Nets suspend Kyrie Irving at least five games without pay

[GTR11]

Been hearing the same that AD is cooked.

Sean's competence taking hit big time. He failed to understand what this team ceiling was. Instead he doubled down on his mistake and seeing how big of a mistake it was/is.

Kyrie was fetching Russ expiring contract and two unprotected first round picks from Lakers, they guaranteed to be lottery bound. We going to lose Seth for nothing like we lost Dre too.

KD for JB and trash was as good as it gets. Now you have nothing and won't get anything better since Langdon and Masai just not stupid enough as Brad.

Nothing to be exited about right now, and it won't change anytime soon.

You make a questionable assumption that Sean failed to understand the ceiling. When you make deals/decisions of that magnitude, the owner has to sign off on it. Given Tsai has burned through CEOs unable to fulfill his unrealistic goals of billion dollar per year revenues in the future & $500mil per year revenue within a couple years, it's unlikely he'd sign off on a rebuild that would torpedo those short term revenue goals. To his credit, Marks has lined up all contracts to expire by the 2024 offseason, with the exception of KD & Simmons. If we deal KD, don't be surprised if the majority returning salary similarly expires by 2024. I believe he knows a rebuild needs to happen, and he's willing to hit the reset button as soon as Tsai will allow it.

Already saying that he failed at his most important job description. If he can't do that, than he has no business being GM.

Since when Joe Tsai became a GM? Ok than.

[MrDollarBills]

This is pure misery.

[TheNetsFan]

Sean's competence taking hit big time. He failed to understand what this team ceiling was. Instead he doubled down on his mistake and seeing how big of a mistake it was/is.

Kyrie was fetching Russ expiring contract and two unprotected first round picks from Lakers, they guaranteed to be lottery bound. We going to lose Seth for nothing like we lost Dre too.

KD for JB and trash was as good as it gets. Now you have nothing and won't get anything better since Langdon and Masai just not stupid enough as Brad.

Nothing to be exited about right now, and it won't change anytime soon.

You make a questionable assumption that Sean failed to understand the ceiling. When you make deals/decisions of that magnitude, the owner has to sign off on it. Given Tsai has burned through CEOs unable to fulfill his unrealistic goals of billion dollar per year revenues in the future & $500mil per year revenue within a couple years, it's unlikely he'd sign off on a rebuild that would torpedo those short term revenue goals. To his credit, Marks has lined up all contracts to expire by the 2024 offseason, with the exception of KD & Simmons. If we deal KD, don't be surprised if the majority returning salary similarly expires by 2024. I believe he knows a rebuild needs to happen, and he's willing to hit the reset button as soon as Tsai will allow it.

Already saying that he failed at his most important job description. If he can't do that, than he has no business being GM.

Since when Joe Tsai became a GM? Ok than.

Huh? Go read up on the Billy King-Danny Ainge trade debacle. Even Ainge was constantly running things by his owner when deciding to rebuild and negotiating the trade. Owners sign the checks. They don't care about the bench guys, but if you are trading Kevin Durant, the owner is going to have a big say.

[Eatgreenz]

You make a questionable assumption that Sean failed to understand the ceiling. When you make deals/decisions of that magnitude, the owner has to sign off on it. Given Tsai has burned through CEOs unable to fulfill his unrealistic goals of billion dollar per year revenues in the future & $500mil per year revenue within a couple years, it's unlikely he'd sign off on a rebuild that would torpedo those short term revenue goals. To his credit, Marks has lined up all contracts to expire by the 2024 offseason, with the exception of KD & Simmons. If we deal KD, don't be surprised if the majority returning salary similarly expires by 2024. I believe he knows a rebuild needs to happen, and he's willing to hit the reset button as soon as Tsai will allow it.

Already saying that he failed at his most important job description. If he can't do that, than he has no business being GM.

Since when Joe Tsai became a GM? Ok than.

Huh? Go read up on the Billy King-Danny Ainge trade debacle. Even Ainge was constantly running things by his owner when deciding to rebuild and negotiating the trade. Owners sign the checks. They don't care about the bench guys, but if you are trading Kevin Durant, the owner is going to have a big say.

Imagine trading your best player in any sport and your owner not nothing about it how would that even be possible.

[GTR11]

Already saying that he failed at his most important job description. If he can't do that, than he has no business being GM.

Since when Joe Tsai became a GM? Ok than.

Huh? Go read up on the Billy King-Danny Ainge trade debacle. Even Ainge was constantly running things by his owner when deciding to rebuild and negotiating the trade. Owners sign the checks. They don't care about the bench guys, but if you are trading Kevin Durant, the owner is going to have a big say.

Imagine trading your best player in any sport and your owner not nothing about it how would that even be possible.

Completely ignored what I was trying to say and flipped entire narrative. My point was that, if Marks can't persuade Joe to change his mind because of ( feel free to add reason ) something, what is he doing as a GM. He was hired to build team, explaining reason why is his first and most important job. If he can't do that, than his competence should/will be questioned.

Kyrie already opted out this off-season and looked for new contract.

KD asked for trade and questioned Marks/Nash. We not even a month into this season and he already trashing his teammates.

“

Look at our starting lineup. Edmond Sumner, Royce O’Neale, Joe Harris, [Nic] Claxton and me. It’s not disrespect, but what are you expecting from that group? You expect us to win because I’m out there.”

- KD

Some of you really think Marks competence shouldn't be questioned? How is that ok by any means.

[Eatgreenz]

Huh? Go read up on the Billy King-Danny Ainge trade debacle. Even Ainge was constantly running things by his owner when deciding to rebuild and negotiating the trade. Owners sign the checks. They don't care about the bench guys, but if you are trading Kevin Durant, the owner is going to have a big say.

Imagine trading your best player in any sport and your owner not nothing about it how would that even be possible.

Completely ignored what I was trying to say and flipped entire narrative. My point was that, if Marks can't persuade Joe to change his mind because of ( feel free to add reason ) something, what is he doing as a GM. He was hired to build team, explaining reason why is his first and most important job. If he can't do that, than his competence should/will be questioned.

Kyrie already opted out this off-season and looked for new contract.

KD asked for trade and questioned Marks/Nash. We not even a month into this season and he already trashing his teammates.

“

Look at our starting lineup. Edmond Sumner, Royce O’Neale, Joe Harris, [Nic] Claxton and me. It’s not disrespect, but what are you expecting from that group? You expect us to win because I’m out there.”

- KD

Some of you really think Marks competence shouldn't be questioned? How is that ok by any means.

When you read the full interview you get what KD is saying. We gotta stop falling for this media click bait on our team

[sashaturiaf]

Cautiously optimistic that Kyrie knows this is his last chance and comes back focused on hoops alone.

KDs comments can be seen as brutal but I see it as brutally honest. We need a high functioning Kyrie and Ben if we are to have any championship aspirations.

On paper our death lineup should be

KD
Royce
Yuta/Warren
Kyrie
Ben

Haven't seen that lineup for a single minute this season, we likely won't for a while as Ben isn't back to his best yet but it does make me hopeful that we have a level above what we have shown so far

[Gooner]

Can Irving run the point for us when he gets back? It would help us immensely if he could focus as much on getting others shots as himself. The offence gets a bit stagnant when ky and kd are just taking turns on offence.

I believe he can under a good coach.

Name me one coach that was able to talk sense into Kyrie.

I'm talking strictly from basketball perspective. He played well with the Celtics under Brad Stevens and he was a point guard. His personal issues are different story.

[TheNetsFan]

Huh? Go read up on the Billy King-Danny Ainge trade debacle. Even Ainge was constantly running things by his owner when deciding to rebuild and negotiating the trade. Owners sign the checks. They don't care about the bench guys, but if you are trading Kevin Durant, the owner is going to have a big say.

Imagine trading your best player in any sport and your owner not nothing about it how would that even be possible.

Completely ignored what I was trying to say and flipped entire narrative. My point was that, if Marks can't persuade Joe to change his mind because of ( feel free to add reason ) something, what is he doing as a GM. He was hired to build team, explaining reason why is his first and most important job. If he can't do that, than his competence should/will be questioned.

Kyrie already opted out this off-season and looked for new contract.

KD asked for trade and questioned Marks/Nash. We not even a month into this season and he already trashing his teammates.

“

Look at our starting lineup. Edmond Sumner, Royce O’Neale, Joe Harris, [Nic] Claxton and me. It’s not disrespect, but what are you expecting from that group? You expect us to win because I’m out there.”

- KD

Some of you really think Marks competence shouldn't be questioned? How is that ok by any means.

If Joe Tsai is primarily focused on revenue and profits (his right as an owner), there's nothing Marks can spin to persuade Tsai that trading KD will result in a near term bump in revenue. We're not consistently selling out games without KD, especially with a rebuilding team. Given that season tickets sales were way down (individual tickets are selling out though), there's no revenue buffer.

That quote is cherry picked out of context from a hugely positive interview KD did. While it sounds bad, it's an accurate assessment of pretty much every team with an elite superstar. What do you expect from GSW without Steph; Mavs without Luka? The correct answer, as it is with us, is a lottery team.

[GTR11]

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I call BS that Woj deflected it on Ben here. Main point was that Kyrie can't be trusted and that's why Marks/Tsai have to move another direction. What he's not saying and what dumb ass Kyrie supporters won't admit is that, BK investors want Kyrie gone !!! Moving Kyrie means trading KD, will Saltics do JB trade now? Hell NO !!!

Will NOP do trade for KD now? Not likely, Zion is still fatso who can't stay healthy and Ingram can/will attract second fiddle players to come play along.

As I said in other trade, Kyrie and Seth should've been traded to LA. Russ and 2 unprotected 1st picks was/is highway robbery. Marks should be fired for whiffing alone, rest is just to build case stronger.

[ChuckS]

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I call BS that Woj deflected it on Ben here. Main point was that Kyrie can't be trusted and that's why Marks/Tsai have to move another direction. What he's not saying and what dumb ass Kyrie supporters won't admit is that, BK investors want Kyrie gone !!! Moving Kyrie means trading KD, will Saltics do JB trade now? Hell NO !!!

Will NOP do trade for KD now? Not likely, Zion is still fatso who can't stay healthy and Ingram can/will attract second fiddle players to come play along.

As I said in other trade, Kyrie and Seth should've been traded to LA. Russ and 2 unprotected 1st picks was/is highway robbery. Marks should be fired for whiffing alone, rest is just to build case stronger.

I want to preface this by saying that I am not particularly a Kyrie Irving fan. I just do not particularly dislike him, or any player, so I know I will be considered just another "dumb ass" with my tendency to play "devil's advocate". I thought the failure to get the Covid vaccine ruined our season. I disagreed with his thinking and I understand the disgust. Conversely, I, personally, thought the outrage over the relatively few days of birthday absence was excessive, and other absences were for legitimate injury reasons, to the best of my recollection.

But I would have questioned Marks, and particularly Tsai if they did that LA trade. How could that even be considered when already paying an outrageous luxury tax. They would have given up the current and probably future better player, for one with a ten million dollar larger contract. It also would have been compounded by having to add Curry, who, I think, has been our best and most clutch non-superstar, playoff three point shooter. In his last playoff with Philly he averaged 58/51% shooting, 19 PPG. With us it was 56/52% at 15 PPG on a bad ankle. Heck, except for the volume and overall effectiveness of particularly KD, that would be our best shooting, and actually was, at least as far as efficiency.

I don't know who these investors are, or what they thought or expressed, but I question their judgement, when actual teammates seem to have a different opinion of his value and our needs. And I was surprised, when in off site appearances this summer, he seemed to attract the greatest number of fans. Of course, I do not know if they outnumber his detractors, or buy as many tickets. (Who can tell when one person on the internet, by sheer energy and repetition can seem like thousands, and incite a lynch mob?) So maybe you and the investors are right.

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie sat down for an interview with Ian Begley and apologized pretty thoroughly.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2022/11/19/23468297/in-sny-interview-kyrie-irving-apologizes-for-the-hurt-he-brought-to-jewish-community

I thought this was clear and contrite. He even admits he did not handle it the right way and stated his intentions for sharing the video.

This part however stood out to me the most:

Irving also said he needed to speak to his younger fans.

“That was probably the most painful experience of all this,” he said. “….Specifically when they look to me for peace and love and to see me in this type of light, painted as a person who is going against another community or going against some people or assuming or putting out that I have hate in my heart. It just wasn’t easy to see or deal with.”

So he understands. Good. What I saw from his fans was not something he should want to be associated with.

It's not on me to forgive him though. But I give him credit for coming forth, being apologetic and speaking on it in depth.

[NetsWorld]

Kyrie sat down for an interview with Ian Begley and apologized pretty thoroughly.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2022/11/19/23468297/in-sny-interview-kyrie-irving-apologizes-for-the-hurt-he-brought-to-jewish-community

I thought this was clear and contrite. He even admits he did not handle it the right way and stated his intentions for sharing the video.

This part however stood out to me the most:

Irving also said he needed to speak to his younger fans.

“That was probably the most painful experience of all this,” he said. “….Specifically when they look to me for peace and love and to see me in this type of light, painted as a person who is going against another community or going against some people or assuming or putting out that I have hate in my heart. It just wasn’t easy to see or deal with.”

So he understands. Good. What I saw from his fans was not something he should want to be associated with.

It's not on me to forgive him though. But I give him credit for coming forth, being apologetic and speaking on it in depth.

I hope we can move past it and get this team winning games again.

[GTR11]

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I call BS that Woj deflected it on Ben here. Main point was that Kyrie can't be trusted and that's why Marks/Tsai have to move another direction. What he's not saying and what dumb ass Kyrie supporters won't admit is that, BK investors want Kyrie gone !!! Moving Kyrie means trading KD, will Saltics do JB trade now? Hell NO !!!

Will NOP do trade for KD now? Not likely, Zion is still fatso who can't stay healthy and Ingram can/will attract second fiddle players to come play along.

As I said in other trade, Kyrie and Seth should've been traded to LA. Russ and 2 unprotected 1st picks was/is highway robbery. Marks should be fired for whiffing alone, rest is just to build case stronger.

I want to preface this by saying that I am not particularly a Kyrie Irving fan. I just do not particularly dislike him, or any player, so I know I will be considered just another "dumb ass" with my tendency to play "devil's advocate". I thought the failure to get the Covid vaccine ruined our season. I disagreed with his thinking and I understand the disgust. Conversely, I, personally, thought the outrage over the relatively few days of birthday absence was excessive, and other absences were for legitimate injury reasons, to the best of my recollection.

But I would have questioned Marks, and particularly Tsai if they did that LA trade. How could that even be considered when already paying an outrageous luxury tax. They would have given up the current and probably future better player, for one with a ten million dollar larger contract. It also would have been compounded by having to add Curry, who, I think, has been our best and most clutch non-superstar, playoff three point shooter. In his last playoff with Philly he averaged 58/51% shooting, 19 PPG. With us it was 56/52% at 15 PPG on a bad ankle. Heck, except for the volume and overall effectiveness of particularly KD, that would be our best shooting, and actually was, at least as far as efficiency.

I don't know who these investors are, or what they thought or expressed, but I question their judgement, when actual teammates seem to have a different opinion of his value and our needs. And I was surprised, when in off site appearances this summer, he seemed to attract the greatest number of fans. Of course, I do not know if they outnumber his detractors, or buy as many tickets. (Who can tell when one person on the internet, by sheer energy and repetition can seem like thousands, and incite a lynch mob?) So maybe you and the investors are right.

Beside chip winning year, every team Kyrie been on underachieved and imploded. Call me hater and all, that trend won't change at all. We don't have LBJ here.

[GTR11]

Kyrie sat down for an interview with Ian Begley and apologized pretty thoroughly.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2022/11/19/23468297/in-sny-interview-kyrie-irving-apologizes-for-the-hurt-he-brought-to-jewish-community

I thought this was clear and contrite. He even admits he did not handle it the right way and stated his intentions for sharing the video.

This part however stood out to me the most:

Irving also said he needed to speak to his younger fans.

“That was probably the most painful experience of all this,” he said. “….Specifically when they look to me for peace and love and to see me in this type of light, painted as a person who is going against another community or going against some people or assuming or putting out that I have hate in my heart. It just wasn’t easy to see or deal with.”

So he understands. Good. What I saw from his fans was not something he should want to be associated with.

It's not on me to forgive him though. But I give him credit for coming forth, being apologetic and speaking on it in depth.

Kyrie is a lot of things, racist is not one of them. Media just overhyped something out of nothing. Doesn't excuse Kyrie from being stupid though. As a walking circus, he should know better that he will be misrepresented when chance is given. He gave them reasons to do so over the years he's been in the league.

Problem still stands with Kyrie. Can he be trusted to be a reliable max player. The answer is clearly no.

That's without us starting talk about what happened between him and Nash. How exactly he will coexist with JV and will he follow the lead. Consider me skeptic. I know for fact, if he won't suspend himself, he will get hurt. It's been the case since he entered this franchise, it's been the case years prior. Nothing changed, nothing will change.

[Gooner]

Kyrie sat down for an interview with Ian Begley and apologized pretty thoroughly.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2022/11/19/23468297/in-sny-interview-kyrie-irving-apologizes-for-the-hurt-he-brought-to-jewish-community

I thought this was clear and contrite. He even admits he did not handle it the right way and stated his intentions for sharing the video.

This part however stood out to me the most:

Irving also said he needed to speak to his younger fans.

“That was probably the most painful experience of all this,” he said. “….Specifically when they look to me for peace and love and to see me in this type of light, painted as a person who is going against another community or going against some people or assuming or putting out that I have hate in my heart. It just wasn’t easy to see or deal with.”

So he understands. Good. What I saw from his fans was not something he should want to be associated with.

It's not on me to forgive him though. But I give him credit for coming forth, being apologetic and speaking on it in depth.

Kyrie is a lot of things, racist is not one of them. Media just overhyped something out of nothing. Doesn't excuse Kyrie from being stupid though. As a walking circus, he should know better that he will be misrepresented when chance is given. He gave them reasons to do so over the years he's been in the league.

Problem still stands with Kyrie. Can he be trusted to be a reliable max player. The answer is clearly no.

That's without us starting talk about what happened between him and Nash. How exactly he will coexist with JV and will he follow the lead. Consider me skeptic. I know for fact, if he won't suspend himself, he will get hurt. It's been the case since he entered this franchise, it's been the case years prior. Nothing changed, nothing will change.

Kyrie was asking to be humbled and he got it. If this doesn't make him more focused on his actual job in all this, which is basketball, nothing will. I don't believe his apology was sincere at all, but he had to do it to save his career. Apparently basketball matters to him after all.

[sashaturiaf]

Good signs that Kyrie is finally taking some accountability for his actions based off his comments.

He really needed some tough love to remember he actually plays a TEAM sport and he finally got it. Nash was an enabler and KD is a completely hands-off you do you teammate. The boss finally saw through this and had to take matters into his own hands.