 » by shrink » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:25 pm

(Continued)

8. “It’s one thing to not be able to shoot well (like Giannis) versus being afraid to shoot. Ben isn’t liking to step into the batter’s box. Giannis has skill limitations, but he won’t let them hold him back, but Ben’s skill limitations very clearly hold him back. If I remember clearly, in a seven game series against Atlanta, he took three shots in the fourth quarter. How can anyone say that’s a championship performance?”

9. Doogie suggested a three teamer for Shai Gilchrest-Alexander, but both thought they should just keep SGA over Ben. And if SGA was available, I’m not sure MIN could make the best offer.

10. Windhorst thinks if Simmons was offered straight up for CJ McCollum, I’m not so sure POR wouldn’t turn it down. The bedrock question is “does POR want Ben Simmons?” And even if POR felt they were willing to trade McCollum, they might look elsewhere, for someone else that fits their roster.

11. 4-5 teams are interested in Simmons, but none of them have what Morey wants today.

12. Simmons is trying to make training camp the deadline, but it doesn’t mean Morey has to do it. Why rush? Ben hopes the media puts pressure on them, or that the team’s start the season badly. It worked for Butler and Harden, and AD. Why wouldn’t Simmons take that path.

13. “I don’t know why anyone in the league puts the value on D’Angelo Russell that they do.” Doogie said, “who in the league does that?” and Windhorst said, “Gersson, apparently.”

14. Too early to trade KAT. “Towns has been very outspoken about wanting to stay in Minnesota.”

15. Can’t count on Simmons. Need to count on Edwards and Towns getting better.

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