Nets @ Bucks | 10.19.2021 @ 7:30 PM on TNT

MrDollarBills · Post #161 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:08 am

GREY 1769 wrote:I'm just here for the Patty Thrills love. That's Bala at his best on O.

Patty was hitting some ridiculous threes. Honestly, he was the only guy that came into this game ready for battle. everyone else was BS'ing.

harlem_ball · Post #162 » by **harlem_ball** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:11 am

Sharcm1 wrote:It disappointed me that Nash has made zero adjustments from last season. The switching defense was the problem last year and seems like they are staying with it. It causes too many mis matches, even if they get the stop they are out of position for rebounding and give up offensive rebounds. All of the rebounding issues and defense miscommunications is from this switching defense.

where's DAntoni when you need him?

MrDollarBills · Post #163 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:14 am

harlem_ball wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:It disappointed me that Nash has made zero adjustments from last season. The switching defense was the problem last year and seems like they are staying with it. It causes too many mis matches, even if they get the stop they are out of position for rebounding and give up offensive rebounds. All of the rebounding issues and defense miscommunications is from this switching defense.

where's DAntoni when you need him?

The issue is, you can't just use a switching defense if the personnel isn't right for it. LMA in switching defensive schemes is not going to work, he's going to have to drop back and the guard will have to get through the screen. if its claxton out there, yes, switch everything.

We should be showing different looks on defense as is though. switches, traps, zone up

Whiskey Slick · Post #164 » by **Whiskey Slick** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:16 am

Anyone who blames Nash or anyone else other than Kyrie for this debacle ....

WAKE UP!!!!

He sabotaged this season ... PERIOD.

DarkXaero · Post #165 » by **DarkXaero** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:23 am

Patty Mills was the only Net to play well tonight. Bucks ran up the score in garbage time so I really don't care about the final score but Mills 3pt shooting kept us in the game for most of it. KD has a good statline tonight but he did not have a good overall game. Harden similarly subpar. Blake was okay in the minutes he got. Rest of the team was bad. We played big against the Bucks tonight but we were still getting destroyed on the boards early and Bucks killed us in transition all night. That was an effort issue, Bucks just wanted it a lot more tonight.

DarkXaero · Post #166 » by **DarkXaero** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:26 am

LedZepp007 wrote:GG. Harden reminded me of why he scares me so much and Durant was Durant. Nash’s rotations were puzzling, but I’m sure he will figure it out at some point. Jesus Lord, the Mills pickup was genius

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It'll take time for Nash to figure out rotations, we've had a lot of roster changes outside of the core. No Kyrie makes this much more challenging than it would have been. That being said, Nets were sluggish the entire night tonight. Bucks continued to dominate us on the boards despite us playing a big lineup, and then we were getting killed in transition, even off our own makes. That cannot happen.

Born_Ready · Post #167 » by **Born_Ready** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:30 am

The Nets did not look good tonight. I realize (after the game and beers) it’s way too early to blow stuff out of proportion.

I am going to remain optimistic even though I didn’t see any thing differently than I saw in the 7 game playoff series against the Bucks. Bucks still kept a commanding lead even w/o Jure Holiday on the floor. They are deep and play well together. Don’t know if I can say that about BK but there’s 81 games left to go, right?

Back to my optimism, there is a group of veterans in the locker room with championship pedigree, so hopefully tonight’s blemish was just due to rustiness, etc. I trust they will come together and get it right in no time.

Post #168 » by **CalamityX12** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:33 am

Team is poorly assembled on paper and on the court.

Led by a doors, sorry Nash, it's not good lol.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #169 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:36 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
GREY 1769 wrote:I'm just here for the Patty Thrills love. That's Bala at his best on O.

Patty was hitting some ridiculous threes. Honestly, he was the only guy that came into this game ready for battle. everyone else was BS'ing.

Patty is what Harris wishes he could be.

LOUiS-D · Post #170 » by **LOUiS-D** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:44 am

CalamityX12 wrote:Team is poorly assembled on paper and on the court.

Led by a doors, sorry Nash, it's not good lol.

What we are is spoiled for choice. We have everything we need and then some. It's a good problem, but it's still a problem. It will take in game time to establish good lineups. This is all injury insurance. We know as well as any other team that health can be fleeting.

Not trying to defend Nash. He's a bottom 5-10 coach in the league. I just don't get the doom and gloom.

DarkXaero · Post #171 » by **DarkXaero** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:47 am

CalamityX12 wrote:Team is poorly assembled on paper and on the court.

Led by a doors, sorry Nash, it's not good lol.

Overdramatic. Game 1 of 82.

Prokorov · Post #172 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:57 am

Disappointing game... We played poorly in so many aspects. FT shooting, turnovers, miscommunications on defense, etc. My thoughts on the game:

1) This was a master class in why you dont go "big" in the modern NBA. ESPECIALLY if you aren't adding shot blocking at both the 4/5 by going big. The benefit of added rebounds (which we didnt even get) is DRASTICALLY negated by not being able to switch everything and allowing defenses to sag off not 1 but 2 players. You dont need 5 shooters at all time but you wont be as good with just 2 or 3 on the floor. I'm all for playing with different rotations, so im not going to kill Nash for seeing how it played out, but it is pretty clear there is almost 0 benefit of going big in todays league.

2) Harden/Durant didnt play nearly enough minutes together. It was less then 16 total minutes together. I get staggering them with the bench, but too many long stretches' of us getting killed when 1 was on the bench. We can also live 4 minutes with mills running it with harden/KD sitting vs their all-bench squad.

3) MAKE MIDDLETON a DRIVER! MAKE MIDDLETON a DRIVER! MAKE MIDDLETON a DRIVER! MAKE MIDDLETON a DRIVER! MAKE MIDDLETON a DRIVER! MAKE MIDDLETON a DRIVER! MAKE MIDDLETON a DRIVER! MAKE MIDDLETON a DRIVER! MAKE MIDDLETON a DRIVER! MAKE MIDDLETON a DRIVER! MAKE MIDDLETON a DRIVER!

I'm not sure how this staff doesnt get it by now. You have guys terrified of him driving giving him the pull up when he doesnt draw falls or finish particularly well as a driver. Let him drive! he wants that jumper. make him drive and maybe give a hard foul.

4) STOP Helping on Giannis! Let the dude go 1 on 1. if he scores he scores. 6 of his 7 assists led to three pointers. You want to wall him off in transition fine, but we constantly double him in the half court. sag off him and dare him to shoot or make him work someone in the post or throw himself at the rim. better off with giannis getting 50 and shutting down shooters then giannis with 30 and all their role shooters racking up threes.

5) Claxton had alot of lob opportunities, but many were contested because we went big. opponents help off the corner on pick and roll lobs. when thats Blake griffin, they can get away with it. when thats a shooter they cant. Harris needs to be on that weakside and blake at PF in the corner doesnt make the D think twice about helping there and he wont make the pay as often. Claxton had stone hands tonight, but you see the added value of harden with a lob threat. They will sync up with more time

6) There is a place for LMA on this team. he is good blake insurance. He is good for quality minutes as a 3rd center. He can give you size in certain matchups for 10 minutes a game.... being a top 8 rotation guy and getting 18ish minutes is not the place for him. Defensively he makes it tough to compete on that end as a team. Offensively he doesnt space the floor, isnt a pick and roll threat, and stalls things with his mid range shots and slow post ups. Vs. a backup unit for a few minutes or when blakes out? sure... otherwise there are 4 better options at center (Blake, Claxton, Johnson, Milsap). Hopefully that becomes clear to the coaches sooner vs. later.

People over reacting big time to 1 game. We played poorly, our coaches never adjusted and it was on the road. Blaming Kyrie is equally idiotic. we got 21 from mills on elite shooting and had Harden/KD. If the players cant find a way to make it competitive with that they need to look at themselves, not ky.

We are fine. This effort as bad as it was probably beats 1/2 the league and we will likely play better then this on most nights. Ditch going big outside of sprinkling it in, some more chemistry, and coaches pulling their heads out of their rear and we'll sleep walk to 55+ wins

Prokorov · Post #173 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:59 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
GREY 1769 wrote:I'm just here for the Patty Thrills love. That's Bala at his best on O.

Patty was hitting some ridiculous threes. Honestly, he was the only guy that came into this game ready for battle. everyone else was BS'ing.

Patty is what Harris wishes he could be.

I mean, Harris is pretty damn elite as a shooter. shot 60% from three tonight. he had some bad playoff games in big spots. but overall he has been about as good as you could possibly ask for. He is being drastically overhated on.

Post #174 » by **G R E Y** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:01 am

Prokorov wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Patty was hitting some ridiculous threes. Honestly, he was the only guy that came into this game ready for battle. everyone else was BS'ing.

Patty is what Harris wishes he could be.

I mean, Harris is pretty damn elite as a shooter. shot 60% from three tonight. he had some bad playoff games in big spots. but overall he has been about as good as you could possibly ask for. He is being drastically overhated on.

It may also be a case of shiny new toy joy, but I'm glad the shiny new toy is proving his worth, too. They're a deadly duo of firepower.

Prokorov · Post #175 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:03 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
harlem_ball wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:It disappointed me that Nash has made zero adjustments from last season. The switching defense was the problem last year and seems like they are staying with it. It causes too many mis matches, even if they get the stop they are out of position for rebounding and give up offensive rebounds. All of the rebounding issues and defense miscommunications is from this switching defense.

where's DAntoni when you need him?

The issue is, you can't just use a switching defense if the personnel isn't right for it. LMA in switching defensive schemes is not going to work, he's going to have to drop back and the guard will have to get through the screen. if its claxton out there, yes, switch everything.

We should be showing different looks on defense as is though. switches, traps, zone up

Yeah, if we are going to go big, and if we are going to play LMA minutes that has him on the floor vs opponents starters, we need another strategy then switching everything. He is going to be mismatched. and you cant hide him if your going with 2 bigs.

The lack of adjustments are concerning... but the lack of strategic prep going in is more troubling. The nets have invested too much to go into this game with such a weak game plan. and thats after a 7 game series, they know who milwaukee is and what they do. We kind of went away from alot of what worked in the playoffs too. which was discouraging

Prokorov · Post #176 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:09 am

TheNetsFan wrote:I disagree with the flagrant call. Yes LMA's leg was out a bit, but Middleton's momentum carried him forward over 3 ft. It's not like he was a straight up and down shooter

It is a horrible rule for the NBA. unless you are drastically under cutting the guy, it should just be a common foul. especially on a short close out. dangerous is guys flying in on a close out and taking a guy out.

Meanwhile, Giannis legit punched KD in the face and common foul

Prokorov · Post #177 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:17 am

Another thing of note as I go through my second watch of the game... another horrendously slow start. Part of avoiding that was the defense/effort/toughness guys we added. but we didnt start any. Carter/Bembry/Brown/Johnson were glued to the bench early. Bembry didnt play until garbage time and brown didnt play.

We are much better off with carter or brown starting vs. going big. It will help us avoid these slow starts.

Also, the unnecessary helping off shooters is so hard to watch. One, the guys helping arent shot blockers, it isnt like they are going to come help and make any kind of difference. second, your giving good shooters wide open threes in a super predictable manner. stay at home.

Ballerhogger · Post #178 » by **Ballerhogger** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:24 am

If claxiton can’t start will Blake play center ? They lacks defensive identity right now ..Kd had great scoring night though and mills was good .

Prokorov · Post #179 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:30 am

Ballerhogger wrote:If claxiton can’t start will Blake play center ? They lacks defensive identity right now ..Kd had great scoring night though and mills was good .

Defense wasnt all that bad... too many turnovers and second chance points. We also helped off shooters for no reason and had a few communications issue. but for the most part we contested and played well. going big didnt help. Defense shouldnt be a huge concern. we have the guys to get stops this year. harder to get stops when you turn it over and give them easy buckets.

Prokorov · Post #180 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:47 am

just listened to the post-game comments on yesnetwork.com

Nash: Doesnt seem to be down on the "big" lineups despite admitting it was poor tonight. was asked about not giving up second chance points after saying it was an emphasis he gave kind of a non awnser and said they have time to clean it up

Harden: (the team) gotta get more shots up. pointed out the bucks took 15 more threes then the nets. Talked about 50-50 balls and how they got them all and capitalized on every one. they need to get more of those.

Durant: not sweating 1 of 82. talked about possesion. only turned them over a few times. cant allow teams to take 20 more shots then them. felt like they had some good spurts but kept giving them too many chances.

not alot to disect. they know what was ugly and know they need to do better. 2 off nights sucks as a fan to wait. Glad we play another playoff team on the road for a chance at a quality win.