Lopez for Reggie Jackson falls apart; Nets acquire Thad Young for KG (UPDATE: Page 58)

[Paradise]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kwqrlyn" target="_blank

And include the OKC 1st rounder that Denver got from Cleveland and send it to Brooklyn.

Brooklyn gets: Lamb/Perkins/OKC first rounder
OKC gets: Lopez/Arthur
Denver gets: Jackson/Perry Jones

Great trade for all three teams. Thoughts?

We would prefer taking Perry Jones.

[Luca Brasi]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kwqrlyn" target="_blank

And include the OKC 1st rounder that Denver got from Cleveland and send it to Brooklyn.

Brooklyn gets: Lamb/Perkins/OKC first rounder
OKC gets: Lopez/Arthur
Denver gets: Jackson/Perry Jones

Great trade for all three teams. Thoughts?

We would prefer taking Perry Jones.

That's fine. Flip it. You get Jones, they get Lamb.

The rest of it look good? I honestly think this a no brainer for all three teams.

[Prokorov]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kwqrlyn" target="_blank

And include the OKC 1st rounder that Denver got from Cleveland and send it to Brooklyn.

Brooklyn gets: Lamb/Perkins/OKC first rounder
OKC gets: Lopez/Arthur
Denver gets: Jackson/Perry Jones

Great trade for all three teams. Thoughts?

We would prefer taking Perry Jones.

That's fine. Flip it. You get Jones, they get Lamb.

The rest of it look good? I honestly think this a no brainer for all three teams.

no way, if jackson is involved and lopez is the main piece OKC is getting then jackson needs to come to brooklyn. the first rounder for us is pretty irrelevant and doesnt help us win now.

id rather cut out denver all together or deal lopez to miami instead. perkins is of no use if we cant flip him for a PF and lamb and jones are good but not enough to get us in the playoffs.

[Paradise]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kwqrlyn" target="_blank

And include the OKC 1st rounder that Denver got from Cleveland and send it to Brooklyn.

Brooklyn gets: Lamb/Perkins/OKC first rounder
OKC gets: Lopez/Arthur
Denver gets: Jackson/Perry Jones

Great trade for all three teams. Thoughts?

We would prefer taking Perry Jones.

That's fine. Flip it. You get Jones, they get Lamb.

The rest of it look good? I honestly think this a no brainer for all three teams.

The Nets fans want Lamb, Perkins AND Jones. It's a good deal from that standpoint.

We would prefer taking Perry Jones.

That's fine. Flip it. You get Jones, they get Lamb.

The rest of it look good? I honestly think this a no brainer for all three teams.

no way, if jackson is involved and lopez is the main piece OKC is getting then jackson needs to come to brooklyn. the first rounder for us is pretty irrelevant and doesnt help us win now.

id rather cut out denver all together or deal lopez to miami instead. perkins is of no use if we cant flip him for a PF and lamb and jones are good but not enough to get us in the playoffs.

We are not making the playoffs either way. We are better off collecting prospects and getting under the tax to improve the team this summer. Trying to make the playoffs to marginally hurt the Hawks draft pick is pretty embarrassing at this point. We just need to lay in the bed we've made for ourselves as a franchise and deal with it.

[Shook Jones]

What animal do I have to sacrifice and to which god for this lineup to happen:

Jackson / dWill
Afflalo
Lance/Henderson
Thad
Plumlee

I can live with that for the next 2 yrs.

[MrDollarBills]

We would prefer taking Perry Jones.

That's fine. Flip it. You get Jones, they get Lamb.

The rest of it look good? I honestly think this a no brainer for all three teams.

The Nets fans want Lamb, Perkins AND Jones. It's a good deal from that standpoint.

That's fine. Flip it. You get Jones, they get Lamb.

The rest of it look good? I honestly think this a no brainer for all three teams.

no way, if jackson is involved and lopez is the main piece OKC is getting then jackson needs to come to brooklyn. the first rounder for us is pretty irrelevant and doesnt help us win now.

id rather cut out denver all together or deal lopez to miami instead. perkins is of no use if we cant flip him for a PF and lamb and jones are good but not enough to get us in the playoffs.

We are not making the playoffs either way. We are better off collecting prospects and getting under the tax to improve the team this summer. Trying to make the playoffs to marginally hurt the Hawks draft pick is pretty embarrassing at this point. We just need to lay in the bed we've made for ourselves as a franchise and deal with it.

The humiliation of gifting the Hawks a lottery pick could also cause King's firing if the media shames the Nets enough.

[Prokorov]

the idea that we cant make the playoffs when we are .5 games back and with the hornets and pistons suffering major injuries is laughable.

we should be making trades that help us make the playoffs now while not taking on salary.

[Zachbretton]

I'm sorry I just can't understand what idiot says that we should just let us continue fall in the standings. There are few trades that really change our financial situation for next season, and even if that's the case as far as we all know we're not looking to keep adding salary even if we're under the tax. We know that 2016 is the plan to clean house and retrigger, so it's obvious that in the mean time we get ourselves a competitive team that continues to move us into the playoffs. That not only continues to rake in money for the franchise, it shows we can fight through our draft pick adversities and we look to actually capitalize on Hollins system.

Plus I, like many others, have no desire to watch us gift the hawks a lottery and then become the Complete laughing stock of the NBA for years to come. We give up now, we just show that were one big failure. We make trades to stay in the playoffs, we show this is a team that is willing to do whatever it takes to compete, that's a good thing for a free agent to see


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[MrDollarBills]

The problem is that ownership has checked out on the team. there is clearly NO desire to field a competitive team, otherwise the deals would have been made already

At this point, the Nets are on a clear path of sabotaging the next ownership group because by the time new ownership and a clear plan to build a competitive team is in place, what's left of the fanbase will be destroyed.

[Prokorov]

Another day is here and still nothing happening with trades.

Toronto is going to smash us again tonite.... basically as a fan we are reduced to hoping the pistons and hornets also lose.

I just dont see why Lopez is still on this team. i dont see why joe hasnt been moved if that was out there.

infuriating.

[Keith Van Horn]

You're right, another day of nothing by our GM. How is he still employed? What is going on with the ownership?

Why is Lopez still on this team? 11 out of last 13 are losses, and we stand pat.

So sad.

[CalamityX12]

That's fine. Flip it. You get Jones, they get Lamb.

The rest of it look good? I honestly think this a no brainer for all three teams.

The Nets fans want Lamb, Perkins AND Jones. It's a good deal from that standpoint.

no way, if jackson is involved and lopez is the main piece OKC is getting then jackson needs to come to brooklyn. the first rounder for us is pretty irrelevant and doesnt help us win now.

id rather cut out denver all together or deal lopez to miami instead. perkins is of no use if we cant flip him for a PF and lamb and jones are good but not enough to get us in the playoffs.

We are not making the playoffs either way. We are better off collecting prospects and getting under the tax to improve the team this summer. Trying to make the playoffs to marginally hurt the Hawks draft pick is pretty embarrassing at this point. We just need to lay in the bed we've made for ourselves as a franchise and deal with it.

The humiliation of gifting the Hawks a lottery pick could also cause King's firing if the media shames the Nets enough.

That's one thing King got going for him. In the NY media, Brooklyn is still not talked about nor given high expectations or publicity....

if this **** had the same attention of Dolan, he would've been chewed up and out... but since no one really looks at us in that deep, franchise manner(only scoreboard n $), he'll never get that added pressure from the media. We fans aren't enough.

[CalamityX12]

NYK has more wins than the Nets in 2015....

[MrDollarBills]

The Nets fans want Lamb, Perkins AND Jones. It's a good deal from that standpoint.


We are not making the playoffs either way. We are better off collecting prospects and getting under the tax to improve the team this summer. Trying to make the playoffs to marginally hurt the Hawks draft pick is pretty embarrassing at this point. We just need to lay in the bed we've made for ourselves as a franchise and deal with it.

The humiliation of gifting the Hawks a lottery pick could also cause King's firing if the media shames the Nets enough.

That's one thing King got going for him. In the NY media, Brooklyn is still not talked about nor given high expectations or publicity....

if this **** had the same attention of Dolan, he would've been chewed up and out... but since no one really looks at us in that deep, franchise manner(only scoreboard n $), he'll never get that added pressure from the media. We fans aren't enough.

And this is because the Nets have yet to field an exciting product. The complete let down of what was supposed to be a team that could contend last year, coupled with this mess is all but killing interest in the team. the Nets field a boring, stale product and most people who attend games are there to cheer on the other team.

[MrDollarBills]

You're right, another day of nothing by our GM. How is he still employed? What is going on with the ownership?

Why is Lopez still on this team? 11 out of last 13 are losses, and we stand pat.

So sad.

Ownership has checked out.

[Paradise]

I'm sorry I just can't understand what idiot says that we should just let us continue fall in the standings. There are few trades that really change our financial situation for next season, and even if that's the case as far as we all know we're not looking to keep adding salary even if we're under the tax. We know that 2016 is the plan to clean house and retrigger, so it's obvious that in the mean time we get ourselves a competitive team that continues to move us into the playoffs. That not only continues to rake in money for the franchise, it shows we can fight through our draft pick adversities and we look to actually capitalize on Hollins system.

Plus I, like many others, have no desire to watch us gift the hawks a lottery and then become the Complete laughing stock of the NBA for years to come. We give up now, we just show that were one big failure. We make trades to stay in the playoffs, we show this is a team that is willing to do whatever it takes to compete, that's a good thing for a free agent to see


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Please tell me who is going to help this team win now? We are in the process of finding trades for Johnson and Lopez.

We are already were a laughing stock since the day King was hired. We were a laughing stock starting 11-20 under Kidd and we are a bigger one with leaving to the Bucks that have a winning record while a respectable coach runs into the same mess Kidd was in at this point in the season a year ago.

Worrying about a damn lotto pick is ridiculous at this point. What difference does making the playoffs make? We will get swept by Atlanta while gifting them a mid first round pick.

I care about the future and all trades should be giving us assets and prospects. We have no pick next season. We should be looking at different ways to compensate. Not win now.

I would have no problem with this team gunning for the playoffs if they were competitive and showed resolve. They aren't even close to that.

[Prokorov]

Please tell me who is going to help this team win now? We are in the process of finding trades for Johnson and Lopez.

First, when I say win now, let me be specific and say I mean "grabbing the 8 seed". And certainly any of Lance Stephenson, Thad Young, Marvin Williams, Reggie Jackson, Gerald Henderson, Luol Deng, Chris anderson, and others not in recent rumors on say Denver's roster could help us obtain that goal.

We are .5 games out of the 8th seed to a team that just lost one of its best players to injury and whom we'd be potentially trading with and taking some of their key players. We aren't a good team, but neither are the teams we are competing with for that 8th spot. Miami also just lost wade for an extended period of time. The playoffs are there if we can make some changes.

We are already were a laughing stock since the day King was hired. We were a laughing stock starting 11-20 under Kidd and we are a bigger one with leaving to the Bucks that have a winning record while a respectable coach runs into the same mess Kidd was in at this point in the season a year ago.

Worrying about a damn lotto pick is ridiculous at this point. What difference does making the playoffs make? We will get swept by Atlanta while gifting them a mid first round pick.

The playoffs mean a lot. It would be more experience for plumlee and the first trips for Bogdanovic and Karasev. Additionally it keeps a streak of playoff seasons together, and from a PR standpoint helps compared to being a bigger laughing stock. Not giving the hawks a lottery pick isnt major, but it isnt irrelevant either.

I care about the future and all trades should be giving us assets and prospects. We have no pick next season. We should be looking at different ways to compensate. Not win now.

The picks we would get would be non lottery. the prospects we would be low level or not worth it as we'd need to give them bigger paydays that run into our 16-17 cap space. we should look to add those minor future assets in addition to the pieces that help us now, but it should not be in place of them.

If we had guys that could get us lottery picks, or legit rookies who could be future all-stars, sure, im all for that.

But honestly, im not sure how the Jeremy Lambs of the world or the Nick Stauskus of the world help us. those guys are maybe solid role players or starters but you end up investing like 4-8 million a year on those guys in 16-17 when they need new deals which just chews into our cap space.

for me i dont see how lamb is better then lance for us. or how he is better then thad young for us.

Also, as a fan im someone who hates this "you either win it all or you suck" mentality these days where its win a title or tank. for me there is alot of value and enjoyment as a fan making the playoffs. i know alot of people here are newer fans that became fans because of the kidd era, but being an older fan ive seen some droughts of really bad teams.... i appreaciate any time we can be in the postseason a lot. to me that means a TON. certainly more then getting some minor future assets

[Keith Van Horn]

You're right, another day of nothing by our GM. How is he still employed? What is going on with the ownership?

Why is Lopez still on this team? 11 out of last 13 are losses, and we stand pat.

So sad.

Ownership has checked out.

You're absolutely right


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[Paradise]

First, when I say win now, let me be specific and say I mean "grabbing the 8 seed". And certainly any of Lance Stephenson, Thad Young, Marvin Williams, Reggie Jackson, Gerald Henderson, Luol Deng, Chris anderson, and others not in recent rumors on say Denver's roster could help us obtain that goal.

Loul Deng, Reggie Jackson and Chris Anderson were never made available in any trade talks with us.

We are .5 games out of the 8th seed to a team that just lost one of its best players to injury and whom we'd be potentially trading with and taking some of their key players. We aren't a good team, but neither are the teams we are competing with for that 8th spot. Miami also just lost wade for an extended period of time. The playoffs are there if we can make some changes.

On paper, we are still in it obviously but have you seen our schedule? Boston is right behind us. Detroit is still right behind us and who's to say those other teams won't make a win now trade that will significantly move them ahead before we do?

The playoffs mean a lot. It would be more experience for plumlee and the first trips for Bogdanovic and Karasev. Additionally it keeps a streak of playoff seasons together, and from a PR standpoint helps compared to being a bigger laughing stock. Not giving the hawks a lottery pick isnt major, but it isnt irrelevant either.

I can understand the argument from a developmental standpoint but we are going to be an easy target in the playoffs. This isn't a team capable of forcing a seven game series. There is a huge difference.

The picks we would get would be non lottery. the prospects we would be low level or not worth it as we'd need to give them bigger paydays that run into our 16-17 cap space. we should look to add those minor future assets in addition to the pieces that help us now, but it should not be in place of them.

Lamb, Jones are not low level prospects and both have qualifying offers in 2016. You can either keep them or decline them at that point. Lopez should be able to fetch us some future assets and contracts while Johnson could help bring us guys who could help us compete for this season and next season. That's the way I see it.

But honestly, im not sure how the Jeremy Lambs of the world or the Nick Stauskus of the world help us. those guys are maybe solid role players or starters but you end up investing like 4-8 million a year on those guys in 16-17 when they need new deals which just chews into our cap space.

The biggest problem this team has is lack of solid to quality role players around Joe. That's the biggest issue. Turning down Lamb who is 22 years old and has shown the ability to be a scorer off the bench on a rookie contract is a bit ludicrous. Yet, Reggie Jackson will be a free agent THIS summer and he is expected to be in the market for 30 million dollar contract. That's okay?

Also, as a fan im someone who hates this "you either win it all or you suck" mentality these days where its win a title or tank. for me there is alot of value and enjoyment as a fan making the playoffs. i know alot of people here are newer fans that became fans because of the kidd era, but being an older fan ive seen some droughts of really bad teams.... i appreaciate any time we can be in the postseason a lot. to me that means a TON. certainly more then getting some minor future assets

[/quote]
Being in the postseason parading around with a team that has NO shot to win a single damn game is nothing to be proud of. Come on now. We've only won THREE GAMES against playoff teams all season long. What kind of achievement is making the postseason? It doesn't change anything. We aren't going to be matched up with some overrated Raptors team. All the mojo of sneaking in and making noise is over. Alot would have to go wrong for Atlanta for us to even give them a fight with this current roster.

You can certainly say IF we make a deal, perhaps making it in as the 8th seed and competing in a seven game series could happen but guess what? We are staring at a potential 18-30 record this week and not a single trade has been made. We have a GM who doesn't seem to care that his 'ideas' have blown up in his face and doesn't even have the balls to make an open statement to apologize to fans that are subjected to this crap.

[Zachbretton]

Please tell me who is going to help this team win now? We are in the process of finding trades for Johnson and Lopez.

First, when I say win now, let me be specific and say I mean "grabbing the 8 seed". And certainly any of Lance Stephenson, Thad Young, Marvin Williams, Reggie Jackson, Gerald Henderson, Luol Deng, Chris anderson, and others not in recent rumors on say Denver's roster could help us obtain that goal.

We are .5 games out of the 8th seed to a team that just lost one of its best players to injury and whom we'd be potentially trading with and taking some of their key players. We aren't a good team, but neither are the teams we are competing with for that 8th spot. Miami also just lost wade for an extended period of time. The playoffs are there if we can make some changes.

We are already were a laughing stock since the day King was hired. We were a laughing stock starting 11-20 under Kidd and we are a bigger one with leaving to the Bucks that have a winning record while a respectable coach runs into the same mess Kidd was in at this point in the season a year ago.

Worrying about a damn lotto pick is ridiculous at this point. What difference does making the playoffs make? We will get swept by Atlanta while gifting them a mid first round pick.

The playoffs mean a lot. It would be more experience for plumlee and the first trips for Bogdanovic and Karasev. Additionally it keeps a streak of playoff seasons together, and from a PR standpoint helps compared to being a bigger laughing stock. Not giving the hawks a lottery pick isnt major, but it isnt irrelevant either.

I care about the future and all trades should be giving us assets and prospects. We have no pick next season. We should be looking at different ways to compensate. Not win now.

The picks we would get would be non lottery. the prospects we would be low level or not worth it as we'd need to give them bigger paydays that run into our 16-17 cap space. we should look to add those minor future assets in addition to the pieces that help us now, but it should not be in place of them.

If we had guys that could get us lottery picks, or legit rookies who could be future all-stars, sure, im all for that.

But honestly, im not sure how the Jeremy Lambs of the world or the Nick Stauskus of the world help us. those guys are maybe solid role players or starters but you end up investing like 4-8 million a year on those guys in 16-17 when they need new deals which just chews into our cap space.

for me i dont see how lamb is better then lance for us. or how he is better then thad young for us.

Also, as a fan im someone who hates this "you either win it all or you suck" mentality these days where its win a title or tank. for me there is alot of value and enjoyment as a fan making the playoffs. i know alot of people here are newer fans that became fans because of the kidd era, but being an older fan ive seen some droughts of really bad teams.... i appreaciate any time we can be in the postseason a lot. to me that means a TON. certainly more then getting some minor future assets

couldn't have said it better myself. Our team has one option and one option only, make the playoffs. Give Hollins time to shine, get him players that work... **** INVEST in a coach for once.