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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1461 » by Roy Tarpley » Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:44 pm

GoodDayLa wrote:
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This is a fantastic post and this is where the foundation of our disagreements lie. Let's revisit when the season ends.


LOL, I think Prokorov expertly identified that GoodDayLa is not a troll but rather a super Lin fan whose world will come crashing down if the Nets can't make the playoffs.


My world? No not at all.

If a healthy Lin and Brook miss the playoffs, it would lead me to believe i have very poor basketball analysis skills and we're talking a lot of basketball through the years at this point. It would also tell me I had blinders on for Jlin and was reaching way too far. However either way the result will be interesting for me personally and it'll be fun.

Now I did say Lin & Brook have to stay healthy. They've both got to play in at least 70+ games.


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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1462 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:05 am

GoodDayLa wrote:
Roy Tarpley wrote:
GoodDayLa wrote:
This is a fantastic post and this is where the foundation of our disagreements lie. Let's revisit when the season ends.


LOL, I think Prokorov expertly identified that GoodDayLa is not a troll but rather a super Lin fan whose world will come crashing down if the Nets can't make the playoffs.


If a healthy Lin and Brook miss the playoffs, it would lead me to believe i have very poor basketball analysis skills and we're talking a lot of basketball through the years at this point. It would also tell me I had blinders on for Jlin and was reaching way too far.

So if they win 44 games and since the other borderline teams play great they barely miss the playoffs you're like the above.
So if they win 39 games and since the other borderline teams have a lot of injuries they make the playoffs it's the opposite?
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1463 » by 13th Man » Tue Oct 18, 2016 2:25 am

He's a troll with way too much time on his hands. Nobody can be this illogical, it's one thing to reach far but another to have zero sense of logic even after so many have explained to him that only 2-3 players in the league could perhaps carry this team to the playoffs. The guy refuses to take that into account but even worse his ridiculous conditions for Lin make no sense all. No true Lin fan would have such absurd expectations of him but that's his angle, to play the delusional Lin fan.

He's a troll plain and simple and have bought time to annoy everybody for the rest of the season, especially real Lin fans. My guess is that he's really from Houston and is using LA as a mask. Notice that he joined only 8 days ago and causing a **** via 11 posts a day, true Lin fans don't burst onto major forums to cause havoc like this. Where was this dude the past 4 years? That's right most likely on Clutchfans.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1464 » by PG13 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:46 am

13th Man wrote:He's a troll with way too much time on his hands. Nobody can be this illogical, it's one thing to reach far but another to have zero sense of logic even after so many have explained to him that only 2-3 players in the league could perhaps carry this team to the playoffs. The guy refuses to take that into account but even worse his ridiculous conditions for Lin make no sense all. No true Lin fan would have such absurd expectations of him but that's his angle, to play the delusional Lin fan.

He's a troll plain and simple and have bought time to annoy everybody for the rest of the season, especially real Lin fans. My guess is that he's really from Houston and is using LA as a mask. Notice that he joined only 8 days ago and causing a **** via 11 posts a day, true Lin fans don't bust onto major forums to cause havoc like this. Where was this dude the past 4 years? That's right most likely on Clutchfans.


He's trying to get this thread locked. Wonder if the mods will bite?
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1465 » by lin is ok » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:57 am

As a lin fan i would like to put it out there. I am grateful that the nets has goven lin a chance to lead . But to Win games, the bench needs to magically step up. I am bracing myself when the going gets tough.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1466 » by 13th Man » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:09 am

lin is ok wrote:As a lin fan i would like to put it out there. I am grateful that the nets has goven lin a chance to lead . But to Win games, the bench needs to magically step up. I am bracing myself when the going gets tough.


I was going to place 2K on the (over 19.5 to win 1.66) but now am having doubts lol. It's going to be a very long season, Lin's going to put up some decent numbers but it won't be satisfying if the team doesn't win.
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Post#1467 » by bws94 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:39 am

13th Man wrote:
lin is ok wrote:As a lin fan i would like to put it out there. I am grateful that the nets has goven lin a chance to lead . But to Win games, the bench needs to magically step up. I am bracing myself when the going gets tough.


I was going to place 2K on the (over 19.5 to win 1.66) but now am having doubts lol. It's going to be a very long season, Lin's going to put up some decent numbers but it won't be satisfying if the team doesn't win.


magically. yeah, well, seems like quite the long shot at this point.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1468 » by sidestep » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:57 am

13th Man wrote:I was going to place 2K on the (over 19.5 to win 1.66) but now am having doubts lol. It's going to be a very long season, Lin's going to put up some decent numbers but it won't be satisfying if the team doesn't win.

I tried to place a bet but the site I used didn't accept deposits from a NY address. I didn't bother trying other sites.

I'd still take the over. Winning 20 games doesn't look easy with the poor depth on this team, but losing 60 games is hard to do, especially with guys who play hard. It takes a special convergence of crap, a rare alignment of garbage to lose 60 games.

It's Billy King's bench that really broke the game open. But the starters (minus Booker) were competitive with Boston, which is a good team in the east, especially defensively. And the team hasn't even had a chance to gel. It can only get better from here.

Barring catastrophic injury to main players, I still think taking the over is a no brainer.
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Post#1469 » by hood30 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:43 am

this team is lacking an athletic big man that is at least 6'10 who can rebound and block some shot..and also run some PnR with Lin.

Booker looks athletic and fast enough but is only about 6'7....Lopez, Scola, Hamilton are to slow and un-athletic...CMC and Bennet are a bit to soft/fragile with bad hands.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1470 » by hood30 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:45 am

sidestep wrote:
13th Man wrote:I was going to place 2K on the (over 19.5 to win 1.66) but now am having doubts lol. It's going to be a very long season, Lin's going to put up some decent numbers but it won't be satisfying if the team doesn't win.

I tried to place a bet but the site I used didn't accept deposits from a NY address. I didn't both trying other sites.

I'd still take the over. Winning 20 games doesn't look easy with the poor depth on this team, but losing 60 games is hard to do, especially with guys who play hard. It takes a special convergence of crap, a rare alignment of garbage to lose 60 games.

It's Billy King's bench that really broke the game open. But the starters (minus Booker) were competitive with Boston, which is a good team in the east, especially defensively. And the team hasn't even had a chance to gel. It can only get better from here.

Barring catastrophic injury to main players, I still think taking the over is a no brainer.


which site are you using?..I don't trust some of these betting site online....I hear some of them would close your account if you win too much.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1471 » by hood30 » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:25 am

Vae Victus wrote:I tend to be optimistic on Lin and the Nets (i estimate their wins at 32). After watching the pre-season games an seeing the dearth of wing talent/experience, i've no doubt that Lin will play 36 mins a night, be allowed to call his own number whenever he wants, shoot the 3 at a ~38% clip (more experience with the new shot form and confidence he's allowed to pull whenever he wants), and also log a bunch of mins at SG. I foresee Lin posting 22/8/4/1.5/1 stats, cuz he's gonna be forced to do EVERYTHING for the team that his body can provide. I see him coughing up 3.5 TOs a game too as he'll be forcing alot of passes to try to get teammates going, but being the primary ball handler for most of his court time means he'll get alot of easy assists (catch and shoot, fast break deflections/steals).

Obvious stat inflation due to the fact that the team is lacking in scoring options after Lin, BroLo, and Bogs. He'll make a strong push for all-star due to the Lin fans in Asia but fall just short.

I see him jacking up 6 3s a game, getting around 8 FTAs a game as he'll be fully unleashed on his penetration game and being a primary option so around 18 FGAs a game on avg. I see him getting his FG% up to around 45% overall in tandem based on his vastly increased 3pt% and being a terror on penetration. His scoring will be very efficient considering how a large part of his game will be predicated on 3s and FTs. He'll be pulling alot of boards as i see Nets wings being forced to crash instead of leaking for fast breaks. He'll up his steal and block avgs simply due to playing more mins.

I see a career year out of Lin that only people who pay attention to him would know is coming from being fully unleashed. Lin and D'Angelo Russell will be competing neck and neck for Most Improved Player of the year :D

Am i being incredibly optimistic? SURE! Lets hope Lin proves me right!

Edit: In short i'm basically predicting Lin will turn into a Mini-Harden but with more D 8-)


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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1472 » by Paradise » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:06 am

Jeremy with 13/5 on .82 TS% in 19 minutes and his defense was good. DefRTG: 93.3.

I could see Jeremy getting at least 10 points off free throws alone with 8 more points from the perimeter.




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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1473 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:15 am

GoodDayLa wrote:
Roy Tarpley wrote:
GoodDayLa wrote:
This is a fantastic post and this is where the foundation of our disagreements lie. Let's revisit when the season ends.


LOL, I think Prokorov expertly identified that GoodDayLa is not a troll but rather a super Lin fan whose world will come crashing down if the Nets can't make the playoffs.


My world? No not at all.

If a healthy Lin and Brook miss the playoffs, it would lead me to believe i have very poor basketball analysis skills and we're talking a lot of basketball through the years at this point. It would also tell me I had blinders on for Jlin and was reaching way too far. However either way the result will be interesting for me personally and it'll be fun.

Now I did say Lin & Brook have to stay healthy. They've both got to play in at least 70+ games.


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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1474 » by imanshar » Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:48 pm

GoodDayLA is a Lin fan who knows nothing about basketball. People don't even take him seriously in Lin fan forum.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1475 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:37 pm

imanshar wrote:GoodDayLA is a Lin fan who knows nothing about basketball. People don't even take him seriously in Lin fan forum.

Thing is, he does know something about bball. It's just that his views are......a little funny lets say, or perhaps one could call it, of an extremely idiosyncratic type. 8-)
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1476 » by GoodDayLa » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:46 pm

ChokeFasncists wrote:
GoodDayLa wrote:
Roy Tarpley wrote:
LOL, I think Prokorov expertly identified that GoodDayLa is not a troll but rather a super Lin fan whose world will come crashing down if the Nets can't make the playoffs.


If a healthy Lin and Brook miss the playoffs, it would lead me to believe i have very poor basketball analysis skills and we're talking a lot of basketball through the years at this point. It would also tell me I had blinders on for Jlin and was reaching way too far.

So if they win 44 games and since the other borderline teams play great they barely miss the playoffs you're like the above.
So if they win 39 games and since the other borderline teams have a lot of injuries they make the playoffs it's the opposite?
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nobody puts an asterisk on the Warriors champion season except Charles Barkley since other teams got a lot of injuries.

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Post#1477 » by Vae Victus » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:49 pm

hood30 wrote:Hey, did you disabled your private message?..I can't reply to your message.


Apparently it was, i just reset it. However i cant give any advice on online betting sites as i'm also a bit sketchy on them too.

Paradise wrote:Jeremy with 13/5 on .82 TS% in 19 minutes and his defense was good. DefRTG: 93.3.

I could see Jeremy getting at least 10 points off free throws alone with 8 more points from the perimeter.




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No way in hell Lin will avg 10 pts off of FTs alone. It'll be a stretch for him to avg 8 FTs a game in a motion share offense, and as a 80% FT shooter he'll likey get 5-6 pts off of FTs a game. Also i see him pulling from range alot and getting 1.5-2 made 3s a game. Add in 2-3 layups/close range and a coupla mid range shots and basically thats how i got Lin avging 20-21 points for the season.

Lin will definitely be aggressive and attack the paint hard. If he can establish his 3pt shot it'll make his penetration game so much more deadly. BroLo and other bigs need to be ready down low for dump offs or cleaning up the glass off of Lins near miss layups.

Edit: Lin's D imho was always underrated. And i say underrated cuz he was always "rated" as utterly terrible for years for no good reason. Lin will be solid on that end, he'll get destroyed by the superstars, but for the most part he'll do well and make his man work to earn those points. As well as relentlessly attacking his opponent down the floor to wear him out.
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Post#1478 » by anthoang » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:17 pm

There's been some talk about the Hall-of-Fame and after much thinking, I am expecting Lin to be inducted into the Hall-of-Fame. But before the mod closes this thread, let me explain (I'll even add some NJ Nets history).

In the early 90s I was a huge Drazen Petrovic fan from his rookie season until sadly, the car accident. I even bought his rookie card for $1 when he was a rookie. When I saw him play in Portland, I could tell he had to skills to be a superstar even though he was a backup to Drexler and Porter. He finally got his chance with the trade to the Nets. He had two really good seasons for the Nets until the crash ended it all. As many of you Nets fans may know, Drazen was inducted into the HOF.

Lin has been a backup to Steph and Kemba. But he'll get a chance to prove the doubters wrong with the Nets like Drazen did 20+ years ago. If Lin continues this season like he has done in the preseason, I think he's a shoe-in for HOF. But WAIT! You probably still think I'm crazy. Let me continue my explanation,

The 2016 HOF class was Shaq, Iverson and Yao Ming. They all deserved to be in the HOF with their prolific stats. But did you know that others were also inducted to the HOF in 2016? People like, Zelmo Beaty, Darrell Garretson, Tom Izzo, Cumberland Posey, Jerry Reinsdorf, Sheryl Swoopes. Its like, who are these people?!! Remember the BASKETBALL HOF is not an NBA HOF(NBA HOF does not exist). The BASKETBALL HOF are for players, coaches, owners, and even freaking refs! Many of the people in the HOF were not All-Stars for even had big stats. The HOF is basically for people who have contributed to the sport of Basketball.

Even if Lin retires today, he'll have a good chance to be inducted to the HOF. Linsanity was the stuff of legends. I can't recall any other sportsman who was able to capture so much attention on a global scale and on all demographics. Sure, you got players like Lebron, Kobe, but people who don't follow basketball, won't know who these players are. During Linsanity, even non-sports folks were exposed to basketball. Lin bought in entire countries(Taiwan, China, Asia) to follow basketball. Lin has done more for the sport than any other referee -- for sure.

If Lin can have two decent years with the Nets, I believe he will be the inducted into the HOF as the first BROOKLYN Net.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1479 » by JohnStockton » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:39 pm

Jeremy used to be a below-average defender IMO. Then he got to somewhere being average defensively. Last year, he seemingly took a solid step forward and became a clear plus-defender. This is based on just the eye test.

That said, I haven't liked Jeremy's defense that much so far. He's been okay at best, but I've seen him get beaten off the dribble badly on a handful of occasions.

While it's important to give credit to JLin for being a very good defender last year, it is also important to note that he played that defense against Shooting Guards. Because of that, I was a bit unsure of how to rate his defense against Point Guards.

At this [too early] point, it seems like Jeremy has gone back to having average defensive impact on the game.

However, I don't think this is some physical/skill reversion or something.

I think it's due to the fact that with the league downsizing, Lin at 6'3--with good contesting instincts and a speed advantage over all Shooting guards--can guard and contest the vast majority of Shooting Guards in the league. The only SGs who gave him trouble were SGs with post games (Joe Johnson/Wade), and very large SGs who could just shoot over him (Klay 6'6). Almost everyone else, he covered well.

However, this year at the PG position, Lin has given up man-on-man penetration quite often, and his defensive impact hasn't been the same. I think this is clearly due to the nature that opposing PGs are just a lot quicker off the dribble than SGs. To be fair, it's pretty much impossible to keep competent PGs out of getting penetration without handchecking, so it's not a huge knock to Lin--but it also means that Lin won't have as much of a defensive impact as he did last year (just through the nature of playing PG).

One of the perks of having Lin is that he has combo-guard ability, but the team can't take advantage of that because they don't have another competent PG to play alongside him if they want to slide him to the 2. Another issue is that if Lin allows penetration, this team doesn't have mobile bigs that can cover up for the penetration and recover to their man in time. The closest thing they have is Booker... and he's the only big capable of doing that. All the other bigs are very laterally slow. This is what is going to kill the team IMO. Even if they play good fundamental defense and give good rotations, their big-men will still rotate too slowly... simply because they're naturally slow footed.
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Re: The Official Lin Net Thread 

Post#1480 » by GoodDayLa » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:08 pm

JohnStockton wrote:Jeremy used to be a below-average defender IMO. Then he got to somewhere being average defensively. Last year, he seemingly took a solid step forward and became a clear plus-defender. This is based on just the eye test.

That said, I haven't liked Jeremy's defense that much so far. He's been okay at best, but I've seen him get beaten off the dribble badly on a handful of occasions.

While it's important to give credit to JLin for being a very good defender last year, it is also important to note that he played that defense against Shooting Guards. Because of that, I was a bit unsure of how to rate his defense against Point Guards.

At this [too early] point, it seems like Jeremy has gone back to having average defensive impact on the game.

However, I don't think this is some physical/skill reversion or something.

I think it's due to the fact that with the league downsizing, Lin at 6'3--with good contesting instincts and a speed advantage over all Shooting guards--can guard and contest the vast majority of Shooting Guards in the league. The only SGs who gave him trouble were SGs with post games (Joe Johnson/Wade), and very large SGs who could just shoot over him (Klay 6'6). Almost everyone else, he covered well.

However, this year at the PG position, Lin has given up man-on-man penetration quite often, and his defensive impact hasn't been the same. I think this is clearly due to the nature that opposing PGs are just a lot quicker off the dribble than SGs. To be fair, it's pretty much impossible to keep competent PGs out of getting penetration without handchecking, so it's not a huge knock to Lin--but it also means that Lin won't have as much of a defensive impact as he did last year (just through the nature of playing PG).

One of the perks of having Lin is that he has combo-guard ability, but the team can't take advantage of that because they don't have another competent PG to play alongside him if they want to slide him to the 2. Another issue is that if Lin allows penetration, this team doesn't have mobile bigs that can cover up for the penetration and recover to their man in time. The closest thing they have is Booker... and he's the only big capable of doing that. All the other bigs are very laterally slow. This is what is going to kill the team IMO. Even if they play good fundamental defense and give good rotations, their big-men will still rotate too slowly... simply because they're naturally slow footed.


Good analysis. My only disagreement is that I think Lin has been the same defender since his rookie year in Golden State and slowly declined due to age, usage on his legs, and bulking up. Perception about him changed, that is all. He was the teams designated PG defensive specialist in Golden State to someone who supposedly couldn't guard a cone in Houston, to more of that in LA, to ok defender in Charlotte.

Your actual analysis is pretty sensible and seems on point. I agree with most of it. I actually think Lin's looked pretty bad on defense in the preseason particularly against IT in the last game. Keep in mind, I've seen Lin play harder defensively and he kind of looks like he's going through the motions at times this pre season.

However, I think this worry about defense is overrated with Lin.

I'm on the school of thought that you need to be decent on both ends. If you can't score, you can be a great defender but still lose every game.

For me, Lin's a B defender but an A offensive talent. He's a net positive and this will become clear as the season goes on in my belief.

Sure, he gives up points on a drive or shot, then he goes and gets 3 layups or dump offs of his own so its a net positive. This happens to every single NBA player and every team. The key isn't if Lin can stop every single PG from penetration (he can't & nobody can). But can he make life tough on that end with his team and then do damage on offensive? That he can.

Lastly I agree on Booker's value. They could use more athletic smart bigs. I wish they got Gerald Green for the wing at 2 guard even as a bench guy who is missing a finger.

Look at Boston. Lin can't guard IT and Bojan can't guard Bradley? It's even scarier the other way. IT can't guard Lin AT ALL and Bojan can bully Bradley in the post or shoot over the much shorter guy.

The reason the team is losing in preseason is Vaquez is a D on offense and an C on defense. And we've got Bojan handling the ball on the perimeter trying to cross up defenders instead of catching and shooting and driving decisively off triple threat because he's stuck playing with recently cut players all pre-season & Vasquez as his PG instead of Lin. If Kenny can fix these issues, this team can compete.

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