Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[JXL]

For the people that don’t want Sexton but rather overpay Lonzo

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what if you want neither, also want to trade randle & rj and want to stomp on your bag of oreos with my foot over and over ? where's that group ?

Which type of Oreos?

Spoiler:

[thebuzzardman]

I can wait until the Knicks land that star drafting in the 20's or with a bundle of picks in the 20's...

People act like the Knicks have OKC's stash of picks or Ainge's back in the day.

They have their own picks. 19 this year. Probably in the upper/mid 20's for the next 4 years. They've got that sexy Dallas #23 this year.
And probably around #23 in '23. Or worse. And that kick ass #32.
And 4021 #2 picks courtesy of Brock Aller.

Those are what will land a "star"?
Yeah, right.

Oh, and the Knicks cap space will be gone in a year.
Or, they move on from Randle

Is this just boiling down into the tank argument again?

[louisorr]

another thing to keep in mind. If your willing to part with this package , obi, Knox and 19 then why not open up your horizons. I mean any player is ostensibly available, right. just because cle made it apparent doesn't make this the only deal in the league. can that package get you Kevin huerter? can it get you Herro? can you get coby white for half that?

[Juco24]

What real star is even in the market? We really only have until July 25th to make a trade anyways. As soon as we use these picks on a player they lose a lot of value. Teams prefer the mystery box of the draft pick. If we get lucky and the player we draft ends up as good as IQ it could help us but that’s usually a rare find in the back half of the draft. So unless a star asks out between the end of the season and before the draft I don’t think it’s wasting an asset.

There'll be guys available by trade deadline. Always is

And they’ll be asking for IQ and our picks from 2022 and 2023. we need to hope that we hit on our two remaining picks to sweeten the pot cuz unless the team is rebuilding they may not want just some random kids.

You're probably right but I'd much rather be patient... I just don't see Sexton playing well with Randle. Lavine or SGA or someone else may ask for a trade. If we deplete our assets here - we're likely to regret it imo

[spree2kawhi]

Sexton is a 6'1" shooting guard who doesn't shoot great. He doesn't move the ball (just ask KLove). He's not a good defender. He's a good scorer that I honestly can't see fitting in well with Randle and Barrett. Some of the same people on here wanting him complained about Randle having sticky fingers. Sexton has that reputation

We need a lead guard that has the skill to create offense. We never needed or wanted Randle to do so.

100% agree but the question here is: "Can Sexton be that lead guard?" Based on his performances ytd - the answer "No". He needs/wants the ball in his hands and definitely is not a ball mover

He can create shots...

[thebuzzardman]

Y’all deserve Elfrid Payton for 5 more years lol

Damn. I was going to post this but figured I should read the entire unread stuff first.

I agree. About half the guys posting in this topic deserve "MAX ELF"

[Juco24]

Lol @ the pizza, but just imagine us having maxed out both Sexton and Randle.... good Lord

realistically, it's unlikely that any of those guys will be a top 10 player. will one even be a top 15 player ? maybe rj or sex will get there, i don't see it, but maybe. and that's a best case scenario. will that ever be good enough ? no. so you need a trade for a real star still and you'd have to give up the rest of your assets to do that. is a team built around top 10 player, randle & sexton good enough ? maybe if there's another pandemic. otherwise, nope.

Not you, and I'm not totally sold on Sexton either, but what are people hoping will happen here?

In no particular order, here are the players who aren't "good enough" for them:

Sexton
Ball
DeRozan
Fournier
And a bunch of others

While I see "Lowry or Conley for 2 years would be great!" and
"Well, we are going to get LaVine"
"OKC will trade us OKC for a bag of chips"

I mean, it's this constant "player X isn't good enough" or some unrealistic trade for a guy the Knicks don't have a shot at, or a very long shot at.

And Lowry and Conley will get 2 years, and then the Knicks are maxing out Randle & RJ and Mitch might get paid and there won't be any money anyway.

So, what is the get people are looking for?

That Graham might be cheaper?
2 years of Dunn?
Draft 3 guys from 19-32?

I'd take a bet that Hyland would be as good for the Knicks as Sexton

[DowNY]

Unlike the Lin situation, next year we can tell Sexton to wait on signing any offer sheet to sign a big name like Beal or LaVine into our cap space first

[Gravy]

We have a chance to get a potential young star for basically free, its a no brainer. The 19th pick is not turning to KD and we are not drafting the next Lebron if we wait long enough, let those fantasies go. This is the wilderness of seeing how far the team goes, nobody knows!

[thebuzzardman]

Quickley had a comparable rookie season to Sexton.

Except for the whole "rarely makes a layup part"

[spree2kawhi]

Do y'all realize Darius Garland had a better sophomore season than RJ Barrett?

show your work, dont just be lazy and spout off stuff

Actually it's very much debatable, but that doesn't stop others so ...

[Capn'O]

To clarify, lavine was the core piece traded for Jimmy butler.

i had no idea what you were saying

Yah, had to get out the door...

[DaGawd]

There'll be guys available by trade deadline. Always is

And they’ll be asking for IQ and our picks from 2022 and 2023. we need to hope that we hit on our two remaining picks to sweeten the pot cuz unless the team is rebuilding they may not want just some random kids.

You're probably right but I'd much rather be patient... I just don't see Sexton playing well with Randle. Lavine or SGA or someone else may ask for a trade. If we deplete our assets here - we're likely to regret it imo

I think that’s the problem with some of y’all.. our assets aren’t great to begin with. If we can get Sexton with the proposed package we offered up.. we robbed em.. look at the consensus opinions on the deal on general board and even social media.. we have crap in the way of prospects and picks.. so getting an “actual star” as some of you call it with what we have is a long shot any way

[Capn'O]

I can wait until the Knicks land that star drafting in the 20's or with a bundle of picks in the 20's...

People act like the Knicks have OKC's stash of picks or Ainge's back in the day.

They have their own picks. 19 this year. Probably in the upper/mid 20's for the next 4 years. They've got that sexy Dallas #23 this year.
And probably around #23 in '23. Or worse. And that kick ass #32.
And 4021 #2 picks courtesy of Brock Aller.

Those are what will land a "star"?
Yeah, right.

Oh, and the Knicks cap space will be gone in a year.
Or, they move on from Randle

Is this just boiling down into the tank argument again?

Correct. We absolutely don't have a star package. We're missing potential core young pieces or primo picks.

[god shammgod]

For the people that don’t want Sexton but rather overpay Lonzo

Read on Twitter

what if you want neither, also want to trade randle & rj and want to stomp on your bag of oreos with my foot over and over ? where's that group ?

Which type of Oreos?

Spoiler:

all of them

[Capn'O]

Quickley had a comparable rookie season to Sexton.

Except for the whole "rarely makes a layup part"

Ironically, Quick is more like Garland than Sexton.

[Juco24]

We need a lead guard that has the skill to create offense. We never needed or wanted Randle to do so.

100% agree but the question here is: "Can Sexton be that lead guard?" Based on his performances ytd - the answer "No". He needs/wants the ball in his hands and definitely is not a ball mover

He can create shots...

DEFINITELY! And he does that by having the ball in his hands while not utilizing ball movement. But has he shown the ability to make those around him better? His own teammates have complained about him. He's NOT a point guard but @ 6"1, he's going to need a big guard who can defend,, alongside him or Thibs better find a way to mask his defensive deficiencies

[thebuzzardman]

another thing to keep in mind. If your willing to part with this package , obi, Knox and 19 then why not open up your horizons. I mean any player is ostensibly available, right. just because cle made it apparent doesn't make this the only deal in the league. can that package get you Kevin huerter? can it get you Herro? can you get coby white for half that?

I'll admit to liking the idea of getting Herro while Miami gets Sexton, even though that doesn't solve PG for us.

No idea what Cavs get. Picks and Obi and something from Miami, I guess.

[thebuzzardman]

realistically, it's unlikely that any of those guys will be a top 10 player. will one even be a top 15 player ? maybe rj or sex will get there, i don't see it, but maybe. and that's a best case scenario. will that ever be good enough ? no. so you need a trade for a real star still and you'd have to give up the rest of your assets to do that. is a team built around top 10 player, randle & sexton good enough ? maybe if there's another pandemic. otherwise, nope.

Not you, and I'm not totally sold on Sexton either, but what are people hoping will happen here?

In no particular order, here are the players who aren't "good enough" for them:

Sexton
Ball
DeRozan
Fournier
And a bunch of others

While I see "Lowry or Conley for 2 years would be great!" and
"Well, we are going to get LaVine"
"OKC will trade us OKC for a bag of chips"

I mean, it's this constant "player X isn't good enough" or some unrealistic trade for a guy the Knicks don't have a shot at, or a very long shot at.

And Lowry and Conley will get 2 years, and then the Knicks are maxing out Randle & RJ and Mitch might get paid and there won't be any money anyway.

So, what is the get people are looking for?

That Graham might be cheaper?
2 years of Dunn?
Draft 3 guys from 19-32?

I'd take a bet that Hyland would be as good for the Knicks as Sexton

What if he's Anorexic Tim Hardaway Jr instead? Jerian Grant in need of a hamburger?

[Juco24]

And they’ll be asking for IQ and our picks from 2022 and 2023. we need to hope that we hit on our two remaining picks to sweeten the pot cuz unless the team is rebuilding they may not want just some random kids.

You're probably right but I'd much rather be patient... I just don't see Sexton playing well with Randle. Lavine or SGA or someone else may ask for a trade. If we deplete our assets here - we're likely to regret it imo

I think that’s the problem with some of y’all.. our assets aren’t great to begin with. If we can get Sexton with the proposed package we offered up.. we robbed em.. look at the consensus opinions on the deal on general board and even social media.. we have crap in the way of prospects and picks.. so getting an “actual star” as some of you call it with what we have is a long shot any way

Agreed but does trading for Sexton make you a better TEAM? Or are you tossing away what 'little' assets you do have for a guy who doesn't move the needle imo. Someone like Hyland has as much potential to making the TEAM better as Sexton. Now does Sexton's stats look good? Damn straight! But is he a team player? Again, based on his past and what his teammates have indicated.... Nope!