Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[AmazingJason]

No. There's no market for Derrick Rose. Just wait until the offseason

I could see Sacramento doing it.

Why? Just because.

[j4remi]

Of course you don't rule it out, but the team better look like a championship contender if you're gonna bring him back. Otherwise figure out how much it'd cost to convince Milos Teodosic to come over for a couple of years before he's too old for the nba. It'll probably be half the price or less.

[Adelheid]

Max amount is 75m/3yr if the Knicks go to the extension route.
If resigned through FA with bird rights...it will be much more and longer as well.

[AmazingJason]

Max amount is 75m/3yr if the Knicks go to the extension route.
If resigned through FA with bird rights...it will be much more and longer as well.

75M

More and longer?

Knickstape ended up being right about Rose. Not just right, but like really, really, really right. Goddamn YouTube videos f*cking tricked me; those misleading pieces of sh*t need to get taken off the site. He scored 30 points last night and helped to keep us in the game...but I was cringing the entire time he was doing it.

[N Y K]

just suck enough to get a promising PG this draft

[AmazingJason]

just suck enough to get a promising PG this draft

Keep playing Noah

Play Lance big minutes upon return

Team implodes

Riot in the locker room

Draft Fultz, Jackson or Smith


That's one way it can go down

[dakomish23]

They matched up but remember Chicago could only sign Wade because they traded Jose with 2 2nds to the Lakers. Noah was only signed because we didn't have a C in this situation we couldn't have signed Lee but Wade would've been open to come here. Remember there were reports that he was thinking of NY when signing.

That dream scenario is what I had in mind though. Maybe even starting Ennings. We wouldn't have Holiday and Lee but I remember when reports first started coming out about Wade not signing in Miami they said his top choices were NY, Denver, and Chicago. If we had RoLo already it could've been an easy signing.

that's a lot of monday morning quarterbacking.

so we were to just know that miami and d-wade wasn't going to work out...

then, sit on the same team during the offseason and hope wade wanted to sign, under that crazy circumstance deep into free agency that no one really knew was going to happen until it did?

and then... when wade signs with chicago anyway... we trot out the exact same team as before with no significant changes?

maybe a maxed-out unworthy SG?

1. Chicago couldn't sign Wade with Rose on the books. They had to trade Jose to fit him.

2. Yeah this is in hindsight. What's not hindsight? Noah and Rose were terrible acquisitions and we gave up a B+ deal to get 2 scrubs that made us worse and destroyed flexibility. Flexibility that could've had us in the running for Wade.

I don't think they're scrubs in any way, but I was preaching this team should just roll that **** over till 2017. Part of that plan could of been giving Wade a big 1 year deal with the 30 mil in space and maybe signing Jennings.

Jennings Wade Melo KP RoLo

Probably better than this team, though I'm not giving up on this squad and praying each piece figures out what we need from them to be successful.

What's done is done. Don't dig a deeper grave. That's all I can ask for at this point.

[seren]

There seems to be a lot of unnecessary reaction to this. Why should we rule out anything this early in the season?

[E-Balla]

just suck enough to get a promising PG this draft

Keep playing Noah

Play Lance big minutes upon return

Team implodes

Riot in the locker room

Draft Fultz, Jackson or Smith


That's one way it can go down

Jackson over Fox, Monk, and Ball? Nah.

[Jeff Van Gully]

that's a lot of monday morning quarterbacking.

so we were to just know that miami and d-wade wasn't going to work out...

then, sit on the same team during the offseason and hope wade wanted to sign, under that crazy circumstance deep into free agency that no one really knew was going to happen until it did?

and then... when wade signs with chicago anyway... we trot out the exact same team as before with no significant changes?

maybe a maxed-out unworthy SG?

1. Chicago couldn't sign Wade with Rose on the books. They had to trade Jose to fit him.

2. Yeah this is in hindsight. What's not hindsight? Noah and Rose were terrible acquisitions and we gave up a B+ deal to get 2 scrubs that made us worse and destroyed flexibility. Flexibility that could've had us in the running for Wade.

I don't think they're scrubs in any way, but I was preaching this team should just roll that **** over till 2017. Part of that plan could of been giving Wade a big 1 year deal with the 30 mil in space and maybe signing Jennings.

Jennings Wade Melo KP RoLo

Probably better than this team, though I'm not giving up on this squad and praying each piece figures out what we need from them to be successful.

What's done is done. Don't dig a deeper grave. That's all I can ask for at this point.

it's the assuredness that wade would have come to NY at all that is troubling. and again, that miami situation fell apart late. wade kind of fell into chicago's lap after it became clear there was trouble in wade county. that's when chicago dealt calderon to the lakers to open up some space. wade wasn't even a target until pat the rat surprisingly quibbled over the change and wade left on principle (rightly so).

if pat didn't front on the money, wade would have been as done a deal as we all expected him to be. a non-target and non-issue. that levee broke after we were already out of the game. now, had wade actually been realistically on the market, rose or no rose, the knicks could have made a pass before signing lee and noah. and i can imagine they would have. lee would not have been necessary and noah could have taken the pocket change or kicked rocks.

all that said, lee is actually going to play out his deal and it is a great one for the production he offers. i'm good with it. if there's anything to be concerned with, it's signing noah in the first place. but, i like noah and i'm not mad at his deal... yet.

[Wolfgang630]

Jesus...I don't even want them to contemplate on resigning this undersized 2 guard...he's not a **** PG. Let him walk.

[whocares1]

1. Chicago couldn't sign Wade with Rose on the books. They had to trade Jose to fit him.

2. Yeah this is in hindsight. What's not hindsight? Noah and Rose were terrible acquisitions and we gave up a B+ deal to get 2 scrubs that made us worse and destroyed flexibility. Flexibility that could've had us in the running for Wade.

I don't think they're scrubs in any way, but I was preaching this team should just roll that **** over till 2017. Part of that plan could of been giving Wade a big 1 year deal with the 30 mil in space and maybe signing Jennings.

Jennings Wade Melo KP RoLo

Probably better than this team, though I'm not giving up on this squad and praying each piece figures out what we need from them to be successful.

What's done is done. Don't dig a deeper grave. That's all I can ask for at this point.

it's the assuredness that wade would have come to NY at all that is troubling. and again, that miami situation fell apart late. wade kind of fell into chicago's lap after it became clear there was trouble in wade county. that's when chicago dealt calderon to the lakers to open up some space. wade wasn't even a target until pat the rat surprisingly quibbled over the change and wade left on principle (rightly so).

if pat didn't front on the money, wade would have been as done a deal as we all expected him to be. a non-target and non-issue. that levee broke after we were already out of the game. now, had wade actually been realistically on the market, rose or no rose, the knicks could have made a pass before signing lee and noah. and i can imagine they would have. lee would not have been necessary and noah could have taken the pocket change or kicked rocks.

all that said, lee is actually going to play out his deal and it is a great one for the production he offers. i'm good with it. if there's anything to be concerned with, it's signing noah in the first place. but, i like noah and i'm not mad at his deal... yet.

Dwyane Wade could have absolutely been had, but once Lopez was traded it was never going to happen. The plan initially was still to play the triangle, and the triangle excels with a post big that can pass the ball. Lopez' only issue was that he wasn't an adequate passer and missed Porzingis a lot of times that he was right next to him.

Lopez became expendable which made way to Rose which made way to Noah. I was one of the few that wanted Dwyane Wade even for the max if we needed to because Wade, a proven recruiter, would have been able to entice CP3 to join the team. Phil wanted to make the triangle work and thus we're stuck with Noah and Lance.

[dakomish23]

1. Chicago couldn't sign Wade with Rose on the books. They had to trade Jose to fit him.

2. Yeah this is in hindsight. What's not hindsight? Noah and Rose were terrible acquisitions and we gave up a B+ deal to get 2 scrubs that made us worse and destroyed flexibility. Flexibility that could've had us in the running for Wade.

I don't think they're scrubs in any way, but I was preaching this team should just roll that **** over till 2017. Part of that plan could of been giving Wade a big 1 year deal with the 30 mil in space and maybe signing Jennings.

Jennings Wade Melo KP RoLo

Probably better than this team, though I'm not giving up on this squad and praying each piece figures out what we need from them to be successful.

What's done is done. Don't dig a deeper grave. That's all I can ask for at this point.

it's the assuredness that wade would have come to NY at all that is troubling. and again, that miami situation fell apart late. wade kind of fell into chicago's lap after it became clear there was trouble in wade county. that's when chicago dealt calderon to the lakers to open up some space. wade wasn't even a target until pat the rat surprisingly quibbled over the change and wade left on principle (rightly so).

if pat didn't front on the money, wade would have been as done a deal as we all expected him to be. a non-target and non-issue. that levee broke after we were already out of the game. now, had wade actually been realistically on the market, rose or no rose, the knicks could have made a pass before signing lee and noah. and i can imagine they would have. lee would not have been necessary and noah could have taken the pocket change or kicked rocks.

all that said, lee is actually going to play out his deal and it is a great one for the production he offers. i'm good with it. if there's anything to be concerned with, it's signing noah in the first place. but, i like noah and i'm not mad at his deal... yet.

I was just following down the road of the possibility. I'm not assured of anything.

I got zero problems with Lee. He's been solid. But Wade is a guy who's game I could see fitting well with our big guns.

Doesn't matter now it's over. Let's see if this team can finally figure out how hard they have to play every night on both ends to earn W's. There's talent for sure.

[taikibansei]

It's still a bit early--and he's playing much better than expected (even trying on defense)--but I would lean toward NOT keeping him around. Or, if we did, I'd want it to be at a much lower annual salary. Rose can still put up big individual numbers on occasion, but he's no longer a game-changer on his own...and just doesn't have the consistency as a play-maker that we need going forward.

I've stolen the following sequence from a posting to the General Board. It pretty much sums up my current feelings on the Rose extension idea:

Porzingis: "Nice screen Noah, I'm completely open for a corner 3 one of the most efficient shots in basketball, I just need Derrick to pass me the ball."


Porzingis: "I see Derrick cannot see me, so I will extend my right arm."


Porzingis: "Perhaps I am not visible to Derrick yet, I will extend both arms now."


Porzingis: "Noah has locked down my man for a long time now, I better hold both arms straight up because I don't know how much longer Noah can hold my defender."


Lee: "Derrick, Russell has stopped guarding me and I can also shoot 3s. I'm right here."


Rose: "Turnaround hanging contested fadeaway jumper...exactly the play I wanted."

[WherezDa90sNIX]

Why the hell are we talking about extending anyone in November while we are currently under .500 again?

[Swarles Xavier]

It's still a bit early--and he's playing much better than expected (even trying on defense)--but I would lean toward NOT keeping him around. Or, if we did, I'd want it to be at a much lower annual salary. Rose can still put up big individual numbers on occasion, but he's no longer a game-changer on his own...and just doesn't have the consistency as a play-maker that we need going forward.

I've stolen the following sequence from a posting to the General Board. It pretty much sums up my current feelings on the Rose extension idea:

Porzingis: "Nice screen Noah, I'm completely open for a corner 3 one of the most efficient shots in basketball, I just need Derrick to pass me the ball."


Porzingis: "I see Derrick cannot see me, so I will extend my right arm."


Porzingis: "Perhaps I am not visible to Derrick yet, I will extend both arms now."


Porzingis: "Noah has locked down my man for a long time now, I better hold both arms straight up because I don't know how much longer Noah can hold my defender."


Lee: "Derrick, Russell has stopped guarding me and I can also shoot 3s. I'm right here."


Rose: "Turnaround hanging contested fadeaway jumper...exactly the play I wanted."

I don't know much but it looks like passing to Porzingis in that situation is what you would call a dangerous pass. There are 3 okc players between them. There's no double team so you can bet that the defenders are looking at the passing lanes. There are better examples of Rose's lack of court vision.

[taikibansei]

I don't know much but it looks like passing to Porzingis in that situation is what you would call a dangerous pass. There are 3 okc players between them. There's no double team so you can bet that the defenders are looking at the passing lanes. There are better examples of Rose's lack of court vision.

He has Lee open too, with an easier passing angle. That said...that third frame is a wide-open pass to KP, which Rose would have seen if he'd looked up. (Fourth frame too.)

I like these slides because they show a tendency I've seen in Rose. He decides way too early (for a point guard) whether to shoot or to pass. And when he decides he's going to shoot, that's it. The head goes down, the eyes glaze over--he'll keep feinting and dribbling until he gets that shot off. He rarely changes his mind.

As others have noted, he's really probably better now as a shooting guard/scorer than as a point guard. If we do keep him, it should be with this limitation in mind.

[Capn'O]

Of course you don't rule it out, but the team better look like a championship contender if you're gonna bring him back. Otherwise figure out how much it'd cost to convince Milos Teodosic to come over for a couple of years before he's too old for the nba. It'll probably be half the price or less.

Excuse me? Did somebody say Teodosic might come over?

[Swarles Xavier]

I don't know much but it looks like passing to Porzingis in that situation is what you would call a dangerous pass. There are 3 okc players between them. There's no double team so you can bet that the defenders are looking at the passing lanes. There are better examples of Rose's lack of court vision.

He has Lee open too, with an easier passing angle. That said...that third frame is a wide-open pass to KP, which he would have seen if he'd looked up.

I like these slides because they show a tendency I've seen in Rose. He decides way too early (for a point guard) whether to shoot or to pass. And when he decides he's going to shoot, that's it. The head goes down, the eyes glaze over--he'll keep feinting and dribbling until he gets that shot off. He rarely changes his mind.

As others have noted, he's really probably better now as a shooting guard/scorer than as a point guard.

Lee is not open, Westbrook was between them the whole time. If Westbrook committed on the double team Lee would have been open. Westbrook only looked away from Lee when Rose started the act of shooting. For Porzingis even on that third frame I don't see the passing angle. Is Rose supposed to throw a parabola pass over the head of the big men that would go back down to Porzings? The available pass would have been where the referee is, if Porzingis relocated maybe he could have gotten the ball. As I said there are better examples.

I agree on Rose making up his mind way too early but I disagree that he would be better as an sg. He is a horrible off-ball player. He can't shoot and he does not cut. Spacing will get worse as his man will leave him in the three point line. He set decent screens to free up the others, but that's such a waste. There's no other way to utilize his ability to penetrate than him having the ball most of the time. He's a pg for better or worse.

[Sark]

It's still a bit early--and he's playing much better than expected (even trying on defense)--but I would lean toward NOT keeping him around. Or, if we did, I'd want it to be at a much lower annual salary. Rose can still put up big individual numbers on occasion, but he's no longer a game-changer on his own...and just doesn't have the consistency as a play-maker that we need going forward.

I've stolen the following sequence from a posting to the General Board. It pretty much sums up my current feelings on the Rose extension idea:

Porzingis: "Nice screen Noah, I'm completely open for a corner 3 one of the most efficient shots in basketball, I just need Derrick to pass me the ball."


Porzingis: "I see Derrick cannot see me, so I will extend my right arm."


Porzingis: "Perhaps I am not visible to Derrick yet, I will extend both arms now."


Porzingis: "Noah has locked down my man for a long time now, I better hold both arms straight up because I don't know how much longer Noah can hold my defender."


Lee: "Derrick, Russell has stopped guarding me and I can also shoot 3s. I'm right here."


Rose: "Turnaround hanging contested fadeaway jumper...exactly the play I wanted."

I don't know much but it looks like passing to Porzingis in that situation is what you would call a dangerous pass. There are 3 okc players between them. There's no double team so you can bet that the defenders are looking at the passing lanes. There are better examples of Rose's lack of court vision.

By the third photo, there is an easy pass to make to the corner.

Passes to the corner for the 3 are pretty common in the NBA these days. It's not an impossible pass to make.