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NBA Playoffs Rd 1 Game 2: Nets @ Sixers 8:00pm EST 4/15/19 (Nets 1-0 Lead)

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Re: NBA Playoffs Rd 1 Game 2: Nets @ Sixers 8:00pm EST 4/15/19 (Nets 1-0 Lead) 

Post#341 » by DeRoma » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:45 pm

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NyCeEvO wrote:Is it arguable? I think it’s pretty clear that he’s been the 3rd best.

But tbh I kinda foresaw him not being as effective because of the Sixers’ length and athleticism.

Caris and Dinwiddie can still get into the paint and to the basket because of their great first step and athletic ability. Aside from his height, DLo really doesn’t have a way to physically impose himself on the defense. His overall impact is mainly dictated by his ability to make shots; if he’s not making shots at a respectable clip, his impact will be limited. The Sixers have long defenders who can stay with DLo on the drive but also get a hand in his face to impede his shots better than most other teams.

Another benefit of making the playoffs is that it gives us a better look at our guys against better competition in a series. Obviously, I want DLo to find a way and over come it, but if he doesn’t, I do wonder if raises the collective eyebrow of management even a little bit.


No it doesn't, because management isn't kneejerk like the fans on this board are. Only yall somehow think that Russell is going to be thrown in the trash based on the outcome of this series instead of taking the entire collective body of work into consideration. Its funny how this kind of talk starts up always after a bad loss. When Russell was torching Philly in the 3rd of game 1, and closed them out in the 4th, it was crickets.

Asking whether his performance “raising a collective eyebrow of management a little bit” is tantamount to him being “thrown in the trash”?

I don’t even know to respond to this.

I’m tired of so much what people said being taken to the extreme. No one said anything close to that and yet somehow it’s misconstrued into hidden agendas and hatred for DLo. I don’t how anything of what has been said can be interpreted as such.

If you want people to clarify a point so you have a better understanding of what they’re trying to say, then ask for it. Unless it’s crystal clear, stop assuming things that weren’t said.

It’s so hard to have long, civil conversations especially after losses, because those who espouse a particular viewpoint can’t restrain themselves from attacking those who don’t share the same views. It’s ridiculous.

Do I think management is clutching ownership’s purse strings and has team accountants constantly re-evaluating how much they want to offer DLo after every miss or make, or even bad game? No, of course not.

If it does appear that Russell struggles with the length of the Sixers, do I think the coaching staff/management will at least think about ways to address it going forward considering that (assuming health) we should be playoff foes for years to come? Yes.

I was probably the first person in Game 1 to say that Russell needs to have a 2nd ballhandler playing alongside him because when the Sixers see that he’s the only on the ball threat, they key on him and make it very difficult for him to get clean looks.


It's hard to really analyze DLO when you consider everything into perspective especially what he represent for this team. He is taking on the hard task of being the face of the franchise but his talent level is questionable to the point where you ask if he is your leader is he capable of bringing this team into perennial success? What's even more puzzling is that in order for everyone to play well, he needs a high USG% in order for him to play at a high level. At the situation we are in at this moment it's passable considering that all of our top players are in a similar talent level. However, the problem lingers at the hypothetical moment we get a top tier talent to pair next to him where that X player will need the same amount of possessions DLO needs in order to play at their optimum peak. I've been watching the GSW series after the Nets game and I always caught myself comparing Steph to DLO and All I can think of is Steph blows him out of the water. Yes, I understand DLO is 23 and steph is 30 which skill level wise it's understandable. However, the real difference between both players are how much quicker steph react and makes a more efficient decision using his talent. This thought process is what makes me question him continuing as the face of our franchise.

At the end of the day it's not like I'll make the decision of what will happen with our players. I'm just glad Marks are in the game watching our guys play. I trust him and he'll make the optimal decision for us going forward.
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Re: NBA Playoffs Rd 1 Game 2: Nets @ Sixers 8:00pm EST 4/15/19 (Nets 1-0 Lead) 

Post#342 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:46 pm

Well what a frustrating night. I blowout my tire on 287 around 8:45 on the way home from dinner and bubble the rear one. Wait almost 2 hours for AAA because 2 tow companies cancelled on me after a half hour each, at which point I'm wishing I didn't have triple A and I would have just changed the **** ing thing myself, grease and Nets jersey be damned... Then I get to sit there in the shoulder with tractor trailers whizzing by while listening to the Nets get dismantled! Lol, welp...
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Post#343 » by MGrand15 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:28 pm

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NyCeEvO wrote:Asking whether his performance “raising a collective eyebrow of management a little bit” is tantamount to him being “thrown in the trash”?

I don’t even know to respond to this.

I’m tired of so much what people said being taken to the extreme. No one said anything close to that and yet somehow it’s misconstrued into hidden agendas and hatred for DLo. I don’t how any thing of what has been said can be interpreted as such. It’s ridiculous.


dude I never accused you of having a hidden agenda. All I said is that management isn't kneejerk like people on this board (or in Nets online fandom in general) are, which I found the whole "raising a collective eyebrow of management" remark to be.

Russell isn't going anywhere regardless of the outcome of this series, where the Nets are playing with house money to begin with, and also frankly speaking, while his efficiency isn't anywhere where either of us would like to be through these two games, when you break things down to context, is Russell out there playing terrible? No.

Last night he poured in 16 pts in the 1st half while hitting huge shots to keep this team on pace before the collective wheels fell off. Game 1, he had the yips in the 1st half and rebounded with a monster second half. It isn't like he's out there, as Prok put it, pulling a Kyle Lowry or a Deron Williams.

This is my point.

You based most of your post on what “raising a collective eyebrow of management” meant to you, even though the intent of that comment wasn’t even close to what you thought it was.

No one said he played horrifically bad. The general commentary was simply that he hasn’t been as effective as he had in the lead up to the all star game, which is true.

You’re defending DLo by referencing Lowry and Deron, but no one brought them up as points of comparison. There are so many levels of gradation between DLo and the performances of those two, I don’t know why they should even come to mind, especially considering that no one is talking about him as if he played as bad as they did.


There's a pretty strong anti-anti-Russell crowd here that just jumps on any little criticism. I said DLo took bad shots in the 1st half of Game 1 and had everyone responding that those are the same exact shots he always takes. After the game, Kenny flat out said he took bad shots in the 1st half then adjusted.

With that said, in response to your actual point, I don't think this changes anything in management's eyes. We know what Russell is. He's not James Harden or Giannis. He's not a freak athlete who's running through any defender. He's not a 1 man offense. That's fine. There's like 5 guys in the league who fit that category. He's in a super tough position because our starters don't have any other ball handlers or 1v1 scorers. You can throw a wing on him and hide weaker guards on Rodi or Joe Harris or DMC. Any point guard including Curry, Dame (who got embarrassed by this type of defense last year), Kyrie is going to have some struggles in that situation.

That's exactly why we have LeVert and Dinwiddie to take pressure off him. That's why we're looking for an all star type wing in the offseason. I don't think any of this is surprising to management or the coaching staff.

Russell actually handled all of it really well in the 1st half of G2 and 2nd half of G1. Our starters were right there with them even without a secondary ball handler. We just got crushed in the 3rd. If anything, I bet Marks is thrilled with Russell's progress so far. Philly's crowd is crazy. Simmons is the biggest guard defender in the league. Embiid is one of the best rim protectors in the league. Russell is out there guarding JIMMY BUTLER. Russell easily could've cracked and gotten completely shut down.
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Post#344 » by kamaze » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:15 pm

Embiid is a bully but none of our bigs will hit him back. After the game big Jay said the elbow wasn't intentional when clearly it was Embiid and Simmons were laughing about it in the press conference.
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Post#345 » by IceManBK1 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:58 pm

I wish we got julius Randle in this series. He had 22 and 10reb and 19 and 14reb gm vs philly this yr. We would be much more physical and better at reb.
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Post#346 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:01 am

kamaze wrote:Embiid is a bully but none of our bigs will hit him back. After the game big Jay said the elbow wasn't intentional when clearly it was Embiid and Simmons were laughing about it in the press conference.


I don't think it's wise for the Nets to come out there and elbow Joel Embiid in the face

the officiating has been pretty one sided through both games. we can't afford to have anyone kicked out of the game aside from Traveon Graham.
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Post#347 » by kamaze » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:50 am

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kamaze wrote:Embiid is a bully but none of our bigs will hit him back. After the game big Jay said the elbow wasn't intentional when clearly it was Embiid and Simmons were laughing about it in the press conference.


I don't think it's wise for the Nets to come out there and elbow Joel Embiid in the face

the officiating has been pretty one sided through both games. we can't afford to have anyone kicked out of the game aside from Traveon Graham.


I'm not talking about getting kicked out of the game just hitting him back.
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Post#348 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:40 pm

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kamaze wrote:Embiid is a bully but none of our bigs will hit him back. After the game big Jay said the elbow wasn't intentional when clearly it was Embiid and Simmons were laughing about it in the press conference.


I don't think it's wise for the Nets to come out there and elbow Joel Embiid in the face

the officiating has been pretty one sided through both games. we can't afford to have anyone kicked out of the game aside from Traveon Graham.


I'm not talking about getting kicked out of the game just hitting him back.


Hitting him back will absolutely get someone kicked out of the game and most likely suspended. the refs aren't stupid. Unless someone delivers a hard bang bang play that is within the realm of the rules, any crap like throwing an elbow or shoving someone in mid air will be costly. we need all hands on deck.
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Post#349 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:36 pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26547245/nets-angry-76ers-stars-laughing-apology

NEW YORK -- Brooklyn Nets guard Caris LeVert took exception to Philadelphia 76ers stars Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons laughing when Embiid apologized for elbowing Jarrett Allen in Game 2 of their playoff series.

"We didn't really like that. We thought that was kind of disrespectful, especially after the elbow he threw," LeVert said after the Nets practiced on Wednesday. "It is what it is. There's no love lost. It's a playoff series. We expect that."

Embiid's elbow to Allen's face late in the first half of the Sixers' Game 2 win was ruled a flagrant foul.

Embiid apologized for the elbow during his postgame news conference and said it wasn't intentional. As Embiid relayed the apology, he and Simmons started laughing.

"I'm not usually humble, that's why he's laughing," Embiid said during the news conference. "But, yeah, I was just trying to be aggressive."

When asked on Wednesday if he believed Embiid's explanation about the laughter, Nets veteran Jared Dudley said, "I just buy him being a silly guy. He's a carefree guy. I don't think he was intentionally going to hit him, but any time you throw your 'bows like that, you put yourself out there."

Some Nets, including Allen, downplayed any ill feelings over Embiid and Simmons' laughing.

"Two young guys doing, saying whatever they said in the moment. It is what it is," Spencer Dinwiddie said. "It's not something that we can play into, right, because if we get into a physicality match, if [Allen] throws the same elbow and hits Joel, he's getting ejected. That's just kind of what it is. We can't play that game."


But Dudley, who will return for Game 3 after missing Game 2 with a calf injury, made it clear that it didn't sit well with him.

"I felt a certain type of way for it just because you're laughing and someone could have really gotten hurt," Dudley said. "Now, luckily, Jay did pop up. That's been Embiid's personality, but just because it's your personality doesn't mean it's right. So, for us, you can either get even however you want to do it, but the biggest thing for us to get even is winning Game 3."



^^^Spencer basically says what I've been saying, if Allen does that crap to Embiid, he's getting tossed. the NBA is a joke.

Nets need to knock dudes on their asses tomorrow though, eff that. No lay ups. Nothing dirty, but if someone's going up make sure they feel it and can't finish.
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Post#350 » by Hello Brooklyn » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:23 pm

Tonight we will see what this team is made of.

They got punked by Embiid. Will they respond or will they fold over?

All season when we've had adversity we have bounced back. I expect a fight till the end and a win. Lets go Nets.
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Post#351 » by MGrand15 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:08 pm

I wonder if we'll see a new starting lineup. I think we should save it for G4 if things go badly today. Kenny just has to be quicker with the hook if things arent clicking.

I'm not even worried about us retaliating tonight. Dudley is 1000% hip checking someone tonight and making it look like a basketball play. Either Ben or Embiid for laughing at the elbow. Dudley isn't an enforcer or anything like that - but this is definitely the type of stuff he brings to a team.
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Post#352 » by shakendfries » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:30 pm

can someone start the g3 thread? this is the biggest game in nets history
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Post#353 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:56 pm

shakendfries wrote:can someone start the g3 thread? this is the biggest game in nets history


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Post#354 » by 3pt_chucker » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:40 pm

shakendfries wrote:can someone start the g3 thread? this is the biggest game in nets history


By that you mean in Brooklyn Nets history?
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Post#355 » by DarkXaero » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:49 pm

So the thread got locked, are we getting a new one? :lol:

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