GT: Suns @ Nets - 11/27/21 730pm on NBATV

[MrDollarBills]

This loss 110% on Nash and no one else. We should have won this game by 6+ even with the turnovers and Harden having a bad game.

We gave up like 18 straight points on the 1-5 pick and roll with LMA on paul or booker which was an automatic bucket every single time. We did this for like 20-25 straight possessions spanning the 2nd and 3rd quarter with adjustment.

On top of that, The suns had 3 runs 10-0 or better and Nash didnt take a timeout on any of the the three. He also took no timeouts in our several streches of multiple turnovers. he didnt break suns momentum, he did nothing to refocus our sloppy play.

Kyrie or not, this team has ZERO chance to win a title with Nash as coach.

The suns didnt even play well.

Where is Blake Griffin in a game like this?

Nash deserves 100% blame for the decision to switch LMA on a 1-5- pick and roll versus Chris Paul. I 100% agree.

However, James Harden and Kevin Durant turned the ball over 12 times combined and all of those turnovers were lazy, half assed crap outside of the one turnover where Bruce Brown blew an easy catch and lay up.

Harden was terrible tonight and didn't show any aggression. KD bricked a ton of shots he should have made and Devin Booker cooked him early on. This game was over after the 1st quarter

I blame Nash, and I also blame our teams' alpha dogs for this loss. They didn't set the tone. Meanwhile, the Suns set the tone defensively and CP3 and Booker did us dirty. McGee came in and abused us off the bench because Nash is an idiot for playing Milsap at center.

There's a reason why we can't beat good teams, and it revolves around the coach and our best 2 players. Moreso James Harden. Is he going to wait til May to start being aggressive?

[MrDollarBills]

They are just torching us. Pathetic; they just play poorly against elite teams. If you have championship aspirations, you can’t play like that. Suns are waxing the league right now the same way we did last year. Luckily we can’t play both Warriors/Suns as they are out West. It’s one or the other. I hope Marks makes some changes and fine tunes the roster to make a difference against the elite group of teams.

Horrible take.

you dont make knee jerk moves when you have just had the best start in franchise history despite multiple injuries, 10 new players on the roster, and kyrie not playing.

if we were 6-14 you make a panic move. not at 14-6

The Nets need to position themselves in order to compete and we have a massive chunk of our salary cap sitting at home. If you don't think that a move is coming on December you are in denial.

With the news about the new Omnicron Covid variant from South Africa arriving this weekend, the mandates in New York are not going to change. They may actually get stricter.

Kyrie is not coming back

[Prokorov]

My thoughts....

1) If you are going to switch everything, dont play LMA 30+ minutes. Go with Blake/Johnson/Millsap at the 5 so that you dont get eviscerated by paul/booker on the switch. Maybe you give up some cheap 2nd chance points but ill take a few mcgee putbacks over 40 points on switches from their ball handler. If you want to play LMA 30+ minutes, thats fine too but then either:
a. dont switch
b. put KD on ayton and hide LMA on shamet or johnson so when they run the pick and roll its KD on paul/booker after the switch

2) Bembry is a G.

3) We need to run more pick and roll with Harden, especially when the offense is stagnant. we get at the very least an acceptable shot most times down. we bail the dfense out with them showing help high and having Bembry/Carter dribbling with under 8 seconds on the clock

4) I'm not sure how the suns won 17 in a row. They played really poorly tonight. we handed them like 60 easy points between nuforced turnovers and LMA switches. their offense outside that was pretty bad and defensively they dont protect the rim at all. any other coach on the planet and we win this one. probably by double digits

5) Harden played poorly. but that wasnt the issue. and he has been overall very good this year despite not being his top MVP form. We do nothing to get our stars rolling. we do nothing to put them in the best spots to score or put pressure on teams. were basically like "here is the ball, shooter over someone for 48 minutes and dont miss".

6) I like the effort tonight from our players. guys played hard for 48 minutes. we have dogs on this team who wont quit. and KD/Harden compete on D alot more then they did last regular season. its a shame the coaches killed our comeback chances. they deserved to grind this out. especially Bembry/Johnson.

this game is whatever. its 1 game. 14-6, best start in franchise history. im not worried about 4-6 vs. teams over .500 in november. we will get to .500 or better vs those teams which is what you see most years from good teams. few teams are .750 vs everyone. thats like 66+ win territory which is super rare.

Nash needs to go.

[Prokorov]

Nash deserves 100% blame for the decision to switch LMA on a 1-5- pick and roll versus Chris Paul. I 100% agree.

this cost us the game more then anything else

However, James Harden and Kevin Durant turned the ball over 12 times combined and all of those turnovers were lazy, half assed crap outside of the one turnover where Bruce Brown blew an easy catch and lay up.

Thats not all on the players... especially the lazy half-assed ones. I mean if its 5 or 6 thats one thing. but when you turn it over 12-13 times with just a few minutes gone in the second quarter, and you dont call a timeout to break the bad mojo and refocus your team, at that point it is on the coaching.

Where is the timeout, where is being vocal and letting your team know they need to get their heads out of their rear? Where is running some safe action and actual offensive sets so its not our stars having to make bailout play after bail out play?

Harden was terrible tonight and didn't show any aggression. KD bricked a ton of shots he should have made and Devin Booker cooked him early on. This game was over after the 1st quarter

Suns went on a 13-point run in that quarter with no timeout. it went to the TV timeout to finally stop it. Harden had a bad game. your stars will have some of those. Coaches job is to adjust to that. James isnt being aggressive? run a play for him out of the timeout or a double drag or something that forces a switch... or i dont know, get in his ear and tell him to be over aggressive?

I cant say the game was over in the first when it was a 5-point game with 4 minutes left in the first half. the suns were tired. we made it easy on them. they didnt have to work for offense. just paul switched on LMA.

I blame Nash, and I also blame our teams' alpha dogs for this loss. They didn't set the tone. Meanwhile, the Suns set the tone defensively and CP3 and Booker did us dirty. McGee came in and abused us off the bench because Nash is an idiot for playing Milsap at center.

not much KD or harden could do when LMA is switched on paul. despite not their usual offense both competed on defense and the glass.

There's a reason why we can't beat good teams, and it revolves around the tcoach and our best 2 players. Moreso James Harden. Is he going to wait til May to start being aggressive?

Teams are game planning vs james. they are sending high help before he gets below the 3-point line. they are making him a passer and deciding they will live with step back threes and bembry/LMA beating them. We do absolutely nothing to combat that. rewatch that first half. there were 2 defenders waiting for harden at all times. its why Bembry had so many wide open dunks. i mean, harden still wasnt good. but it wasnt because he was "not aggressive". it was because he bricked open shots/threes and turned it over too much.

We have an insane amount of offensive talent, yet we have to work so hard every time down to score, or even get a quality shot. it is pathetic. with just KD, pretty much every coach in the league would have a top 5 offense. We can force help every time down early and get wide open looks. even with an iso heavy offense.

[Prokorov]

They are just torching us. Pathetic; they just play poorly against elite teams. If you have championship aspirations, you can’t play like that. Suns are waxing the league right now the same way we did last year. Luckily we can’t play both Warriors/Suns as they are out West. It’s one or the other. I hope Marks makes some changes and fine tunes the roster to make a difference against the elite group of teams.

Horrible take.

you dont make knee jerk moves when you have just had the best start in franchise history despite multiple injuries, 10 new players on the roster, and kyrie not playing.

if we were 6-14 you make a panic move. not at 14-6

The Nets need to position themselves in order to compete and we have a massive chunk of our salary cap sitting at home. If you don't think that a move is coming on December you are in denial.

With the news about the new Omnicron Covid variant from South Africa arriving this weekend, the mandates in New York are not going to change. They may actually get stricter.

Kyrie is not coming back

it would be a Billy King level move to make a big move in December. we are 14-6 and not even playing to our peak level or really close to it. if you want to make a trade, do it closer to the deadline when you know what you need, injuries are more clear, and you have seen a larger sample of games vs. tough competition.

The NY Mandate has to change. Not because of Kyrie... there is going to be a massive massive revolt, and tons of violence/murder/suicides. You cant put people out of work when there is a safe alternative for this long. Especially when your democratic president is rolling out a plan that gives non-vaccinated individuals that safe option.

at some point, you have to listen to science and forget politics. especially in a place like NY. the risk is just not there when you have almost 80% vaccinated and the non vaccinated have to get tested/quarantine/wear masks.

its like .01% chance of infection in those circumstances and .00001% chance of breakthrough infection + the infection leading to serious complications.

[Prokorov]

the only thing worse the nash's coaching is him throwing his players under the bus after the game. gross. "they (note: he says they not "us" when referring to nets players) dindt come out with good effort. played sloppy. we coudlnt get momentum"

maybe call a timeout? maybe include yourself in the accountability? maybe motivate your team and point out poor starts in similar situations? i mean... f this dude

[gigantes]

Indulge me in this please, but I'm still making my mind up about Nash as a young, unqualified coach who Sean Marks threw in to the fire for little good reason.

This loss hardly bothers me at all. To me, it's a very, very good team beating a really good (evolving) team, and that's all. Very little to really get upset about.

What really upsets me is THIS-- Kevin Durant just had a MONSTER game, but you don't f-cking play him 45 godamn minutes there, Nash.

You just DON'T do that, son. Because we're here for the long-haul, and a major point of the regular season is to rest our stars as much possible and get everyone in peak form for the playoffs.

&*(^@#&*@#&*$

[sashaturiaf]

My thoughts....


5) we do nothing to put them in the best spots to score or put pressure on teams. were basically like "here is the ball, shooter over someone for 48 minutes and dont miss".
.

That's it right there, sick of losing the possession battle every single game. I'd love to see how much deficit we are in in terms of second chance points and points off turnovers but I'd be surprised if we weren't bottom 5. It feels like we are starting every game with a 15-20 point deficit.

Patty, LMA and KD are lights out right now and we still can't beat good teams. One bad shooting game and we can lose to anybody despite the good defense we are playing.

[Hello Brooklyn]

A disappointing loss. Would have liked a win. We still have the best record in the east and are off to an awesome start.

But I do have some areas of concern

1) Nash. Hes just not good. The Suns constant strategy of switching LMA or Paul and Booker was painfully obvious. Why didn't he adjust? The team just looked unprepared. Nash always gets out coached in games like this. Everything is not his fault. But our defensive strategy was horrible.

2) Harden. I've been patient. This guy is just not at the same level of last year. Can't blame it all the injuries. Mentally he is not there. We will not win the Championship unless Harden plays like a Superstar.

The good news is these issues are fixable. I think Nash is learning and figuring things out. As is the team. I also think Harden will eventually get back in business.

But sucks losing games like this due to dumb mistakes. Hoping we can beat the Knicks and get back on track.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't think the roster needs any changes either.

Joe Harris and Claxton are coming back. They will solve a ton of our problems.

[GTR11]

Nash deserves 100% blame for the decision to switch LMA on a 1-5- pick and roll versus Chris Paul. I 100% agree.

this cost us the game more then anything else

However, James Harden and Kevin Durant turned the ball over 12 times combined and all of those turnovers were lazy, half assed crap outside of the one turnover where Bruce Brown blew an easy catch and lay up.

Thats not all on the players... especially the lazy half-assed ones. I mean if its 5 or 6 thats one thing. but when you turn it over 12-13 times with just a few minutes gone in the second quarter, and you dont call a timeout to break the bad mojo and refocus your team, at that point it is on the coaching.

Where is the timeout, where is being vocal and letting your team know they need to get their heads out of their rear? Where is running some safe action and actual offensive sets so its not our stars having to make bailout play after bail out play?

Harden was terrible tonight and didn't show any aggression. KD bricked a ton of shots he should have made and Devin Booker cooked him early on. This game was over after the 1st quarter

Suns went on a 13-point run in that quarter with no timeout. it went to the TV timeout to finally stop it. Harden had a bad game. your stars will have some of those. Coaches job is to adjust to that. James isnt being aggressive? run a play for him out of the timeout or a double drag or something that forces a switch... or i dont know, get in his ear and tell him to be over aggressive?

I cant say the game was over in the first when it was a 5-point game with 4 minutes left in the first half. the suns were tired. we made it easy on them. they didnt have to work for offense. just paul switched on LMA.

I blame Nash, and I also blame our teams' alpha dogs for this loss. They didn't set the tone. Meanwhile, the Suns set the tone defensively and CP3 and Booker did us dirty. McGee came in and abused us off the bench because Nash is an idiot for playing Milsap at center.

not much KD or harden could do when LMA is switched on paul. despite not their usual offense both competed on defense and the glass.

There's a reason why we can't beat good teams, and it revolves around the tcoach and our best 2 players. Moreso James Harden. Is he going to wait til May to start being aggressive?

Teams are game planning vs james. they are sending high help before he gets below the 3-point line. they are making him a passer and deciding they will live with step back threes and bembry/LMA beating them. We do absolutely nothing to combat that. rewatch that first half. there were 2 defenders waiting for harden at all times. its why Bembry had so many wide open dunks. i mean, harden still wasnt good. but it wasnt because he was "not aggressive". it was because he bricked open shots/threes and turned it over too much.

We have an insane amount of offensive talent, yet we have to work so hard every time down to score, or even get a quality shot. it is pathetic. with just KD, pretty much every coach in the league would have a top 5 offense. We can force help every time down early and get wide open looks. even with an iso heavy offense.

Plain and simple for you Prok. KD and Harden won't listen to 99.9% of these coaches period. One day maybe you'll be able to understand that.

You know why Nash is here right? How many times it has to be said?

[GTR11]

Coaching stuff need to figure it out with Harden, otherwise will be witnessing same s*** over and over again. There's definitely some rift going on.

We need another playmaker asap. Watching KD and Patty trying to run offense making my eyes bleed.

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Duh

I should've looked up post game interviews and Twitter before posting. Well don't really matter, sh** is obvious.

Sh** is toxic right now. Thank you Kyrie.

[Karate Diop]

Maybe I'm moving the goal posts, but I get the feeling Harden won't ramp things up until the all-star break... The #'s are there but the enthusiasm and passion are not...

[gigantes]

Maybe I'm moving the goal posts, but I get the feeling Harden won't ramp things up until the all-star break... The #'s are there but the enthusiasm and passion are not...

Even if that's true, I'm okay with that.

Beard tried to come back too soon last season, and it led to disaster.

Not to mention, I still haven't seen a single Nets fan acknowledge the fact that James is now aging out of his prime, and was never a great athlete to begin with. Almost makes me wonder if people think that Beard is a genetic freak like KD just by association.

When the season started, I was fairly indifferent about the need for Kyrie.
Hooh boy, was I wrong.

[MrDollarBills]

We can't win with Nash as the coach.

Every time he has us switching everything, we get our asses kicked. And yet, he goes right back to doing so despite the evidence that drop coverage is what works best.

It's hard to be excited about our record when we can't beat the top teams in the league. The point differential in our losses versus the league's best teams is really bad. These games aren't even close, and the same issues keep happening: the opponent ends up taking way more shots than we do, Nash decides to inexplicably switch everything, and the turnovers are sky high.

[Ksny13]

Maybe I'm moving the goal posts, but I get the feeling Harden won't ramp things up until the all-star break... The #'s are there but the enthusiasm and passion are not...

Even if that's true, I'm okay with that.

Beard tried to come back too soon last season, and it led to disaster.

Not to mention, I still haven't seen a single Nets fan acknowledge the fact that James is now aging out of his prime, and was never a great athlete to begin with. Almost makes me wonder if people think that Beard is a genetic freak like KD just by association.

When the season started, I was fairly indifferent about the need for Kyrie.
Hooh boy, was I wrong.

Hardens game has never been based on athleticism. His game should age very well.