[Camelo Thread Part 15] - Slim Chance of LA/DEN Deal

[aggo]

JerryZgoda Jerry Zgoda
#Timberwolves are willing to be a partner if Knicks, Nugs can reach a deal. But Kahn says he has no idea if that will happen.
9 minutes ago

so pretty much i take it as minnesota and knicks are down for this part of the trade and it's all in denver's hands right now.

People have to understand that we just cant keep giving teams expirings. The point of involving minnesota is so that DEN gets under the luxury tax to begin with. DEN isnt interested in swapping contract sizes 1:1.

[Jitpal]

WOJO on the fan right now with Evan Roberts.

What sort of anti-knick vitriol is he spewing this time? Has he gotten up on high horse to tell us why the Knicks aren't able to do this deal because of their frumpy owner? -Jitpal

[St Knick]

You lost me at "The Michael Kay Show". The guy is a total tool who just makes stuff up on the fly to cause angst amongst his new york listeneres. The guy does not know ****

[truth serum]

WOJO on the fan right now with Evan Roberts.

What sort of anti-knick vitriol is he spewing this time? Has he gotten up on high horse to tell us why the Knicks aren't able to do this deal because of their frumpy owner? -Jitpal

Actually...he is doing the exact opposite. Really good interview. Giving a lot of props to Donnie. Said the Knicks are in a position of power. Said Donnie has played this really well...Donnie "let the Nets be the boxer who punched themselves out" and is going to continue to let it ride out because he knows he has leverage.

Says Melo is bluffing with his latest quotes. Everyone knows he doesn't really mean it. That he could possibly extend if it came down to it but that he wants to be a Knick more than anything and this is a last ditch effort to push the Knicks to deal for him.

Says the Lakers deal won't happen. The Lakers don't want to do it....said he even talked to Kobe about it and Kobe doesn't want to do it. Quoted Kobe as saying that the Lakers' strength is their size and length and they don't want to mess with that.

He did say that he can see Donnie eventually giving up one more piece like Gallo or Fields but that he ultimately sees a deal getting done with NY and no one else, though the better option for Denver might be to just keep him out of pride. That they would rather keep him and see how it unfolds through the summer than to take a bad deal which is why if the Knicks want him now, they might have to up their offer.

Overall, he didn't sound nearly as douchey as he does in his articles. Sounded knowledgeable and level-headed...not biased at all. I like what I heard but from what I gather....the bottom line is that Donnie is going to try to push this to the deadline to see if he can keep his guys, but that we'll most likely have to give up more than the current offer of Curry, Chandler and AR to get Melo now. If not, the likely scenario is that he stays in Denver for the rest of the season and then the new saga will begin. Will Anthony ride it out til free agency??? Ughh....

[magnumt]

You lost me at "The Michael Kay Show". The guy is a total tool who just makes stuff up on the fly to cause angst amongst his new york listeneres. The guy does not know ****

The Fan = Mike Francesca on WFAN.

[Jitpal]

Is it just me or do Michael Kay's tweets sound as condescending as he does on the radio?

Our own Jeff Van Gundy joined us & said he would give up Fields,Chandler & Gallinari if that is what it would take to get Carmelo-Would you?

Good stuff truth serum. Makes a lot of sense as many speculated that Donnie is going to hold a hard line here and see what happens. -Jitpal

[Fury]

I wouldn't because of Paul, Williams and Howard lurking.

[aggo]

Is it just me or do Michael Kay's tweets sound as condescending as he does on the radio?

Our own Jeff Van Gundy joined us & said he would give up Fields,Chandler & Gallinari if that is what it would take to get Carmelo-Would you?

Good stuff truth serum. Makes a lot of sense as many speculated that Donnie is going to hold a hard line here and see what happens. -Jitpal

it is exactly the position donnie should be taking.

until DEN crawls back to us begging for fields nothing will happen on our part. we made an offer, they were receptive and we're waiting for a reply or a counter.

[CHARLYMURPHY]

Ny- curry Chandler azu ar fields. For melo jr smith

[Jitpal]

Ny- curry Chandler azu ar fields. For melo jr smith

Theory or did you hear that somewhere? LINK DAMNIT MAN DON'T TEASE!!!! -Jitpal

[AllanHoustonFan]

Ny- curry Chandler azu ar fields. For melo jr smith

Theory or did you hear that somewhere? LINK DAMNIT MAN DON'T TEASE!!!! -Jitpal

[Context]

Again, with Minnesota and Kahn on stand by, there is no way Kroenke holds on to Melo instead of taking the 23 million in deadline savings. Maybe the throw in AH and call it a day.

[truth serum]

At this point, I'd take AH and Birdman over giving up Fields/Gallo. Really don't wanna lose those guys. If Moz continues to be a factor, we can make serious noise THIS YEAR with that team. We'd be so well rounded. I think Gallo would flourish off the bench too. Fields would be twice as effective. Melo is great at finding the cutter. Melo and Amar'e drawing constant double teams means Landry having a Field day. Pun intended.

[stuporman]

So many people are saying WC is going to get big bucks but if he has another surgery after the season how does he expect to get that? Especially if it's the third season in a row where he doesn't finish out the season healthy. He wouldn't even command MLE money. He just might take the QO of whatever team has his rights at that point and try to have a season next year where he can really get that contract he hopes to get.

[truth serum]

Just thinking about it...looking at this lineup...

Felton/Douglas
Fields/Shawne or Walker (can Purp play the 2??)
Melo/Gallo
Amar'e/Harrington
Mozgov/Birdman

I'm assuming we give up guys like Azu and Turiaf to make salaries work there. But if Birdman can keep healthy, I think he does a better job than Turiaf anyway. The guy can rebound and is a nasty shot blocker in his own right. I don't see any real weakness in that team aside from Harrington lol. The defense may still be questionable but all of those guys have the tools to contribute in that aspect, and we'd at least be very effective in protecting the rim with Timmy and Birdman at center and Amar'e cemented in to the PF spot. If this team can't get stops, it would fall on D'Antoni's shoulders in a major way. Offensively, it would be mayhem for other teams and that might be an understatement. Again, I think our biggest concern would be figuring out a role for No Sharrington. Dude just annoys me but I admit he could be good off the bench at 20 or so minutes a game.

[swisscheeseD]

At this point, I'd take AH and Birdman over giving up Fields/Gallo. Really don't wanna lose those guys. If Moz continues to be a factor, we can make serious noise THIS YEAR with that team. We'd be so well rounded. I think Gallo would flourish off the bench too. Fields would be twice as effective. Melo is great at finding the cutter. Melo and Amar'e drawing constant double teams means Landry having a Field day. Pun intended.

The beauty of our offer is that we can still go that route before having to include Gallo or Fields. Walsh has played his hand so well, there's no reason he should feel pressured into selling the farm because of a Lakers offer that makes zero sense for both squads.

The only concern with taking back Free Candy and Bird (aside from the obvious) is that we won't be in the position to be players in 2012. If we were to include Fields or Gallo, while not having to take back one of those contracts, we'd be in the same position of leverage to put the pressure on the Hornets to move CP3 to us by the deadline next season. If we take on those contracts, we won't have ANY leverage.

[marcuz]

DO NOT WANT AH...you guys serious? You can not move that contract ANYWHERE for space. He doesn't help this team and takes better & smarter players shots. Deal breaker for me.

[BigUgly]

This is how i feel about all these rumors




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[magnumt]

At this point, I'd take AH and Birdman over giving up Fields/Gallo. Really don't wanna lose those guys. If Moz continues to be a factor, we can make serious noise THIS YEAR with that team. We'd be so well rounded. I think Gallo would flourish off the bench too. Fields would be twice as effective. Melo is great at finding the cutter. Melo and Amar'e drawing constant double teams means Landry having a Field day. Pun intended.

The beauty of our offer is that we can still go that route before having to include Gallo or Fields. Walsh has played his hand so well, there's no reason he should feel pressured into selling the farm because of a Lakers offer that makes zero sense for both squads.

The only concern with taking back Free Candy and Bird (aside from the obvious) is that we won't be in the position to be players in 2012. If we were to include Fields or Gallo, while not having to take back one of those contracts, we'd be in the same position of leverage to put the pressure on the Hornets to move CP3 to us by the deadline next season. If we take on those contracts, we won't have ANY leverage.

If we do indeed do a deal like that (take on AH and Birdman), and lose Fields we can still do a 2012 deal. We can S&T Felton+Gallo+Picks for Deron or Paul (more would have to be added) but it's still doable.

--Mags

[Johnny Hoops]

Everybody is assuming that the next offer has to ADD either Gallo or Fields to the prior published rumor of Curry, AR & Chandler.

Maybe in Donnie's mind his next offer is to swap Fields in and keep Chandler out.

If we sign Melo to extension we can go over in resigning Chandler - I believe.

So - though not ideal - compared to standing offer - this is better than giving both Chandler and either Fields or Gallo.

Donnie could be saying NO WAY to including either Fields or Gallo -- knowing full well he'd be willing to insert one or the other for Chandler.

Let's not forget = about 2 weeks ago everyone love Chandler and Gallo was the evil step child.

Just saying -- this is an option in negotiations before you decide to offer 2 of the 3 players.