[Camelo Thread 14] - Minny, Denver and NY working!! p28

[Context]

Hey Klem, There are fans on the Minny board that want to Dump Flynn. We could take him back and send Azub contract(just an example). I think there's a lot of possibilities with Minny without including Mozz, Fields, or Gallo. I think it can be worked out between the two of us...

Yeah, but that's fans, many of whom were never invested in Flynn. Unfortunately, Walsh has to deal with Kahn, who has a lot of his credibility locked up into Flynn. Heck, he told MIN fans that he thought Flynn would be an All Star some day! It's much easier for Kahn to say, "you just wait!" then admit a mistake with the #6 pick in Flynn's sophomore season.

Kahn will listen to offers, since Flynn may be traded if Rubio is coming over. But I expect without a good offer, he waits until summer, to make sure he has Rubio signed to a contract, before discaring Flynn. Moreover, Flynn's trade value can only go up from this point.

Good points...

Regarding Harrington I just believe we won't have to -and it's not only about paying him, it's his comments that rubbed me the wrong way. Chemistry is an important factor and I think we take a huge risk with Harrington in the chemistry department...

[seren]

This should be the trade:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=64zo5ye

DEN: Chandler, Walker, UTA or MEM first via MIN, NY 2014 first(maybe)
NY: Anthony, Telfair
MIN: Curry, AR, 3 mil via NY

- DEN gets under the luxury tax, gets Chadler, Walker + 2 first rounder
- MIN trading cap space+first rounder for AR and 3 mil for taking Curry
- NY getting Anthony+Telfair(who can play and also saving MIN what is left of his salary - 0,9 mil).

I approve this trade. Wake up Donnie.

[DonJuanCapistro]

i posted a nice trade in the trade thread, basically brewer goes to boston, boston sends their 2011 1st to us, we send our 2011 to denver. daniels goes to minnesota, walker goes to denver, wafer comes to us.

basically denver adds a second 1st rounder.

heres the framework of the deal:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4ea49fg

NY Trades:
Anthony Randolph
Wilson Chandler
Eddy Curry
Kelenna Azubuike
Bill Walker
2011 1st round pick
2011 2nd round pick
2011 2nd round pick via gsw
3 million cash

NY Receives:
Carmelo Anthony
Al Harrington
Von Wafer
2011 1st round pick (boston)

Felton/Douglas
Fields/Wafer
Melo/Gallo
STAT/Harrington
Mozgov/Turiaf

Knicks get their man, they take back harrington, further lifting contractual burdens on Denver. They get bostons 2011 1st round pick which allows them to trade their own better pick to denver which I think they'd like more than Brewer for 2 months.

Denver Trades:
Carmelo Anthony
Al Harrington

Denver Receives:
Marquis Daniels
WIlson Chandler
Bill Walker
Kelenna Azubuike (80% contract paid by insurance, expiring)
2011 1st round pick ny
2011 1st round pick utah via min

Billups/Lawson
Smith/Daniels
CHandler/Walker
Nene/Williams
Andersen/Ely

Denver saves even more money by getting the insured contract of azubuike and ridding themselves of harringtons awful deal. They also get 2 first round picks which should be between 14-20 with both Utahs and NY's picks.

Minnesotta trades:
Corey Brewer
2011 1st round pick utah

Minnesotta Receives:
Eddy Curry (50% paid off)
Anthony Randolph
Marquis Daniels
2011 2nd round pick gsw via nyk
3 million cash (covers cost of curry)

Ridnour/Flynn
Johnson/Daniels
Beasley/Webster
Love/Randolph
Milicic/Pekovic

Minnesotta gets an additional 2nd round pick in this deal. also, I've heard their fans grumble that they dont like losing brewer, who starts, yet they are not going to retain. by getting daniels they get a replacement for brewer.

Boston Trades:
Marquis Daniels
Von Wafer
2011 1st round pick

Boston Receives:
Corey Brewer
2011 2nd round pick ny

Rondo/Robinson
Allen/Bradley/West
Pierce/Brewer
Garnett/Davis
Perkins/Shaq/Erden/Oneal

Boston receives a great role player in brewer who is a solid defender which should allow him to have a smooth transition into doc's system. They give up their 1st round pick to get him, but they get ny's 2nd round pick, so the drop should only amount to about 15 slots in the draft.




The Deal can also be reconstructed to send Avery Bradley and Luke Harongody to minnesota if minnesota would value them more than the expiring deal of Daniels

[shrink]

Wiretap saying Wolves don't wanna trade Brewer. Am I missing something? Haven't really seen Brewer that much of late but has his game improved that much? I see him as a guy who could be a good role player on a good team down the line but the Wolves are not at that stage so why would he be holding up a deal?

OK - last post from me. I just want to give you guys a clearer view of the Wolves position.

If you had asked me a month ago whether Kahn would care about including Corey Brewer, I'd have said, "Nah." After all, he was a McHale pick (only Love remains), Kahn tried to trade him in the draft, and he completely negated him this summer, spending all their draft resources on guys that could take his minutes (Wes Johnson, Martell Webster, Hayward and then Beasley). He came off the bench, lost his confidence, and clearly looked like he wasn't part of the future. MIN didn't pick up his team option on his rookie deal.

However, lately, Corey Brewer has turned it around some. He's starting, and has been one of the few bright spots lately, and his athleticism makes him a bit of a fan favorite. At 6' 9" with the speed to defend the 2, he's been a big help to a team that is horrible defensively. He is near the top of the league in steals. There are rumors now that MIN may try to change course this summer, keep Brewer (they still have his rights), and move Martell Webster .. depending on the draft,

Anyway, fans that are frustrated with Kahn may be even more upset if he just throws Brewer away for nothing. Many think he could help a contender off the bench. This is a bit of a recent event, so I'm not surprised that it hasn't reached NY.

[NYK0605]

Enough already with these made up trades in here. You guys are NOT NBA GMs.

Never understood why people waste their time mapping out trades. Because im sure Walsh is sitting in his office reading this thread looking who has the best trade offers to present to Denver/Minny.

[klemen4]

MIN could absorb a contract and get paid in cash or late picks, and they've done this two of the last four years.

And moreover, other teams could be looking simply to move a guy that's worth more than his contract, or clear cap space for this summer (since MIN can take back a 2-year deal and still have time to pay Love and Beasley in 2012). Cap space has value.

Taking back expiring, maybe one year deal+prospect imo is good use of cap space. But I tell you those 7 teams over the tax does not have a prospect and I do not think getting late 1. rounder for taking a "bad" 1 or 2 year contract is wise.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

This should be the trade:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=64zo5ye

DEN: Chandler, Walker, UTA or MEM first via MIN, NY 2014 first(maybe)
NY: Anthony, Telfair
MIN: Curry, AR, 3 mil via NY

- DEN gets under the luxury tax, gets Chadler, Walker + 2 first rounder
- MIN trading cap space+first rounder for AR and 3 mil for taking Curry
- NY getting Anthony+Telfair(who can play and also saving MIN what is left of his salary - 0,9 mil).

A NY 1st, maybe?

Gotta at least try, if you want Melo this year. Walker is nothing special. Denver doesn't want Chandler and his contract demands. That leaves what could be a crappy 1st and one late in the future. Denver could get better trading Melo as a rental.

[Context]

This should be the trade:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=64zo5ye

DEN: Chandler, Walker, UTA or MEM first via MIN, NY 2014 first(maybe)
NY: Anthony, Telfair
MIN: Curry, AR, 3 mil via NY

- DEN gets under the luxury tax, gets Chadler, Walker + 2 first rounder
- MIN trading cap space+first rounder for AR and 3 mil for taking Curry
- NY getting Anthony+Telfair(who can play and also saving MIN what is left of his salary - 0,9 mil).

A NY 1st, maybe?

Gotta at least try, if you want Melo this year. Walker is nothing special. Denver doesn't want Chandler and his contract demands. That leaves what could be a crappy 1st and one late in the future. Denver could get better trading Melo as a rental.

You missed the 23 million in savings that you can only receive if a deal is done WITHIN 17 days. Again, at this point this is not about talent for talent. This about you making a trade with in 17 days or you get a TPE in the summer. No team is going to trade for a player that has made it clear since last summer that he is only signing an extension with ONE TEAM! It doesn't matter what the team's name is

[god shammgod]

look, no matter what deal we give them, nuggets fans are going to hate it and rightfully so. there's no point in trying to satisfy them. it's not possible to do so.

[Pedro Pistolas]

harrington is fine off the bench. look at the depth chart. he's not getting a lot of minutes.

D'antoni would play him at center. You're fooling yourself if you think he's going to get limited mins...

[Nutty Nats Fan]

You missed the 23 million in savings that you can only receive if a deal is done WITHIN 17 days. Again, at this point this is not about talent for talent. This about you making a trade with in 17 days or you get a TPE in the summer. No team is going to trade for a player that has made it clear since last summer that he is only signing an extension with ONE TEAM! It doesn't matter what the team's name is

You seem to have forgotten, if Denver gives Melo away to NY, Denver will loss a lot of money in ticket revenue, etc. Pissing off your entire fan base, is not good for business. This will not save them 23 million. and even if it did, Stan and his wife are worth a combined 7 billion, so why ruin his franchise for what is chump change to him? Although your numbers are wrong too, The Rebel had a good post showing this.

And I gotta LOL at this continued belief that Melo will sign with NY like Lebron was going to. He wants his money. If he ends up on teams like LAL, Orlando, he resigns happily.

[K_ick_God]

You missed the 23 million in savings that you can only receive if a deal is done WITHIN 17 days. Again, at this point this is not about talent for talent. This about you making a trade with in 17 days or you get a TPE in the summer. No team is going to trade for a player that has made it clear since last summer that he is only signing an extension with ONE TEAM! It doesn't matter what the team's name is

You seem to have forgotten, if Denver gives Melo away to NY, Denver will loss a lot of money in ticket revenue, etc. Pissing off your entire fan base, is not good for business. This will not save them 23 million. and even if it did, Stan and his wife are worth a combined 7 billion, so why ruin his franchise for what is chump change to him? Although your numbers are wrong too, The Rebel had a good post showing this.

And I gotta LOL at this continued belief that Melo will sign with NY like Lebron was going to. He wants his money. If he ends up on teams like LAL, Orlando, he resigns happily.

We can beat an offer from Orlando in our sleep and Lakers too most likely, though your team will NEVER trade Melo to the Lakers. The Nuggets backs are against the wall here. Your last best hope may be a Nyets revival, which I still give some chance of happening, but it doesn't appear likely.

[cgf]

@cgf: I certainly see that point, but I'm not talking about force feeding him minutes. Most of us agree that there is a role here for him to be played. After all he is rebounding and contesting shots everytime he gets on the court. His struggles come on the offensive side, looking to do too much. I just don't see how the guy isn't manageable to a point where he helps the team (that could use his strengths) and his value.
But we've been over this in a couple of threads (at this point, what new thing can be said anyway).

It's just sad to see how he fell from the hyped kid of last summer to somehow Minnesota squirming to take him on for Brewer and a home for Eddy's corpse.

But there wasn't a role for him with the way he was playing unless we weren't going to be contending this year, which would've meant lesser development of our other really young talent. And while he may contest shots he still got abused a lot in the paint and even when he got better he still wasn't very good there. The kid need to get to a point where he stopped trying to be LeBron and just focused on helping with what he could, that's a mental step that a guy who's gotten by his whole life on being super physically talented and nice has to take before he can become a good player. AR has finally shown that step which to me is much more important than seeing him racking up rebounds on a worse team. Plus it helps his trade value, he's shown the flashes before, now he's shown he's learning how to actually play basketball. Given time the kid could still make good on all of that potential that people got over-excited by this past summer.

[Rucari23]

Is it possible to do this trade without re-signing melo? Just wait till the new cba is announced and promise melo a contract in the offseason?

[Nightstick56NYK]

Just a heads up Chris Broussard's gonna be on Tierney and Mac's show at 230 in case anyone is interested.

[Context]

You seem to have forgotten, if Denver gives Melo away to NY, Denver will loss a lot of money in ticket revenue, etc.

10 home games plus 4 home play-off games do not equal even 15 million.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

You missed the 23 million in savings that you can only receive if a deal is done WITHIN 17 days. Again, at this point this is not about talent for talent. This about you making a trade with in 17 days or you get a TPE in the summer. No team is going to trade for a player that has made it clear since last summer that he is only signing an extension with ONE TEAM! It doesn't matter what the team's name is

You seem to have forgotten, if Denver gives Melo away to NY, Denver will loss a lot of money in ticket revenue, etc. Pissing off your entire fan base, is not good for business. This will not save them 23 million. and even if it did, Stan and his wife are worth a combined 7 billion, so why ruin his franchise for what is chump change to him? Although your numbers are wrong too, The Rebel had a good post showing this.

And I gotta LOL at this continued belief that Melo will sign with NY like Lebron was going to. He wants his money. If he ends up on teams like LAL, Orlando, he resigns happily.

We can beat an offer from Orlando in our sleep and Lakers too most likely, though your team will NEVER trade Melo to the Lakers. The Nuggets backs are against the wall here. Your last best hope may be a Nyets revival, which I still give some chance of happening, but it doesn't appear likely.

Depends on if Denver's FO feels Bynum can remain injury free in the future. If he can, you make that deal. Kobe and Pau are aging, Denver could move ahead of them in the next few years (with a healthy Bynum).

And my last best hope? I don't really care anymore, I'm ready for this to be done with. But I can't imagine Denver giving Melo as a gift to NY for crap. Your FO screwed up when it gave away all its assets to get Lebron.. and instead overpays Amare. If NY won't make an offer worth it, Denver will either trade him somewhere else for scraps or just keep him and let Melo take the PR hit.

[cleanuphtr24]

You missed the 23 million in savings that you can only receive if a deal is done WITHIN 17 days. Again, at this point this is not about talent for talent. This about you making a trade with in 17 days or you get a TPE in the summer. No team is going to trade for a player that has made it clear since last summer that he is only signing an extension with ONE TEAM! It doesn't matter what the team's name is

You seem to have forgotten, if Denver gives Melo away to NY, Denver will loss a lot of money in ticket revenue, etc. Pissing off your entire fan base, is not good for business. This will not save them 23 million. and even if it did, Stan and his wife are worth a combined 7 billion, so why ruin his franchise for what is chump change to him? Although your numbers are wrong too, The Rebel had a good post showing this.

And I gotta LOL at this continued belief that Melo will sign with NY like Lebron was going to. He wants his money. If he ends up on teams like LAL, Orlando, he resigns happily.

I gotta LOL at this trade you suggested on the Nuggets board.... http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4scbqsr

[Starksfor3]

This whole "Denver is going to lose money in attendance when Melo leaves" thing is pretty obvious. How is that going to be avoided?

Answer:

It's not.

It's inevitable. He's leaving. Either now or in the summer.

The only argument (for keeping him) that can be made is that Denver can sell a few more tickets in the playoffs and sucker a few more Nugget fans into buying Melo jerseys (chumps).

[K_ick_God]

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Depends on if Denver's FO feels Bynum can remain injury free in the future. If he can, you make that deal. Kobe and Pau are aging, Denver could move ahead of them in the next few years (with a healthy Bynum).

And my last best hope? I don't really care anymore, I'm ready for this to be done with. But I can't imagine Denver giving Melo as a gift to NY for crap. Your FO screwed up when it gave away all its assets to get Lebron.. and instead overpays Amare. If NY won't make an offer worth it, Denver will either trade him somewhere else for scraps or just keep him and let Melo take the PR hit.

You sound like someone who is lashing out because you're about to lose your best player for pennies on the dollar.