Nets/Nix PG: Birthday boy Brook with the game winner

[jeff1624]

Jack kills us when he comes in and only looks for his shot. I have no issue with him taking the shot when he has the space and the opening but for god's sake, if you're on the floor with Brook attempt to get the ball in his hands.

Exactly. Jack usually finishes with a respectable stat line for a backup PG which kind of masks how awful of an effect he can have on the team. Most of the time when Jack gets the ball he pounds the air of the thing for 15 seconds before either driving and stopping for an almost always ill faded mid range jumpshot... or he passes it to Anderson/Bogdanovic with very little time left and they have to rush a shot. And you can't fully take the ball away because he's damn near useless without it.

[SIC]

Jack kills us when he comes in and only looks for his shot. I have no issue with him taking the shot when he has the space and the opening but for god's sake, if you're on the floor with Brook attempt to get the ball in his hands.

The worse part of Jack's Jacking Up is that the majority of his shots are contested and are usually very early in the shot clock.

Jack should not be a back up PG. Jack can work like Thornton. You put him in for 10 minutes a game so he can score a quick 10pts and HOPE he doesnt give up 10pts on defense while he is there.

[SIC]

Jack is an above average back up point guard. The problem is that he's been asked to be our first scoring options at times so he's developed that mind set. When the offense is stagnant then him looking to score is beneficial. When the offense in humming and Joe and Brook are hot then we really want him to just be a facilitator. He needs to just recognize the situation and play accordingly.

My biggest issue with him and the second unit is defense.


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Many times though, the offense is stagnant because of HIM.... can't speak about last night cuz I didn't see it but in the indy game, our offense was clicking, everyone was touching the ball etc... Jack comes in and we lose a near 19 pt lead.... Chuckers cheese I call him, he went for his own, didn't set up his teammates, his teammates became bystanders cuz Jack was giving up the ball plus he shoots so early into the clock...

There's times we'll need him to be a scorer but ignoring your open teammates is not cool, his personal show isn't best for the team...

if he were to attack the rim with his floaters, i'm good with that cuz those are nearly automatic.

Lately he's killed our offensive momentum I agree. But earlier in the season we needed him to score because our main offensive weapons were bad. He just needs to adjust his mindset and game because guys are starting to play better. And playing defense would be good too.


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I dont know what BKing was thinking when they got him, but he was terrible as a BACK UP PG earlier in the season. Yeah he was scoring but he was also screwing up the second unit adding to all the other early season issues.

[MrDollarBills]

Losing Livingston was a huge blow, and we didnt have any money to pay anyone else.

[Trader_Joe]

Watched the game again.. and like with the Pacers, I hate that we don't have the killer instinct to put a team away early. Last night was also odd because they didn't feature Lopez like they have been. It was as though they wanted to see if they could win without him dominating.

Overall, I'll take it, but I hope the team wasn't content with the way they played. They may feel good about tying Miami, but both Miami and Boston have tiebreakers, so we still have to keep winning and control our own destiny.

[MGrand15]

It's funny this Jack issue has been going on all year. Destroying our 2nd unit. His one decent stretch was as a starter. Says a lot about this guy that he plays 15x better as a starter vs coming off the bench. This is the guy that this board has been riding for all year. Hopefully he heats up and Hollins figures something out with the 2nd unit. We might need to throw Earl Clark or CJ at PF instead of Joe Johnson for limited minutes

[Trader_Joe]

It's funny this Jack issue has been going on all year. Destroying our 2nd unit. His one decent stretch was as a starter. Says a lot about this guy that he plays 15x better as a starter vs coming off the bench. This is the guy that this board has been riding for all year. Hopefully he heats up and Hollins figures something out with the 2nd unit. We might need to throw Earl Clark or CJ at PF instead of Joe Johnson for limited minutes

Plumlee too is one of those guys that plays much better as a starter.

[Prokorov]

Watched the game again.. and like with the Pacers, I hate that we don't have the killer instinct to put a team away early. Last night was also odd because they didn't feature Lopez like they have been. It was as though they wanted to see if they could win without him dominating.

Overall, I'll take it, but I hope the team wasn't content with the way they played. They may feel good about tying Miami, but both Miami and Boston have tiebreakers, so we still have to keep winning and control our own destiny.

knicks went under almost everything and just had their bigs stick to lopez on screens. i think we are gonna see that exclusively going forward. indiana made that adjustment and i think teams are going to continue it until our gaurds prove they can hit that open jumper.

if you let lopez catch at 8-10 feet its shown he is going to pretty much make you pay for it. teams are going to force him to get his offense for himself instead of catch and finish. or at least thats how id do it

[Trader_Joe]

Watched the game again.. and like with the Pacers, I hate that we don't have the killer instinct to put a team away early. Last night was also odd because they didn't feature Lopez like they have been. It was as though they wanted to see if they could win without him dominating.

Overall, I'll take it, but I hope the team wasn't content with the way they played. They may feel good about tying Miami, but both Miami and Boston have tiebreakers, so we still have to keep winning and control our own destiny.

knicks went under almost everything and just had their bigs stick to lopez on screens. i think we are gonna see that exclusively going forward. indiana made that adjustment and i think teams are going to continue it until our gaurds prove they can hit that open jumper.

if you let lopez catch at 8-10 feet its shown he is going to pretty much make you pay for it. teams are going to force him to get his offense for himself instead of catch and finish. or at least thats how id do it

Watched the game for a third time I still didn't see the same number of pick and rolls or drive and dishes as previous games. Slightly better D but mainly the Nets weren't looking for him. D.Will, Jack and Johnson had some serious tunnel vision IMO.

[NyCeEvO]

Watched the game again.. and like with the Pacers, I hate that we don't have the killer instinct to put a team away early. Last night was also odd because they didn't feature Lopez like they have been. It was as though they wanted to see if they could win without him dominating.

Overall, I'll take it, but I hope the team wasn't content with the way they played. They may feel good about tying Miami, but both Miami and Boston have tiebreakers, so we still have to keep winning and control our own destiny.

knicks went under almost everything and just had their bigs stick to lopez on screens. i think we are gonna see that exclusively going forward. indiana made that adjustment and i think teams are going to continue it until our gaurds prove they can hit that open jumper.

if you let lopez catch at 8-10 feet its shown he is going to pretty much make you pay for it. teams are going to force him to get his offense for himself instead of catch and finish. or at least thats how id do it

Watched the game for a third time I still didn't see the same number of pick and rolls or drive and dishes as previous games. Slightly better D but mainly the Nets weren't looking for him. D.Will, Jack and Johnson had some serious tunnel vision IMO.

Or Lopez could call for the ball.

I can't remember the last big man with his amount of talent be so passive when it comes to demanding the ball. You don't see Lopez setup a lot and they just refuse to give it to him.

Basketball 101 is that you don't give your big guy the ball in the post until they established position and you can make a clear pass to him. If Lopez actually demanded the ball more, I'm sure he wouldn't go through so many long stretches where he's not turning over the ball.

One of the reasons why he works well with D-Will is because D-Will decides to run those PnP plays which are designed for Lopez to get the ball off the bounce and do something with it. But if you leave it up to Lopez, he'd almost never call his own number. He's gotta start doing that and not just wait for his teammates to give it to him whenever they want to do so.

[Trader_Joe]

knicks went under almost everything and just had their bigs stick to lopez on screens. i think we are gonna see that exclusively going forward. indiana made that adjustment and i think teams are going to continue it until our gaurds prove they can hit that open jumper.

if you let lopez catch at 8-10 feet its shown he is going to pretty much make you pay for it. teams are going to force him to get his offense for himself instead of catch and finish. or at least thats how id do it

Watched the game for a third time I still didn't see the same number of pick and rolls or drive and dishes as previous games. Slightly better D but mainly the Nets weren't looking for him. D.Will, Jack and Johnson had some serious tunnel vision IMO.

Or Lopez could call for the ball.

I can't remember the last big man with his amount of talent be so passive when it comes to demanding the ball. You don't see Lopez setup a lot and they just refuse to give it to him.

Basketball 101 is that you don't give your big guy the ball in the post until they established position and you can make a clear pass to him. If Lopez actually demanded the ball more, I'm sure he wouldn't go through so many long stretches where he's not turning over the ball.

One of the reasons why he works well with D-Will is because D-Will decides to run those PnP plays which are designed for Lopez to get the ball off the bounce and do something with it. But if you leave it up to Lopez, he'd almost never call his own number. He's gotta start doing that and not just wait for his teammates to give it to him whenever they want to do so.

His coach and teammates have to recognize him first and foremost.
Additionally, JJ, Jack and D will ignored him on a couple drives where he was clearly an option.
Lopez can call for it all he want..on nearly every possession he had his hands up ready for the ball but I don't think an Iso where he calls for it matters much.

[Prokorov]

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Or Lopez could call for the ball.

I can't remember the last big man with his amount of talent be so passive when it comes to demanding the ball. You don't see Lopez setup a lot and they just refuse to give it to him.

Basketball 101 is that you don't give your big guy the ball in the post until they established position and you can make a clear pass to him. If Lopez actually demanded the ball more, I'm sure he wouldn't go through so many long stretches where he's not turning over the ball.

One of the reasons why he works well with D-Will is because D-Will decides to run those PnP plays which are designed for Lopez to get the ball off the bounce and do something with it. But if you leave it up to Lopez, he'd almost never call his own number. He's gotta start doing that and not just wait for his teammates to give it to him whenever they want to do so.

the problem is lopez in situations where you give it to him and ask him to score 1 on 1 is not all that good of a player. sure once and a while you dump it to him but those situations usually result in worse shots and/or ball stopping. he too often takes a dirk fade, a stand still banker or a hook shoot pushed way far outside.

his face ups are pretty solid t, but his back to the basket needs work. wish he would adopt that drop step move. with his size it should be his go to on the block.

either way, im fine with brook getting 20+ FGA a game, but i want 95% of those to be the catch and go variety, and very few if any beeing on isos