OG Anunoby Traded to Knicks

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Question:

So since we didn’t sign OG to an extension last night, he’s an UFA this summer???

He has a player option for next year

So we could work it like Hart, where he opts in and then we massively overpay him to reward him taking a paycut for one year.

[Im Coming Home]

Very excited to see what OG can do here. I do feel like we will miss IQ off the bench tremendously though. RJ for OG is a positive for the starting lineup though for sure.

Hopefully he signs an extension(still haven't found when the deadline is or if its still possible) or re-signs this summer, but if he doesn't we got out of RJs contract and having to pay IQ more money than Brunson and Randle so, thats a W.

[robillionaire]

Question:

So since we didn’t sign OG to an extension last night, he’s an UFA this summer???

He has a player option for next year

So we could work it like Hart, where he opts in and then we massively overpay him to reward him taking a paycut for one year.

Never considered this, could be interesting aspect to a star trade if one were to occur

[robillionaire]

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Randles next to be gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After yesterday my attachment to anything on this Roster not named Brunson is gone

Some of us have long said not to get attached to players or picks.

Good advice! Get attached to New York on the front of the jersey but that’s even a bit unhealthy

[2010]

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I'm not a big Booker guy, and I doubt the Suns blow it up this year, but if we're keeping Randle, he'd be the best target at SG

Not as bad on defense as D Mitch, much better shooter than Dejounte, and has been the 1st option on a team that went to the Finals before. Just a better version of LaVine

Embiid is probably the best player of all the "realistic" options, but if we're going after him or KAT, I don't think Randle fits next to them. In that scenario, you look to trade Randle for another wing, and shift OG down to PF. We probably don't have the assets for this, but if Grimes gets back to form, a lineup of Brunson/Grimes/Mikal/OG/Embiid is like, perfect for modern basketball. Only one bad defender in the group, two all-defensive team wings, shooting from every position, a legit scoring PG, and an MVP level C.

If Booker is moved it’ll be for another star, not a rebuilding situation where they’re looking for an expiring and picks.

With the way Philly is playing I can’t see any way Embiid asks out.

Our most realistic targets are Mikal (who I’m not sure Brooklyn would trade to us), Mitchell and Murray.

Out of the 3, ideally Mikal would be who I’d like to get the most.

[nedleeds]

You all hate me, but this is what I'm talking about. OG would start for Boston. RJ, IQ wouldn't. IQ would play. RJ would be Romeo Langford, put on a Greyhound and sent to hell after they realized he was trash.

We 0% chance to make a conference finals before this trade. Now we have a 5% chance. If all these picks and Fournier's corpse or Randle's fake ass become a 1.5 ish player maybe we make a conference finals -- and then ... if Thibs has a stroke and is replaced with a functional coach we could make a finals.

[robillionaire]

You all hate me, but this is what I'm talking about. OG would start for Boston. RJ, IQ wouldn't. IQ would play. RJ would be Romeo Langford, put on a Greyhound and sent to hell after they realized he was trash.

We 0% chance to make a conference finals before this trade. Now we have a 5% chance. If all these picks and Fournier's corpse or Randle's fake ass become a 1.5 ish player maybe we make a conference finals -- and then ... if Thibs has a stroke and is replaced with a functional coach we could make a finals.

[cgmw]

They're perfectly justified in doing that, because their poor draft choices have always come back to bite them in their butts. So year, that bothers them. LOL.

I’ll solve another great mystery for you — when’s the last time you’ve ever been good at something you hate doing? The Knicks are bad at the draft because they don’t want to be in it.

At no point in Dolan’s tenure has he ever sent his guys into the draft excited about the player they’d get. The marching orders are to find him established stars NOW, not in 4-6 years when players develop into stars. The problem is further compounded by end-of-year winning prompted by the corporate “win now” mandate that over a generation lowered our odds of winning a top 3 pick. It’s been the same cycle of dysfunction for literally 30+ years now.

This

Yeah but credit where it’s due — the current core of outside vet acquisitions is pretty damn good, and then there’s enough young players + draft capital remaining to give idiot fans like us hope of landing an actual bonafide number one who could lead us to a ‘chip.

Personally, I’m aware that it’s all just a hopeless shell game. But I’m addicted to my Knicks so here I am. OKC will certainly win a championship before we do, and I’d much rather be rooting for SGA and Chet, but that was never ever ever ever going to be the direction at MSG just I was never ever ever going to live in Oklahoma City.

[ScienceOfLosing]

Fournier for Murray happens next. Book it.

I hope so as I don’t know how Brunson, D. mitchell and Randal will stop anyone.
M. Robinson and OG will be dead by years end. Just in tome for playoffs!

[nedleeds]

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I'm not a big Booker guy, and I doubt the Suns blow it up this year, but if we're keeping Randle, he'd be the best target at SG

Not as bad on defense as D Mitch, much better shooter than Dejounte, and has been the 1st option on a team that went to the Finals before. Just a better version of LaVine

Embiid is probably the best player of all the "realistic" options, but if we're going after him or KAT, I don't think Randle fits next to them. In that scenario, you look to trade Randle for another wing, and shift OG down to PF. We probably don't have the assets for this, but if Grimes gets back to form, a lineup of Brunson/Grimes/Mikal/OG/Embiid is like, perfect for modern basketball. Only one bad defender in the group, two all-defensive team wings, shooting from every position, a legit scoring PG, and an MVP level C.

If Booker is moved it’ll be for another star, not a rebuilding situation where they’re looking for an expiring and picks.

With the way Philly is playing I can’t see any way Embiid asks out.

Our most realistic targets are Mikal (who I’m not sure Brooklyn would trade to us), Mitchell and Murray.

Out of the 3, ideally Mikal would be who I’d like to get the most.

Suns, Nets, Lakers, and GSW won't be sellers. Clippers would if they weren't playing so well.

The other sellers mostly have mediocre players on awful deals: Hawks, Bulls, Spurs, Blazers, Raptors, Wizards. Maybe the Pels or Grizzlies, Pels because they're doing OK and Zion isn't really playing that well. Grizz because everyone is hurt, and they are already 10-21 and have their own pick. JJJ is playing like warm ass, but it would probably take matching and 3 firsts to get him.

Trade deadline is February 8th I think. Suns would have to absolutely crater. Or KD would need to blow his knee out. Booker could then call his agent Leon Rose and ask out. I'd be in favor of that, he's a top 10 player in the league and probably the 2nd or 3rd best SG. 3 Knicks 1sts, Dallas 1st, the fake 1sts, Fournier's cold clammy French body and Grimes.

[cgmw]

both for an expiring... this sucks.

Don't suck for the Rose family fortune!!!!!

That MAX SHEEEEEEEETTT coming and Sammy going to add another Lambo to the garage, while we lose in the 2nd round to the Celtics!

I’m not even kidding when I say the Knicks best hope for winning a ‘chip in our lifetimes is the career of Sammy Rose taking off.

[nedleeds]

Fournier for Murray happens next. Book it.

I hope so as I don’t know how Brunson, D. mitchell and Randal will stop anyone.
M. Robinson and OG will be dead by years end. Just in tome for playoffs!

Murray is so awful. Why pay Hart then? Murray will never dribble the ball with Brunson out there and he can't shoot.

[KnixinSix]

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Randles next to be gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After yesterday my attachment to anything on this Roster not named Brunson is gone

Some of us have long said not to get attached to players or picks.

Randle moving AWAY from CAA is probably not pure coincidence......

[nedleeds]

both for an expiring... this sucks.

Don't suck for the Rose family fortune!!!!!

That MAX SHEEEEEEEETTT coming and Sammy going to add another Lambo to the garage, while we lose in the 2nd round to the Celtics!

I’m not even kidding when I say the Knicks best hope for winning a ‘chip in our lifetimes is the career of Sammy Rose taking off.

Booker, Zion, Paul George, Chris Paul, JJJ, Kuzma, KAT, MeAngelo Chucker, Wiggins all CAA ...

Kuzma, maybe JJJ if Grizz lean in to this tank are gettable, maybe Zion also but man. This board couldn't handle Zion in NY.

[KnixinSix]

Fournier for Murray happens next. Book it.

I hope so as I don’t know how Brunson, D. mitchell and Randal will stop anyone.
M. Robinson and OG will be dead by years end. Just in tome for playoffs!

Murray is so awful. Why pay Hart then? Murray will never dribble the ball with Brunson out there and he can't shoot.

This is not true at all.

First off he probably plays around 1/3 of the game at PG without Brunson even on the floor for defensive purposes. 2ndly when they are on the floor together, Brunson with a ball dominant Luka played off ball VERY well. He won't be off ball the entire time but some of it . Trae may be the better pure scorer but his game is not as dynamic as Brunson's is.

It can work especially for what Thibs is looking to do defensively as well.

Lastly Murray can be flipped in the offseason if it doesn't work out as well as we expected.

[nedleeds]

After yesterday my attachment to anything on this Roster not named Brunson is gone

Some of us have long said not to get attached to players or picks.

Randle moving AWAY from CAA is probably not pure coincidence......

It's completely insane that the NBA allows the most valuable franchise to be run by CAA, with a CAA stock holder in the front office. You all just keep humming along, but it's utter madness.

[ScienceOfLosing]

Fournier for Murray happens next. Book it.

I hope so as I don’t know how Brunson, D. mitchell and Randal will stop anyone.
M. Robinson and OG will be dead by years end. Just in tome for playoffs!

Murray is so awful. Why pay Hart then? Murray will never dribble the ball with Brunson out there and he can't shoot.

Awful at what? In San Antonio, when running the show he averaged 21pts and 9 assists while playing great defense.
If Murry comes here he will be the primary ball handler. We saw Brunson can play great off the ball.
At worst they can split time. And we could use Murray in a trade down the road if need be.

That said, wish we had saw IQ starting next to Brunson.

[nedleeds]

I hope so as I don’t know how Brunson, D. mitchell and Randal will stop anyone.
M. Robinson and OG will be dead by years end. Just in tome for playoffs!

Murray is so awful. Why pay Hart then? Murray will never dribble the ball with Brunson out there and he can't shoot.

This is not true at all.

First off he probably plays around 1/3 of the game at PG without Brunson even on the floor for defensive purposes. 2ndly when they are on the floor together, Brunson with a ball dominant Luka played off ball VERY well. He won't be off ball the entire time but some of it . Trae may be the better pure scorer but his game is not as dynamic as Brunson's is.

It can work especially for what Thibs is looking to do defensively as well.

Lastly Murray can be flipped in the offseason if it doesn't work out as well as we expected.

I don't agree with you. The delta between Hart and Murray isn't worth trading for him. He's not good, he's been bad in Atlanta with a ball dominant short PG in Trae. Why move that north for asssets? Throw in that his contract is **** putrid. He's owed $100 million for a 4th best player on a finals team?

He's -21 and -30 vs. league average shooting and he'll mostly be a shooting guard here. No thanks.

If they are trading multiple firsts it better be for somebody better than Brunson otherwise the Celtics, Bucks, 76ers and Heat are still better.

[nedleeds]

I hope so as I don’t know how Brunson, D. mitchell and Randal will stop anyone.
M. Robinson and OG will be dead by years end. Just in tome for playoffs!

Murray is so awful. Why pay Hart then? Murray will never dribble the ball with Brunson out there and he can't shoot.

he averaged 21pts
Awful at what?

Shooting the **** ball. RJ averaged 20 ... are we really doing this again? Do you people learn?

[Chanel Bomber]

I get the rationale behind Cohen's argument for Murray, but I view it with some trepidation and ultimately I think I'm against it. I love Cohen's work btw, does a sensational job for KFS.

I don't think Murray's the kind of player with a stable trade value. He's a one-time All-Star voted in as a last-minute replacement by Adam Silver (completely bypassing the voting process) who has no track record of winning as a rotation player in the NBA. His value rests largely on his talent as a defender, but every metric shows he has stopped playing defense in Atlanta, although the environment may be playing a factor.

His 120 million contract extension kicks in next season. The 4th year is a player option. Atlanta have become worse since acquiring him, and I see no reason to assume the same wouldn't happen to New York. So I could see his contract becoming untradable or requiring extra draft capital to be shed, thus hurting our ability to actually trade for a star.

My other worry is that he's a ball-dominant player with a big - if not volatile - personality. Him and Randle might be a match made in hell. If the Knicks get worse and the situation festers with players competing for the ball, it might sink the Knicks to a point whereby the superstar trade isn't as appealing because the foundation is rotten with internal strife. This is not to demonize Murray but I think this mix of personalities is a risk, beyond my skepticism about the basketball fit.

I don't know if this is realistic but I think a better approach would be to trade Fournier's expiring for a similar contract that expires in 2025 (etc.), and aim to restore Grimes's value to hopefully fetch a protected future first for him. So for the star trade you then have salary filler in the form of an expiring contract, and you have more draft capital to throw in a trade for a star. Not saying it's better than Cohen's idea, or realistic to begin with, but it would seem less risky to me.