Kristaps Porzingis E:60 Episode Discussion Thread (Sunday @ 9AM EST)

[JBreezeNY]

Still team "**** Phil."

of course, but why one over the other? Like there's a lot of reason for people to want to fire Phil, but can't you also believe that KP also made a stupid mistake by skipping the exit meeting?

Probably but **** Phil

[Phish Tank]

Still team "**** Phil."

of course, but why one over the other? Like there's a lot of reason for people to want to fire Phil, but can't you also believe that KP also made a stupid mistake by skipping the exit meeting?

Yep, he made a mistake doing it (even if I think it was the right move sticking up for what he believes in)...but, the way I see it at least, it would never have happened if Phil didn't create turmoil this season. (If you don't mind, I don't want to get into this because I've said numerous times why I believe this.) He should have responded to Horny though, who I feel is simply an innocent bystander from this whole mess (even if I wish we never signed him to begin with).

fair enough

[god shammgod]

in 2017, a 7 footer who can shoot > a 7 footer with post skills. everybody aware what year it is knows this.

[3toheadmelo]

**** Phil
KP is sacrificing himself to get phil fired. I support him

KP should be offering phil bj's, not to ship him out of new york.

This is new york.

KP dont wanna attempt to stay here, despite us being ran by jim dolan, then he can get the phuck out.

One way ticket to Detroit, the worst city to live in.

If Phil wants to act unprofessional, it is expected for the players to act the same way towards him. I wouldn't be surprised if KP wants out. Who wants to play for phil?

Salute, KP

[prolific96]

yeah man Phil came in here and reversed 15 years of excellent work by this organization. What is he thinking keeping all our picks and drafting exciting young players like KP, Frank and Willy. I miss the days where we were trading unprotected 1st for Tmac and Bargs and our GM was going to court for a sexual harassment case. That's nothing compared to sending stupid tweets. Can't wait to fire him and get back to the good old days.

That does not erase the embarrassment he's caused with his unnecessary drama. If he did his job quietly and acted like a professional, nobody would be killing him right now, even with his losing record.

I agree theres no debate on that. But media and fans alike are acting he's set back the franchise years and has been the worst president we have ever had when that's further from the truth. Do I wish we had someone like Buford, Presti or even Sean Marks honestly... yeah. But we're the Knicks and the idea we will get someone completely component to run the Knicks after Phil is gone is naive as hell. We should all appreciate the fact that he's looked out for the future of the Knicks, making it a top priority to protect our future assetts. Especially considering his role with the franchise will likely end in a couple years. Yes it seems obvious, but like we've done the complete opposite for over a decade before he came here.

I swear, some always seeing the grass as greener on the other side. If you were to analyze any GM the way we do around here, you can almost always find poor trades/signings/drafts etc... Everyone wants an executive from Popovichs family tree. Its the same with Belicheck... Its like people expect there genius dust will be transfer to there disciples... When do we see a disciple out perform his mentor?

Sam Presti

Reputation largely due to his team sucking and having top draft choices From 2007-2010 they had 4 lotto picks.(Durant 2nd pick, Westbrook 4th pick, Harden 3rd, Cole Aldrich 10th).

Traded Harden for Kevin Martin/Lamb/1st rd
Traded draft rights to Eric Bledsoe for Cole Aldrich
Traded Rashard Lewis for 2nd round pick while in his prime.
Traded Ray Allen for Delonte West/Jeff Green
Traded Jeff Green for Nate Robinson

R.C. Buford

Buford was largely assistant gm/president for most of the Spurs run. Its hard to say who is more responsible... Pop or Buford. When Buford took over as GM in 2002, the team already had Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, Stephen Jackson and Bruce Bowen.

RC did draft Kawhi. In his defense every year they draft towards the bottom.
What the spurs don't usually do is make poor signings or trades. Except:

traded Goran Dragic for a 2nd rounder.
Buford also was arrested for DWI in 2011 with San Antonio media calling for his job. But not many were aware because there's so little media in San Antonio.

With that said, I'd take him over Phil but we all know there is no chance he's coming.

Sean Marks

Way to early to tell. The Nets had the worst record in the league. Not saying its his fault but Im not sure how to you can accurately evaluate the guy.

[ctorres]

Judging from the lack of commentary on the E:60 on this thread, it must have been pretty uneventful documentary.

[F N 11]

Yo wtf do these e60 win awards? Tf I cried during kp's and during the wrestler with no hands and feet joint. Lol

[F N 11]

Judging from the lack of commentary on the E:60 on this thread, it must have been pretty uneventful documentary.

I learned a lot about KP! It was not uneventful.

-Had a brother that died at 14 months. Causing major focus to shift to him.

-Lived in Spain for 3 years by himself without his family.

-laughed at the boo'in on draft night.

-the booin knick fan Jordan has about 7 of his jerseys lol.

-at the end they mentioned Knicks going more euro drafting Frank.

[Amsterdam]

Modeled game after Melo. Clear as day he love Melo.

Yes.
And why Phil publicly said he doesn't want a 7'3" big camping outside taking jumpers, we say that here too.

he's not shaq or hakeem and he's never gonna be. he might get better inside but it will never be his bread and butter. he's a shooter. that's what he does. that's why they talked about him being the next dirk. if phil doesn't like that, he should have never taken him.

True he's not there yet. But when a killed 7'3" can't consistently make a 4 ft jumper with a 6'3" on him, that's a habit you want addressed early.

[mpharris36]

Judging from the lack of commentary on the E:60 on this thread, it must have been pretty uneventful documentary.

uneventful in terms of the Phil/KP drama.

But KP grew up idolizing Melo, so kinda explains why he almost is blindly supporting Melo.

[Amsterdam]

Judging from the lack of commentary on the E:60 on this thread, it must have been pretty uneventful documentary.

uneventful in terms of the Phil/KP drama.

But KP grew up idolizing Melo, so kinda explains why he almost is blindly supporting Melo.

Should Melo then have helped advise him and for his own good say "listen kid, do the right team thing, clean your nose clean and don't get involved in this"?

[newyorker4ever]

Man, it's pretty crazy how your whole image can change with one missed meeting.

D Rose literally bailed on the team, didn't contact anyone until almost the next day and he didn't get half as much **** as KP has.

I'm sick of what KP did being compared to what Rose did. D.Rose was wrong in what he did but i don't compare it to what KP did cause KP hasn't earned the right to pull some shyt like what he did and he won't let it go cause he's refusing still to this day to take calls from the people he works for which is ridiculous. He needs to grow up and act like an adult and a professional. All this crap was started by KP and is still going on because of KP and i think his brothers are actually acting as a bad influence on their younger brother when they should be doing the opposite.

Just to be clear, i also don't think what Rose did was right obviously but there was supposedly more behind his decision (family) and what he did then just being mad and sticking up for your teammate like what was the supposed reason behind what KP did in sticking up for Melo.

[Pr0nzingis]

Being a huge KP fan, I have to admit that I'm extremely disappointed in the way he has handled his frustration within the organization to which he is employed. I truly believe that Melo's defiance towards Phil's direction for the team has played a major role in KPs attitude. KP has always looked up to Melo, not realizing that Melo is and has always been about playing for his own glory. He's simply not a team first player. His brother Janis is also most likely in his ear too much. Kind of like one of those dance moms who lives vicariously through their kid, because they didn't have the talent to fulfill their dreams.

If he has an issue with Phil/The Knicks, then he should discuss it behind closed doors with them. Don't blow off the customary exit meeting like an entitled brat. Not returning your employers calls the entire offseason is beyond disrespectful. I can't recall ever hearing of a professional athlete doing anything like that. Shows a major lack of maturity for someone who I initially thought handled himself with class.

KP needs to sit down with management, iron out their differences, and work towards a positive future. Just become a better player, do what your employer asks of you, and in a few years he'll have the opportunity to change teams if he likes.

And just for the record, I don't think the Phil is innocent in this mess. Stay off twitter and stop leaking nonsense articles through your buddy to play mind games with everyone. If you demand maturity then practice what you preach!

Correct, the notion that 21 years old, second year player is frustrated with a 31 win season is pure gold comedy to me. Only in the absurd surreal beta world that we live in this could be a reality.

Ask KP how Towns, Russell, Okafor, Mario's teams did. Much worse than the Knicks!

Top picks play on bad teams. Unless you're Lebron or Carmelo, such is life in professional sports.

Melo got no working ethic to rub off on KP so he rubs off his cancer quality. Plain and simple.

[Garbagelo]

Idolizing Melo growing up is red flag to me.

[HarthorneWingo]

in 2017, a 7 footer who can shoot > a 7 footer with post skills. everybody aware what year it is knows this.

Since when did they become mutually exclusive?

[ny-n-md]

I hope they work it out and I don't necessarily blame Melo for KP's stance. Anybody in this mess can see with their own eyes and form their own opinion and take their own actions in response to it. The kid is 21 just growing into manhood. This may be the first controversy and conflict he has had to face. That's not always easy for a young man still finding his way on how to handle life.

I just can't understand how Phil is considering getting rid of a kid with this much talent and potential. He should be protecting his asset and keeping stuff in house. I put the drama on both of them but mostly Phil.

Look at what this kid is doing in just his 2nd year at age 21:

Watch on YouTube

You keep him at all costs!

[ctorres]

Idolizing Melo growing up is red flag to me.

Melo grew up idolizing Bernard King.

Other than two seasons that Bernard King took the Knicks to the semifinals, he didn't have much success in the postseason, let alone getting there.

No one here would think that idolizing Bernard King is a red flag.

[3toheadmelo]

this has turned into a melo bashing fest... just like every other thread

adios

[ny-n-md]

this has turned into a melo bashing fest... just like every other thread

adios

I agree and it has gotten so old for me. This board can be so toxic at times. I blame Phil.

That's the other theme that keeps hijacking threads. I wish we could stay on topic and stop trying to pit sides.

[newyorker4ever]

KP caused more drama than Phil.

KP didn't create this toxic culture and is the biggest reason free agents won't come here. That's Phil.

Free agents weren't giving the Knicks the time of day way before Phil even got here. He obviously hasn't made it better but it wasn't close to being good before him. As soon as we start winning games and we show we have some good young talent and the drama stays away for a season is when free agents will again start looking at coming to the Knicks.

My biggest worry is exactly what S.Bondy said in an article he put out which is what kind of team will we have when Phil leaves? The worry is if we only have players that are looked at as only being good for the triangle type system then what's gonna happen in two years when Phil leaves and whoever takes over wants to go to being the run and gun/pick and roll offense that most of the other teams are running? What i would push for is getting David Blatt to come coach the team Phil leaves us with who's the guy i wanted over Hornachek and all the other guys that were being mentioned for the job before JH got it. Blatt has won championships over in europe with the types of players that Phil is putting on the Knicks so i can't think of many other coaches being a better fit over D.Blatt.