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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1221 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:14 pm

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Fake news! All journalists are liars! The fact that he reported that Thibs was gonna stay after the Boston series and he didn’t is more evidence of dolans meddling and rose didn’t want to fire him.


Seeing how he is basing his opinion on some other guys report.... where's the actual source? A Yahoo sports reporter? Really? That's the source he's using. He says it in the clip. He doesn't say he heard anything from a team source at all. Run with it. Have fun with it. Nothing is verifiable at all.

As likely as it may be that Dolan made the final decision, he has to eat 30 mil. It SHOULD be his decision. Acting like he went rogue and stepped on his GMs balls is purely speculation and until we here that from the team itself, it's nothing more than Knicks drama for clicks.


His literally not basing his reporting on Goodwill’s reporting. He never said that and you’re making that up. Katz just said goodwill story is accurate and it fits with everything that Begley has reported too. So are all 3 of them lying? Where’s your evidence that he didn’t talk with anyone on the team?


He is validating a report and using it to validate his own report that was obviously not as accurate as he wants it to be. Making it look like Rose wanted to keep Thibs but Dolan forced the move. That isn't source reporting. It's speculative and self serving. I don't have to retract my earlier report because blah blah blah.

Anyone think that maybe Dolan was asked to or asked to sit on exit interviews because he has 30 million reasons to be there? That Thibs job was on the line and Dolan wanted to know what the players felt? Like, instead of him being a meddling moron like he was in the past? Maybe he was doing his own research to make that decision. We heard rumblings about Thibs job for over a year now.

I find it hard to believe that reporters know any of this for fact. They hear something and attach their own opinion on it as opposed to what might have actually happened. Once it's reported it takes on a life of its own and people run with it.

It's entirely possible that Dolan said FU to Rose but, I kinda think we need to chill with the narrative as if it's a fact. EVERYONE gets mad that the Knicks/Rose don't talk to the media. Funny how they have accurate inside reporting on how this went down though.

Thinking it's not normal for an owner to sit in on exit interviews is one thing. When a HC is due 30 million and you're thinking about firing him, perhaps that's not a normal situation either. No one wants to take that logic into account? I don't know. Makes some sense to me.

I guess the difference in perspective aligns mostly with if one is ok with Thibs being fired or not. I don't know. It was a $30mil decision. It was made. Hopefully there's not a rift between Rose/Dolan/players. We'll know the truth eventually when people abandon ship. Maybe the decision will lead us to a title. Fun times. People were getting bored with no Knicks drama the last few years. Here we go again. :lol:
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Post#1222 » by Capn'O » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:51 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:Pretty much this. The majority of the roster and Front office wanted thibs gone. Leon was rightfully overruled.


I don't know about the majority but we do know there was a substantial rift in the FO over what to do about Thibs. I'd guess at least WWW and Rosas wanted him gone. With Rose having that personal connection it sounds like Dolan stepped in as the heavy. Also, the reporters are saying that Dolan sitting in isn't normal generally but ALSO that it isn't what he normally does. So the most obvious reason he'd all of a sudden do it now is to take ownership of a situation festering underneath him.

The "Dolan stepped in and overruled his entire staff" theory doesn't hold water because we know there are high ranking members who have wanted Thibs out for years. I do think he gets the blame for this if it goes wrong.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1223 » by Capn'O » Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:00 pm

The article was obviously sourced by Thibs btw.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1224 » by Guano » Sun Jun 29, 2025 11:50 pm

Im mildly curious to know what the dynamics are with this thibs firing but Im too skeptical that its a lot of bullcht to really invest time and energy into it. Though if Dolan is meddling im going to be really disappointed yet not shocked. He sucks and we cant have nice things.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1225 » by Barcs » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:51 pm

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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1226 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jul 3, 2025 5:59 am

Guano wrote:Im mildly curious to know what the dynamics are with this thibs firing but Im too skeptical that its a lot of bullcht to really invest time and energy into it. Though if Dolan is meddling im going to be really disappointed yet not shocked. He sucks and we cant have nice things.

In a recent KnicksFanTV podcast it is believed that the main reason why Thibs was fired was because of his "refusal to work more collaboratively with the front office." In other words, Thibs didn't respect Leon's input on coaching and player personnel decisions.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1227 » by Kampuchea » Thu Jul 3, 2025 8:31 am

Guano wrote:Im mildly curious to know what the dynamics are with this thibs firing but Im too skeptical that its a lot of bullcht to really invest time and energy into it. Though if Dolan is meddling im going to be really disappointed yet not shocked. He sucks and we cant have nice things.


The hope is Dolan only was involved with Thibs firing and not getting back into player moves. Rose has done a good job building the roster so hope he sees that and goes back to the sidelines.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1228 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:11 pm

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Guano wrote:Im mildly curious to know what the dynamics are with this thibs firing but Im too skeptical that its a lot of bullcht to really invest time and energy into it. Though if Dolan is meddling im going to be really disappointed yet not shocked. He sucks and we cant have nice things.

In a recent KnicksFanTV podcast it is believed that the main reason why Thibs was fired was because of his "refusal to work more collaboratively with the front office." In other words, Thibs didn't respect Leon's input on coaching and player personnel decisions.


It's no great mystery why Thibs was fired. Add up all the contracts that the Knicks paid for players to rot on the bench. Look at the injuries from overuse or being in the game when there was no reason for it. Look at the historically bad bench usage/production this year as we fall short in the playoffs running 7 man rotations. I'm sure Grimes and Obi are also a part of the equation. Thibs was a stubborn man and it stunted the growth of the team.

Now we have to hope Mike Brown can do a better job. I don't think he's going to be much different honestly. Hope he proves me wrong. It will be a sin to fall short when the team is so close and the championship is right there for the taking.

Last season was injuries and what if.
This season was poor coaching and what if.
Next season we need to get over the hump!! It's not gonna get easier as these young teams/stars come into their own.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1229 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jul 3, 2025 5:28 pm

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Guano wrote:Im mildly curious to know what the dynamics are with this thibs firing but Im too skeptical that its a lot of bullcht to really invest time and energy into it. Though if Dolan is meddling im going to be really disappointed yet not shocked. He sucks and we cant have nice things.

In a recent KnicksFanTV podcast it is believed that the main reason why Thibs was fired was because of his "refusal to work more collaboratively with the front office." In other words, Thibs didn't respect Leon's input on coaching and player personnel decisions.


It's no great mystery why Thibs was fired. Add up all the contracts that the Knicks paid for players to rot on the bench. Look at the injuries from overuse or being in the game when there was no reason for it. Look at the historically bad bench usage/production this year as we fall short in the playoffs running 7 man rotations. I'm sure Grimes and Obi are also a part of the equation. Thibs was a stubborn man and it stunted the growth of the team.

Now we have to hope Mike Brown can do a better job. I don't think he's going to be much different honestly. Hope he proves me wrong. It will be a sin to fall short when the team is so close and the championship is right there for the taking.

Last season was injuries and what if.
This season was poor coaching and what if.
Next season we need to get over the hump!! It's not gonna get easier as these young teams/stars come into their own.

We had no bench last season
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1230 » by BKlutch » Thu Jul 3, 2025 5:32 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:In a recent KnicksFanTV podcast it is believed that the main reason why Thibs was fired was because of his "refusal to work more collaboratively with the front office." In other words, Thibs didn't respect Leon's input on coaching and player personnel decisions.


It's no great mystery why Thibs was fired. Add up all the contracts that the Knicks paid for players to rot on the bench. Look at the injuries from overuse or being in the game when there was no reason for it. Look at the historically bad bench usage/production this year as we fall short in the playoffs running 7 man rotations. I'm sure Grimes and Obi are also a part of the equation. Thibs was a stubborn man and it stunted the growth of the team.

Now we have to hope Mike Brown can do a better job. I don't think he's going to be much different honestly. Hope he proves me wrong. It will be a sin to fall short when the team is so close and the championship is right there for the taking.

Last season was injuries and what if.
This season was poor coaching and what if.
Next season we need to get over the hump!! It's not gonna get easier as these young teams/stars come into their own.

We had no bench last season

We had the bench, just nobody we played ever sat on it. :P
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1231 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Jul 3, 2025 5:35 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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HarthorneWingo wrote:In a recent KnicksFanTV podcast it is believed that the main reason why Thibs was fired was because of his "refusal to work more collaboratively with the front office." In other words, Thibs didn't respect Leon's input on coaching and player personnel decisions.


It's no great mystery why Thibs was fired. Add up all the contracts that the Knicks paid for players to rot on the bench. Look at the injuries from overuse or being in the game when there was no reason for it. Look at the historically bad bench usage/production this year as we fall short in the playoffs running 7 man rotations. I'm sure Grimes and Obi are also a part of the equation. Thibs was a stubborn man and it stunted the growth of the team.

Now we have to hope Mike Brown can do a better job. I don't think he's going to be much different honestly. Hope he proves me wrong. It will be a sin to fall short when the team is so close and the championship is right there for the taking.

Last season was injuries and what if.
This season was poor coaching and what if.
Next season we need to get over the hump!! It's not gonna get easier as these young teams/stars come into their own.

We had no bench last season


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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1232 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jul 3, 2025 8:37 pm

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It's no great mystery why Thibs was fired. Add up all the contracts that the Knicks paid for players to rot on the bench. Look at the injuries from overuse or being in the game when there was no reason for it. Look at the historically bad bench usage/production this year as we fall short in the playoffs running 7 man rotations. I'm sure Grimes and Obi are also a part of the equation. Thibs was a stubborn man and it stunted the growth of the team.

Now we have to hope Mike Brown can do a better job. I don't think he's going to be much different honestly. Hope he proves me wrong. It will be a sin to fall short when the team is so close and the championship is right there for the taking.

Last season was injuries and what if.
This season was poor coaching and what if.
Next season we need to get over the hump!! It's not gonna get easier as these young teams/stars come into their own.

We had no bench last season


Nonsense.

:noway: Then why was improving the bench a primary issue addressed this offseason? Why’d we sign Clarkson and Yabu?
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1233 » by Barcs » Thu Jul 3, 2025 9:09 pm

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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1234 » by Gravy » Thu Jul 3, 2025 9:15 pm

Sounds like IHart indirectly says the bench was better with him, IQ and Obi compared to what Thibs had this season

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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1235 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Jul 3, 2025 9:51 pm

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Nonsense.

:noway: Then why was improving the bench a primary issue addressed this offseason? Why’d we sign Clarkson and Yabu?


Because we found a better/cheaper player than precious and someone was drunk when they signed Clarkson. :lol:

We ran 7 and scraps for minutes for anyone else all year bro. Injuries or not. Thibs getting up to 50 minutes for whoever he brought off the bench was a miracle.

We are filling in the bench around the top 7 we had last year. Why? Because we have about $50 to spend and you need 14 players.

We had a bench. Now we have a different one.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1236 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jul 3, 2025 9:54 pm

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Nonsense.

:noway: Then why was improving the bench a primary issue addressed this offseason? Why’d we sign Clarkson and Yabu?


Because we found a better/cheaper player than precious and someone was drunk when they signed Clarkson. :lol:

We ran 7 and scraps for minutes for anyone else all year bro. Injuries or not. Thibs getting up to 50 minutes for whoever he brought off the bench was a miracle.

We are filling in the bench around the top 7 we had last year. Why? Because we have about $50 to spend and you need 14 players.

We had a bench. Now we have a different one.

So we improved the bench even though the bench was good last season? Do I have that right?
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1237 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Jul 3, 2025 10:18 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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HarthorneWingo wrote: :noway: Then why was improving the bench a primary issue addressed this offseason? Why’d we sign Clarkson and Yabu?


Because we found a better/cheaper player than precious and someone was drunk when they signed Clarkson. :lol:

We ran 7 and scraps for minutes for anyone else all year bro. Injuries or not. Thibs getting up to 50 minutes for whoever he brought off the bench was a miracle.

We are filling in the bench around the top 7 we had last year. Why? Because we have about $50 to spend and you need 14 players.

We had a bench. Now we have a different one.

So we improved the bench even though the bench was good last season? Do I have that right?


Did we? I haven't seen them play yet. Hmmm.

We had able bodies who were good enough to play and we didn't play them, That's what I am talking about. Most of the time when he did play them they played well and he would bench them anyway. You do realize he got fired for this right? We had a bench.


If you think Clarkson is an upgrade over Shamet ok. I disagree. Yabu over Precious? Is that a tough decision to make? Our bench consisted of:
Deuce/Payne/Shamet/Wright/Precious/Mitch/Kolek/Huk/Pac etc.

All were healthy the second half of the season except for Huk.

We played:
Deuce/Mitch

Anyone else was fighting to get 5-10 minutes and maybe 30 minutes combined.

It cost him his job according to reports.

We had a bench. We still have almost the same exact bench with two different players. Thibs would have still played them just as few minutes.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1238 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jul 4, 2025 6:51 am

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Because we found a better/cheaper player than precious and someone was drunk when they signed Clarkson. :lol:

We ran 7 and scraps for minutes for anyone else all year bro. Injuries or not. Thibs getting up to 50 minutes for whoever he brought off the bench was a miracle.

We are filling in the bench around the top 7 we had last year. Why? Because we have about $50 to spend and you need 14 players.

We had a bench. Now we have a different one.

So we improved the bench even though the bench was good last season? Do I have that right?


Did we? I haven't seen them play yet. Hmmm.

We had able bodies who were good enough to play and we didn't play them, That's what I am talking about. Most of the time when he did play them they played well and he would bench them anyway. You do realize he got fired for this right? We had a bench.


If you think Clarkson is an upgrade over Shamet ok. I disagree. Yabu over Precious? Is that a tough decision to make? Our bench consisted of:
Deuce/Payne/Shamet/Wright/Precious/Mitch/Kolek/Huk/Pac etc.

All were healthy the second half of the season except for Huk.

We played:
Deuce/Mitch

Anyone else was fighting to get 5-10 minutes and maybe 30 minutes combined.

It cost him his job according to reports.

We had a bench. We still have almost the same exact bench with two different players. Thibs would have still played them just as few minutes.

Look, when Hart came off the bench, Thibs played him. Same for IQ. Same for Mitch once he was cleared to play more minutes. He knew who was ready and who wasn’t. I hope if these youngsters develop that people give Thibs the proper respect. There’s no coach who is more prepared than him. Here’s iHart discussing Thibs:



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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1239 » by HopelessKnick » Fri Jul 4, 2025 8:38 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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HarthorneWingo wrote:So we improved the bench even though the bench was good last season? Do I have that right?


Did we? I haven't seen them play yet. Hmmm.

We had able bodies who were good enough to play and we didn't play them, That's what I am talking about. Most of the time when he did play them they played well and he would bench them anyway. You do realize he got fired for this right? We had a bench.


If you think Clarkson is an upgrade over Shamet ok. I disagree. Yabu over Precious? Is that a tough decision to make? Our bench consisted of:
Deuce/Payne/Shamet/Wright/Precious/Mitch/Kolek/Huk/Pac etc.

All were healthy the second half of the season except for Huk.

We played:
Deuce/Mitch

Anyone else was fighting to get 5-10 minutes and maybe 30 minutes combined.

It cost him his job according to reports.

We had a bench. We still have almost the same exact bench with two different players. Thibs would have still played them just as few minutes.

Look, when Hart came off the bench, Thibs played him. Same for IQ. Same for Mitch once he was cleared to play more minutes. He knew who was ready and who wasn’t. I hope if these youngsters develop that people give Thibs the proper respect. There’s no coach who is more prepared than him. Here’s iHart discussing Thibs:



You people who dogged him gonna get FAFO’d.


Maybe he was prepared in a technical way, but certainly not in a holistic way.

It was clear from january on that the starting line-up is not working anymore and Thibs didn't even attempt some different look. He had at one point all 5 starters in the league's top 20 in minutes played. In November people were saying a 7,5 man rotation is not going to succeed in May but Thibs kept at it. In the end really all legitimate criticism of hmi came true and cost us the Pacers series and a legit shot at a title against OKC. On top it seems at least part of the players were not buying into him anymore.

We needed to go a different direction, there is no question about that.
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Re: Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2 

Post#1240 » by NoStatsGuy » Fri Jul 4, 2025 10:01 am

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HarthorneWingo wrote:
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Because we found a better/cheaper player than precious and someone was drunk when they signed Clarkson. :lol:

We ran 7 and scraps for minutes for anyone else all year bro. Injuries or not. Thibs getting up to 50 minutes for whoever he brought off the bench was a miracle.

We are filling in the bench around the top 7 we had last year. Why? Because we have about $50 to spend and you need 14 players.

We had a bench. Now we have a different one.

So we improved the bench even though the bench was good last season? Do I have that right?


Did we? I haven't seen them play yet. Hmmm.

We had able bodies who were good enough to play and we didn't play them, That's what I am talking about. Most of the time when he did play them they played well and he would bench them anyway. You do realize he got fired for this right? We had a bench.


If you think Clarkson is an upgrade over Shamet ok. I disagree. Yabu over Precious? Is that a tough decision to make? Our bench consisted of:
Deuce/Payne/Shamet/Wright/Precious/Mitch/Kolek/Huk/Pac etc.

All were healthy the second half of the season except for Huk.

We played:
Deuce/Mitch

Anyone else was fighting to get 5-10 minutes and maybe 30 minutes combined.

It cost him his job according to reports.

We had a bench. We still have almost the same exact bench with two different players. Thibs would have still played them just as few minutes.


have you seen yabu play in philly? no shot you think precious is on that level. the guy dunked over lebron aswell.. precious wouldnt even look at the basket much less put up a controlled lay up. stop it now.

our bench was absolute garbage. we got rid of donte and ihart, two players thibs played and trusted. Leon gave him cam payne as compensation. i agree with shamet, i dont think hes that bad and should have played more but he was injured msot of the season. and he cant score like clarkson, and thats what we need from the bench. we dont have a single scorer on the bench.

thibs didnt collaborate, ignored input from assistants and everything was his way. he got fired for it, rightfully so. i dont have an issue with that. but saying we had a bench is just weird to me. i dont know if we watched the same games. our bench players were atrocious when they played 75% of the time.
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