Jeremy Lin's Impact Discussion thread

[Rich Rane]

Love how everybody has their radar so acutely attuned to the mention of ANY player in a sentence along with Lin... as if any mere mention of a good player, regardless of context or meaning, is red meat to jump all over it as proof that fans think Lin is the Greatest Of All Time...lol

Right, it's my problem when I raise an eyebrow when a poster uses Lin and LeBron in the same sentence.

Again, I'd even just like an answer to my first question if you could on what point you were trying to make in the first place.

What's wrong with saying Lin is a poor-man's Lebron? Both have a major impact on winning, much more than their numbers show. Sure Lebrons the best player in the league, but nothing wrong with being a top 5 PG

Because I don't see it. I'm sorry, but I simply don't. I really like Lin and I'm glad he's here, but not only do I not see him as a Top 5 PG, but I see it as asinine to put him in that category, especially this season.

[Prokorov]

If you hate Lin fans so much why do you keep arguing with them every day?

What are you accomplishing?

This discussion is going nowhere.

I'm not a huge Lin fan either, but these arguments are just a waste of time.

Mods approve of keeping the Lin argumentation on this thread so less of it bleeds to other threads - probably a decent idea.

Lin is controversial to much of the basketball world he sucks and is grossly overrated and attracts much hate anytime he does or doesn't do something, bad stats/good stats.

All Lin does is help generate Wins, that's all he's ever wanted to do. When I have time I'm happy to tangle with the haters.

Lin is only overrated by a subset of his fans.... i think he is appreciated for what he is in most circles. And i dont see how it is "hating" on lin to say his isnt in the same class as a player or with respect to impact as league MVP and all-NBA players. I mean if you want to argue Lin vs george hill or teague and say Lins intagables give him the nod over those guys even though they may have slightly better numbers... sure, i can understand that view point.

But i mean, Russell Westbrook is averaging a triple double for the season. Harden is closing in on the records for 20/10 games and 30/10 games in a season. Curry had statistically the 2nd or 3rd best offensive season of all time last year leading a 73 win team. When you compare lin to those guys, or even go so far as to say lin has a bigger impact then those guys its hard to sympathize with anyone saying that isnt overrating him... and hard to sympathize with calling others "haters" for not agree with such an off the wall opinion without a shred of evidence to come close to backing it up.

[Rich Rane]

Lin is controversial to much of the basketball world he sucks

Who even in this thread said this?

All Lin does is help generate Wins, that's all he's ever wanted to do.

What player on the team doesn't want this?

[reelsgm]

If you hate Lin fans so much why do you keep arguing with them every day?

What are you accomplishing?

This discussion is going nowhere.

I'm not a huge Lin fan either, but these arguments are just a waste of time.

Mods approve of keeping the Lin argumentation on this thread so less of it bleeds to other threads - probably a decent idea.

Lin is controversial to much of the basketball world he sucks and is grossly overrated and attracts much hate anytime he does or doesn't do something, bad stats/good stats.

All Lin does is help generate Wins, that's all he's ever wanted to do. When I have time I'm happy to tangle with the haters.

Lin is only overrated by a subset of his fans.... i think he is appreciated for what he is in most circles. And i dont see how it is "hating" on lin to say his isnt in the same class as a player or with respect to impact as league MVP and all-NBA players. I mean if you want to argue Lin vs george hill or teague and say Lins intagables give him the nod over those guys even though they may have slightly better numbers... sure, i can understand that view point.

But i mean, Russell Westbrook is averaging a triple double for the season. Harden is closing in on the records for 20/10 games and 30/10 games in a season. Curry had statistically the 2nd or 3rd best offensive season of all time last year leading a 73 win team. When you compare lin to those guys, or even go so far as to say lin has a bigger impact then those guys its hard to sympathize with anyone saying that isnt overrating him... and hard to sympathize with calling others "haters" for not agree with such an off the wall opinion without a shred of evidence to come close to backing it up.

You're beating a dead horse and adding nothing repeating yourself in 5 different ways.

Unless you have a HISTORICAL EXAMPLE of someone who has come into the worst team 3/4 of the way through the season and is doing what Lin is helping to do - you are just spouting.

[reelsgm]

Lin is controversial to much of the basketball world he sucks

Who even in this thread said this?

All Lin does is help generate Wins, that's all he's ever wanted to do.

What player on the team doesn't want this?

You can go back to last summer the day that Lin signed with Brooklyn the controversies manifested on this board; now that isn't unusual it happened in HOU, LAL, CHA and here in BRK - hopefully this is the last team Lin plays for until he's old and gray.

[Rich Rane]

You can go back to last summer the day that Lin signed with Brooklyn the controversies manifested on this board; now that isn't unusual it happened in HOU, LAL, CHA and here in BRK - hopefully this is the last team Lin plays for until he's old and gray.

My question to you on people saying Lin sucks was:

Who even in this thread said this?

If you can't come up with a name, YOU are bringing those "controversies" here.

[Prokorov]

Right, it's my problem when I raise an eyebrow when a poster uses Lin and LeBron in the same sentence.

Again, I'd even just like an answer to my first question if you could on what point you were trying to make in the first place.

What's wrong with saying Lin is a poor-man's Lebron? Both have a major impact on winning, much more than their numbers show. Sure Lebrons the best player in the league, but nothing wrong with being a top 5 PG

Because I don't see it. I'm sorry, but I simply don't. I really like Lin and I'm glad he's here, but not only do I not see him as a Top 5 PG, but I see it as asinine to put him in that category, especially this season.

Westbrook - 32 points, 10.5 rebounds, 10.5 assists, 30 PER 56 TS% -- 15.91 win shares/6.37 RPM
Curry - 25 points, 6.5 assists, 4.5 rebounds, 25 PER 62 TS% -- 15.27 win shares/6.24 RPM
Wall - 23 points, 11 assists, 4 rebounds, 24 PER 54 TS% -- 10.64 win shares/5.52 RPM
Lowry - 23 points 7 assists, 5 rebounds, 23 PER 62 TS% - 11.54 win shares/5.88 RPM
Paul - 18 points 10 assists, 5 rebounds, 26 PER 61 TS% -- 11.79 win shares/7.88 RPM
Lillard - 26 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, 24 PER 59 TS% -- 10.23 win shares/3.39 RPM

Lin -14 points, 5 assisnts, 3 rebounds,18 PER 55 TS% -- 1.33 Win shares/ -0.30 RPM


I have to agree rich. I dont see the case for Lin to be a top 5 point gaurd... and with the evidence we have it is tough to even make a case for it. Production wise lin isnt close to the top 5-6 point gaurds. efficiency wise lin isnt close to the top 5-6 point gaurds. analaytical impact wise he isnt close to the top 5-6 point gaurds.

This is why i said early I find it really hard to see why anyone would make the argument that paul, or the long list of other top NBA point gaurds couldnt also lead this team to a 9-12 stint we've had the past 20 games. Lin is at a slight negative RPM... while those other guys are enormous positives. Wins shares those guys are in the 10-15 range. and from a production stand point some of those guys are at hall of fame levels.

Maybe I'm being a hater or there is some bias. but i just dont see the case to be made for Lin here.

[reelsgm]

You can go back to last summer the day that Lin signed with Brooklyn the controversies manifested on this board; now that isn't unusual it happened in HOU, LAL, CHA and here in BRK - hopefully this is the last team Lin plays for until he's old and gray.

My question to you on people saying Lin sucks was:

Who even in this thread said this?

If you can't come up with a name, YOU are bringing those "controversies" here.

Do you really want me to dredge out names?
Is this what you want your forum to be about?
Because if it is then I will gladly give you links to the threads which you seek.
I would hope you want more from your forum.

[Prokorov]

You're beating a dead horse and adding nothing repeating yourself in 5 different ways.

Unless you have a HISTORICAL EXAMPLE of someone who has come into the worst team 3/4 of the way through the season and is doing what Lin is helping to do - you are just spouting.

I'd disagree and tend to think its you beating the dead horse and spouting off... as ive post some empirical evidence and shown the analytical data on impact for the gaurds in question vs lin.

You are trying to send me on a fools errand to prove something that is already fairly obvious. It is a very unique situation... maybe one weve never seen. How many teams have even had a 2-40 stretch of play ever? 2? 3? 4? so your already dealing with a non exsistant sample.

Michael Jordan never led a team coming off a 2-40 stretch to a 9-12 record after missing time with injury. does that mean if we had prime MJ he coudlnt do what lin has done? what about shaq? he never did it either. Wilt? Kareem?

[Rich Rane]

I would hope you want more from your forum.

For God's sake, I just want Lin worship and arguments if it's Lin worship or not to not derail threads for the moment. I'm done. Please start a new thread and not on this. New thread gets derailed again, look for suspensions to be handed down.