SF_Warriors wrote:Dwill - King traded favors, then two picks, one of which became the #3 the following year.
Sure, they got Dwill, but he was a pending free agent, meaning he couldv'e left and BKN wouldv'e been left with nothing.
In hindsight good deal. When it happened, I was like WTF he is a free agent lol.
Also, I do not think anyone wouldve given Dwill 20 mill a year, other than maybe the Mavs
It was a huge haul of assets for an impending free agent in just a season and a half. People look back and say we gave up Harris, Favors, Kanter and what ended up being Gorgui Deng at 21st overall in the 2013 draft. But you have to look at the value of those pieces at the time of the trade.
Harris was an All Star PG in 2009 and still had value early in 2011 when the D Will trade was done, granted he was by far the least valuable piece in the deal here.
Favors was seen as the next huge defensive presence who had Howard athletic ability with tremendous upside to grow plus he was the 3rd overall pick made that season.
We sent our own draft pick which was completely unprotected. It ended up being the 3rd overall pick in the 2012 draft, that pick alone has huge value regardless of looking at who the Jazz selected, a 3rd overall pick has tremendous trading value.
Then to cap it off we sent a top 7 protected 2012 1st rounder from GSW, who at the time of the trade were sitting outside the playoff race but they were by no means tanking and a late lotto pick looked certain. GSW went on to commit the most disgusting and obvious tank job I've ever seen and they were lucky enough to sneak into the 7th overall pick allowing them to keep their lotto pick that year which ended up being Harrison Barnes.
That is a crazy valuable amount of assets that we sent to Utah for pretty much an expiring contract. I thought it was an overpay at the time and it cleaned out. We had really good assets with cap space going forward and the moves King made with these just haven't worked out.
SF_Warriors wrote:Joe Johnson- Gave up two first round picks for a guy ATL probably wouldve been happy to give a pick to send away.
Seriously bad negotiating there. Probably couldve convince ATL to give him a pick. Pure specualation here, however.
We gave up 1 first round pick for Johnson but we also included the right to swap picks with up in 2014 and 2015. The laughably thing about this trade is Johnson's deal was seen as one of the two worst contracts in the NBA along with Amare Stoudemire's. Atlanta wanted to DUMP Johnson's deal, they wanted him off the cap badly to give them roll to make moves. A team that wants to dump a deal, ala Gerald Wallace from us to the Celtics, have to give up assets to do so due to the player being a negative asset. Joe Johnson was and is a negative asset due to the huge size of his deal and yet we gave positive assets (expiring contracts, 1st round pick, right to swap picks in 14 & 15) for Johnson, an awful trade.
PS This is nothing against Johnson because I like the guy, one of the few likeable guys on our team who seems to give a toss but we're talking purely on a business level here.
SF_Warriors wrote:Gwall - Gave away ANOTHER lotto pick for ANOTHER pending free agent to be.
Don't need to say anything here than the obvious, it was a panic move.
SF_Warriors wrote:KG and PP - This was actually not a bad gamble, but it definitly is not paying off at the moment
It was a horrible gamble. Outside of winning a championship it was a straight up nuts move. We now don't outright own our own draft choice until 2019 now for what probably will be 1 year of use out of both KG & Pierce.
2014 pick goes to ATL or Celtics, 2015 pick swap with ATL, 2016 unprotected to Celtics, 2017 pick swap with Celtics, 2018 unprotected to Celtics. That's insane. Having those pick swap option also completely ruins the value of trying to use those picks in trades because there is no clue how low in the 1st round they will be, basically they are tainted assets in 2015 and 2017.
SF_Warriors wrote:Kidd - So let's say you are the GM of a team that has a 1 or 2 year window at the most. How many of you would think, "Gee let's hire a rookie head coach."
King's main target was Brian Shaw but ownership were contacted by Kidd's agent about giving him an interview with King to put forward his case. King met with Shaw for 8 hours and liked him, was his preferred choice but he ended up giving Kidd the job. I even remember King waxing lyrical about the interview with Kidd and how he blew him away.
SF_Warriors wrote:I think all these are fireable offenses.
He dodged huge bullets convincing Dwill and Gwall to stay since he gave up such great assets.
He got swindled by ATL
Kidd is a disaster hiring for this team
I'd argue the only trade King came out on top of in the entire time he has been GM was the Terrence Williams deal.
