official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[dakomish23]

At this point there is no trade for Melo he will get bought out or be on the Knicks and I think that is all. Who caves first will be the question. Why on earth would anyone give up value when Phil has said all the things he has said about Melo in public and everyone can see it is headed for a buy out. This is the same as a bad trade for Phil. He didn't maximize the value of Melo. If you hate him or not he has more value than a buyout canidate but now that is what we will have to settle for. Another horrible job by PHIL

I believe it's spelled PHAIL.

He's mismanaged the entire thing and the only reason folks are ok with it is because of some irrational need to have a scapegoat or they just are that desperate to see Melo go. Maybe it's both.

At least a buyout would prevent him from taking on a bad contract in a trade like he did with Failderon and would prevent him from using the money on a completely washed player like Noah.

[BeagleBoss]

Melo is nowhere near as bad as Marbury. I think the entire locker room likes and respects him. Unlike Marbury.

[MP4LIFE]

He's not going to play here because the organization is going in a different direction. Melo wants to be waived so he can get all his money and go wherever. The team will make it uncomfortable for him if he doesn't accept a buyout.

I think he legit loves NY and playing in NY. It seems winning to him is secondary and he wants to finish things out here. I really don't know, but I just don't think it's going to get as dramatic as some think.

I think he's doing exactly what Isola is saying. Melo feels humiliated by Phil and wants to get back at him by not agreeing to a trade and forcing the Knicks to cut him if Phil want him off the team. This is going to be a game of chicken to see who blinks first.

Phil f'ed this situation up, if he kept it out the media, Melo may of agreed to a trade

I'm almost positive Phil told Melo he wants him out in private and then started making it public when it was obvious Melo wouldn't waive his no trade.

[Marty McFly]

I like how the cavs are supposed to be a strong option for him if he gets bought out. **** yourself with a fire hydrant, Dan.

[BeagleBoss]

No way I'd trade Melo to Washington and give Otto Porter a max deal. He's nowhere near All-Star level!

[3toheadmelo]

No way I'd trade Melo to Washington and give Otto Porter a max deal. He's nowhere near All-Star level!

better than nothing tbh
it's already bad enough phil killed the majority of his value....

i'll take porter instead of buying out melo and getting nothing

[adjacent2bench]

If he don't wanna waive then buy his ass out. **** it. Knicks fans have to be smart. Just look at Philly, LA and Boston, how they're always in the top 3 and just stacking. Knicks can't get on that level if they keep this guy. Will always remain somewhere below mediocre and end up taking another Frank instead of a Ball or Fultz.

[DOT]

No way I'd trade Melo to Washington and give Otto Porter a max deal. He's nowhere near All-Star level!

That's what it costs to retain young players who are any good these days, any RFA is gonna get offered a huge contract from the Nets, look at Tyler Johnson and Allen Crabbe, neither were worth the contracts, but Brooklyn was willing to overpay to get them, so their teams had to match

[BrOnXKing1]

No way I'd trade Melo to Washington and give Otto Porter a max deal. He's nowhere near All-Star level!

That's what it costs to retain young players who are any good these days, any RFA is gonna get offered a huge contract from the Nets, look at Tyler Johnson and Allen Crabbe, neither were worth the contracts, but Brooklyn was willing to overpay to get them, so their teams had to match

Porter also fits what Phil wants. Guys who are team players, move the ball, and play defense.

[Rotten Apple]

Melo isn't corrupting anyone.

Phil started the BS and of all the people in the basketball his teammates see this.

Melo holding the ball and not playing defense are the most overblown things we keep reading.

Phil doesn't even wanna trade Melo imo, he just wants him to completely play the way Phil wants to.

If Phil wanted him gone I think he'd have been gone by now.

[stuporman]

Melo is a great tank commander so 2 more years of him leading the Knicks to top 10 lottery picks is fine.

The only person who killed Melo's trade value is Melo himself with his stubborn refuse to change his game selfish aging ass, everyone knows he's all about his money and winning isn't a priority.

[BrOnXKing1]

We absolutely cant buyout Melo. Even though Phil has minimized his value, Melos true value is 2nd tier star who could still be a significant piece on a championship team.

I would let Melo play out the yr and hope he waives his no trade clause for a chance to win during the year. We won't be going anywhere with him anyway so the tank will still be intact.

[MP4LIFE]

We absolutely cant buyout Melo. Even though Phil has minimized his value, Melos true value is 2nd tier star who could still be a significant piece on a championship team.

I would let Melo play out the yr and hope he waives his no trade clause for a chance to win during the year. We won't be going anywhere with him anyway so the tank will still be intact.

Melo is not leaving. If he wanted to win he'd be on many other teams besides this one at this point.

[drekwins]

I just think too much has happened for Melo to ever come back for another season. It's just too much negativity. I don't think that he'll ever see the floor again in a Knick uniform, whether on the roster or not. The way I take it with the NY Times article is that close proximity is extremely important. So, it appears like the list may expand to the following:

1) NY Knicks
2) Cleveland
3) Celtics
4) Washington - Could really use him
5) Brooklyn
6) Philly
7) Washington - Could really use him
8) LAC
9) LAL
10) Charlotte and Toronto maybe? (speculation)

If that is what he is willing to expand his list to, then maybe we could get something of value.

[sushibear]

guess thats about does it. The melo era is coming to a close ladies and gents.

[drekwins]

We absolutely cant buyout Melo. Even though Phil has minimized his value, Melos true value is 2nd tier star who could still be a significant piece on a championship team.

I would let Melo play out the yr and hope he waives his no trade clause for a chance to win during the year. We won't be going anywhere with him anyway so the tank will still be intact.

While I don't disagree, that doesn't mean that we can't buy him out. If no one is willing to give anything of value, then that's not going to change. It'll only get worse and worse given his age. So, think about it, what are we accomplishing by keeping him? We'll just win more games and that's counterproductive to our interests. That will hurt us. All in all, if his value is 0 around the league, then we got to just eat it and let him go. There's really not much of a choice. For our situation, the value of dropping him (higher draft pick and less media drama) is greater than the value of keeping him (32 wins, playing minutes over young guys and taking their shots).

[Sark]

We absolutely cant buyout Melo. Even though Phil has minimized his value, Melos true value is 2nd tier star who could still be a significant piece on a championship team.

I would let Melo play out the yr and hope he waives his no trade clause for a chance to win during the year. We won't be going anywhere with him anyway so the tank will still be intact.

Phil really has nothing to do with his value.

Here I'll give you an example. Let's say I think Melania Trump is a $200 per hour escort. You happen to think she's worth a full $300 for the hour. Now if Donald didn't make her sign a prenup, then no matter how much we want to pay for her time, she still doesn't have to put herself back on the market, even if Donald says he doesn't want her around anymore.

Capiche?

[drekwins]

I keep reading that Melo doesn't have to go because Phil is the problem. Newsflash: One of them has to go ASAP and it's not going to be Phil. As much as we all question Phil and his strange ways (putting it nicely), he's the President of Basketball Operations. If the president of your company, from ANY other profession, comes out and says that you're better off somewhere else, you're done. There is no chance of reconcile or going back. You could blame Phil but Melo's not going to win this battle.

Phil has a direction that he wants to bring the team and he wants people to follow. He's going to get rid of anyone that stands in the way. Honestly, he probably has to in order to have any chance at success. He needs a bunch of open minded guys willing to buy in 100%. What many are getting caught up on is the fact that they just don't believe in Phil either. So, they're disregarding his system, power and essentially ignoring his initiatives. Phil is going to try to enact his objectives. Make no mistake, although we disagree with 99% of what he has done, he has the power and he's leading us the way HE envisions.

[drekwins]

can't waste the stretch on melo. u might need that for noah at some point. and stretching both kind of eliminates the benefits.

Don't like idea of stretching any contract right now because it's on the books longer than it needs to be. Melo has one year left and an option. Let him stay here on a reduced role (still a starter though). Cap-space is not needed because we are not in a good place/ attractive destination to outright sign any significant players.

I agree. If we have to let the contract sit, mine as well take the full burden while we're terrible and can't get FA's. Don't let it stretch into years where we have a chance to do something. We're probably going to have to do that with Noah when the time comes.

[FutureKnicksGM]

Melo is a great tank commander so 2 more years of him leading the Knicks to top 10 lottery picks is fine.

The only person who killed Melo's trade value is Melo himself with his stubborn refuse to change his game selfish aging ass, everyone knows he's all about his money and winning isn't a priority.

Lol what kind of trash is this. Change his game to what? How many games we win last year if Melo changed his game?