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[Chanel Bomber]

Make that 7.

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Jokic? I got something for you. Ion know how u can hate on Tatum but stan hard for Jokic when Tatum better as a 22 year old. Lol. Ain’t nothing bout being a “xenophobe” when Tatum putting up numbers that only Kobe and Bron did at the same age bro. That’s a lazy take

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Bro I said it’s hot take for a reason, I was just being provocative. I know there’s plenty of reasons to like Tatum, although I do think my point is valid for some people like SAS, who notoriously hates Euros and is scrambling to hype up any rising American star.

In all seriousness, you can make the case for Tatum for the reasons you mentioned, I just don’t see him as a Kobe/Bron level-talent. He’s an excellent all-around player and the production is great but I don’t think he has the creativity or the basketball genius to become a true superstar. He still has room to grow, obviously, but his game is a little too mechanical or methodical to be that future MVP-level talent imo. He might be better than all of them now, but I think guys like Trae, Book and Zion have a higher upside.

He’s special. My point was that he’s not that special.

I still think it’s a lazy take. Cause I’ve seen plenty of people who love Euro players and think Tatum is a super star. I mean I even think Luka is the real deal and Giannis in my eyes is the most dominant player since Shaq. I also love Murray, another player you mentioned. It has nothing to do with being “xenophobia”. I’m even calling for the Knicks to draft Killian Hayes. We just think Tatum is legit. That’s all it is. Call it personal preference. But xenophobia is a reach bro.

I wasn’t calling you that, I know you’re solid. I really had SAS and the likes in mind, and overgeneralized in a facetious manner. But I understand and respect that you want to make that clear to defend your character. So apologies if you felt compelled to do that because I made you feel like I put you in that box.

About game, Tatum is most definitely legit and a star. I guess we project his ceiling differently, and that’s cool.

[3toheadmelo]

Bro I said it’s hot take for a reason, I was just being provocative. I know there’s plenty of reasons to like Tatum, although I do think my point is valid for some people like SAS, who notoriously hates Euros and is scrambling to hype up any rising American star.

In all seriousness, you can make the case for Tatum for the reasons you mentioned, I just don’t see him as a Kobe/Bron level-talent. He’s an excellent all-around player and the production is great but I don’t think he has the creativity or the basketball genius to become a true superstar. He still has room to grow, obviously, but his game is a little too mechanical or methodical to be that future MVP-level talent imo. He might be better than all of them now, but I think guys like Trae, Book and Zion have a higher upside.

He’s special. My point was that he’s not that special.

I still think it’s a lazy take. Cause I’ve seen plenty of people who love Euro players and think Tatum is a super star. I mean I even think Luka is the real deal and Giannis in my eyes is the most dominant player since Shaq. I also love Murray, another player you mentioned. It has nothing to do with being “xenophobia”. I’m even calling for the Knicks to draft Killian Hayes. We just think Tatum is legit. That’s all it is. Call it personal preference. But xenophobia is a reach bro.

I wasn’t calling you that, I know you’re solid. I really had SAS and the likes in mind, and overgeneralized in a facetious manner. But I understand and respect that you want to make that clear to defend your character. So apologies if you felt compelled to do that because I made you feel like I put you in that box.

About game, Tatum is most definitely legit and a star. I guess we project his ceiling differently, and that’s cool.

You good bro, no need to apologize. We’ll see what happens with Tatum over the years

[knicks94]

I hate how Miami quickly locked up Spoelstra to a contract extension without allowing other teams the opportunity to sign him. Had he been a free agent after this season he would have been my number 1 choice to be Knicks coach.

[Montmorencie]

Tatum is a talent no doubt about that but he will have to work it. I mean he will have to work a lot.

People are exaggerating about him because its Boston. They've been miserable for years and they are desperate for some glory. OK, fine. It's not like he is not a talent.

But he is not the biggest talent. He is a scorer. This is it. His defense is the least impressive in the Celtics besides Kemba. He is not a good passer. He is not a great rebounder. He is not a leader, he doesn't seem to extra motivate the others, nor to lead them like players like Luka, Morant,Mitchell, Murray and other youth are doing.

Don't get me wrong I like him a lot, but he is not there yet. People saying he is on Luka, Mitchell, Murray or even Morant level are crazy.

Tatum and Brad Stevens are overrated and overhyped and this is the reason they will fail for third straight year.

If they are as good as we are being told they would have beaten the worst finalist since Phily in 2001 in Cleveland, they would have beaten as we see the highly overrated Milwaukee team and they would have beaten for sure the Heat which is not a more talented team on paper than them. It's just that coach Spo is hard outcoaching Stevens and Jimmy Buttler being a true leader in the key moments while Tatum only scores when they are 10+ down.

Facts.

[Clyde_Style]

Yikes, nobody on the Celtics is a franchise player

They have some very good players who might continue to improve, but there are no superstars in Boston. Sheesh

[Worst_to_First]

Yeah this is why we don’t deserve nice things LOL.

[3toheadmelo]

Yeah this is why we don’t deserve nice things LOL.

Yeah I guess people are happy with Knox and Frank

[-YogiBiz-]

Yeah this is why we don’t deserve nice things LOL.

Yeah I guess people are happy with Knox and Frank

Superstars in the making those two

[Chanel Bomber]

Yeah this is why we don’t deserve nice things LOL.

Yeah I guess people are happy with Knox and Frank

Superstars in the making those two

2019-20:

Mitchell Robinson FG% .742

Knox and Frank cumulative FG% .752

[LookToShoot]

Tatum is a talent no doubt about that but he will have to work it. I mean he will have to work a lot.

People are exaggerating about him because its Boston. They've been miserable for years and they are desperate for some glory. OK, fine. It's not like he is not a talent.

But he is not the biggest talent. He is a scorer. This is it. His defense is the least impressive in the Celtics besides Kemba. He is not a good passer. He is not a great rebounder. He is not a leader, he doesn't seem to extra motivate the others, nor to lead them like players like Luka, Morant,Mitchell, Murray and other youth are doing.

Don't get me wrong I like him a lot, but he is not there yet. People saying he is on Luka, Mitchell, Murray or even Morant level are crazy.

Tatum and Brad Stevens are overrated and overhyped and this is the reason they will fail for third straight year.

If they are as good as we are being told they would have beaten the worst finalist since Phily in 2001 in Cleveland, they would have beaten as we see the highly overrated Milwaukee team and they would have beaten for sure the Heat which is not a more talented team on paper than them. It's just that coach Spo is hard outcoaching Stevens and Jimmy Buttler being a true leader in the key moments while Tatum only scores when they are 10+ down.

Facts.

Tatum is an average to below average player. Anyone who says otherwise watches too much ESPN. He’s just not elite. Brown is the best player the Celtics have and they don’t use him.

[Chanel Bomber]

Tatum is a talent no doubt about that but he will have to work it. I mean he will have to work a lot.

People are exaggerating about him because its Boston. They've been miserable for years and they are desperate for some glory. OK, fine. It's not like he is not a talent.

But he is not the biggest talent. He is a scorer. This is it. His defense is the least impressive in the Celtics besides Kemba. He is not a good passer. He is not a great rebounder. He is not a leader, he doesn't seem to extra motivate the others, nor to lead them like players like Luka, Morant,Mitchell, Murray and other youth are doing.

Don't get me wrong I like him a lot, but he is not there yet. People saying he is on Luka, Mitchell, Murray or even Morant level are crazy.

Tatum and Brad Stevens are overrated and overhyped and this is the reason they will fail for third straight year.

If they are as good as we are being told they would have beaten the worst finalist since Phily in 2001 in Cleveland, they would have beaten as we see the highly overrated Milwaukee team and they would have beaten for sure the Heat which is not a more talented team on paper than them. It's just that coach Spo is hard outcoaching Stevens and Jimmy Buttler being a true leader in the key moments while Tatum only scores when they are 10+ down.

Facts.

Tatum is an average to below average player. Anyone who says otherwise watches too much ESPN. He’s just not elite. Brown is the best player the Celtics have and they don’t use him.

[-YogiBiz-]

Tatum is a talent no doubt about that but he will have to work it. I mean he will have to work a lot.

People are exaggerating about him because its Boston. They've been miserable for years and they are desperate for some glory. OK, fine. It's not like he is not a talent.

But he is not the biggest talent. He is a scorer. This is it. His defense is the least impressive in the Celtics besides Kemba. He is not a good passer. He is not a great rebounder. He is not a leader, he doesn't seem to extra motivate the others, nor to lead them like players like Luka, Morant,Mitchell, Murray and other youth are doing.

Don't get me wrong I like him a lot, but he is not there yet. People saying he is on Luka, Mitchell, Murray or even Morant level are crazy.

Tatum and Brad Stevens are overrated and overhyped and this is the reason they will fail for third straight year.

If they are as good as we are being told they would have beaten the worst finalist since Phily in 2001 in Cleveland, they would have beaten as we see the highly overrated Milwaukee team and they would have beaten for sure the Heat which is not a more talented team on paper than them. It's just that coach Spo is hard outcoaching Stevens and Jimmy Buttler being a true leader in the key moments while Tatum only scores when they are 10+ down.

Facts.

Tatum is an average to below average player. Anyone who says otherwise watches too much ESPN. He’s just not elite. Brown is the best player the Celtics have and they don’t use him.

If someone came in and average 23/7/3/1/1 for the Knicks, we would be crowning him as the next best player in the NBA.

[-YogiBiz-]

Yeah I guess people are happy with Knox and Frank

Superstars in the making those two

2019-20:

Mitchell Robinson FG% .742

Knox and Frank cumulative FG% .752

Man if they can make it to 37.6% each that's an improvement for both of them

[Zenzibar]

Tatum is a talent no doubt about that but he will have to work it. I mean he will have to work a lot.

People are exaggerating about him because its Boston. They've been miserable for years and they are desperate for some glory. OK, fine. It's not like he is not a talent.

But he is not the biggest talent. He is a scorer. This is it. His defense is the least impressive in the Celtics besides Kemba. He is not a good passer. He is not a great rebounder. He is not a leader, he doesn't seem to extra motivate the others, nor to lead them like players like Luka, Morant,Mitchell, Murray and other youth are doing.

Don't get me wrong I like him a lot, but he is not there yet. People saying he is on Luka, Mitchell, Murray or even Morant level are crazy.

Tatum and Brad Stevens are overrated and overhyped and this is the reason they will fail for third straight year.

If they are as good as we are being told they would have beaten the worst finalist since Phily in 2001 in Cleveland, they would have beaten as we see the highly overrated Milwaukee team and they would have beaten for sure the Heat which is not a more talented team on paper than them. It's just that coach Spo is hard outcoaching Stevens and Jimmy Buttler being a true leader in the key moments while Tatum only scores when they are 10+ down.

Facts.

Tatum is an average to below average player. Anyone who says otherwise watches too much ESPN. He’s just not elite. Brown is the best player the Celtics have and they don’t use him.

[robillionaire]

Tatum is a great player but it’s kinda like KP in that idk if I would want to max him out and Boston will have to max him out

[LookToShoot]

Tatum is a talent no doubt about that but he will have to work it. I mean he will have to work a lot.

People are exaggerating about him because its Boston. They've been miserable for years and they are desperate for some glory. OK, fine. It's not like he is not a talent.

But he is not the biggest talent. He is a scorer. This is it. His defense is the least impressive in the Celtics besides Kemba. He is not a good passer. He is not a great rebounder. He is not a leader, he doesn't seem to extra motivate the others, nor to lead them like players like Luka, Morant,Mitchell, Murray and other youth are doing.

Don't get me wrong I like him a lot, but he is not there yet. People saying he is on Luka, Mitchell, Murray or even Morant level are crazy.

Tatum and Brad Stevens are overrated and overhyped and this is the reason they will fail for third straight year.

If they are as good as we are being told they would have beaten the worst finalist since Phily in 2001 in Cleveland, they would have beaten as we see the highly overrated Milwaukee team and they would have beaten for sure the Heat which is not a more talented team on paper than them. It's just that coach Spo is hard outcoaching Stevens and Jimmy Buttler being a true leader in the key moments while Tatum only scores when they are 10+ down.

Facts.

Tatum is an average to below average player. Anyone who says otherwise watches too much ESPN. He’s just not elite. Brown is the best player the Celtics have and they don’t use him.

If someone came in and average 23/7/3/1/1 for the Knicks, we would be crowning him as the next best player in the NBA.

Tatum isn’t good, not a complete player.

- Bad shooting touch, doesn’t have a feel for the ball.

- Poor ball handler

- Inefficient scorer

- Bricks a lot of layups and threes.

- Has one predictable side step move and mostly bricks.


He should stick to being a spot up shooter and playing off ball. He’s not a star and will never be. Jaylen Brown is way ahead of him and is the 4th option.

[Chanel Bomber]

Tatum is an average to below average player. Anyone who says otherwise watches too much ESPN. He’s just not elite. Brown is the best player the Celtics have and they don’t use him.

If someone came in and average 23/7/3/1/1 for the Knicks, we would be crowning him as the next best player in the NBA.

Tatum isn’t good, not a complete player.

- Bad shooting touch, doesn’t have a feel for the ball.

- Poor ball handler

- Inefficient scorer

- Bricks a lot of layups and threes.

- Has one predictable side step move and mostly bricks.


He should stick to being a spot up shooter and playing off ball. He’s not a star and will never be. Jaylen Brown is way ahead of him and is the 4th option.

I'm not the biggest Tatum guy but he is an efficient scorer with a TS% of .567 in the regular season and .575 in the playoffs. Those are efficient percentages.

You can't be dismissive of analytics and then bring up efficiency when the numbers contradict your statement. Just saying.

[LookToShoot]

If someone came in and average 23/7/3/1/1 for the Knicks, we would be crowning him as the next best player in the NBA.

Tatum isn’t good, not a complete player.

- Bad shooting touch, doesn’t have a feel for the ball.

- Poor ball handler

- Inefficient scorer

- Bricks a lot of layups and threes.

- Has one predictable side step move and mostly bricks.


He should stick to being a spot up shooter and playing off ball. He’s not a star and will never be. Jaylen Brown is way ahead of him and is the 4th option.

I'm not the biggest Tatum guy but he is an efficient scorer with a TS% of .567 in the regular season and .575 in the playoffs. Those are efficient percentages.

You can't be dismissive of analytics and then bring up efficiency when the numbers contradict your statement. Just saying.

I don’t need analytics to tell me he isn’t good. Fundamentals aren’t there and he can’t shoot. He is one of many manufactured stars in a league of glorified specialty players and ESPN favorites.

[EricAnderson]

Some of you are delusional about Tatum he’s young as hell and was dominating the first few rounds of the playoffs. He has a tough series against a great defensive team and now he’s a bum or not a franchise player? He’s been to the ECF twice in his first three years we’d hail a player a savior for that..

Celtics are positioned great for the future and this is coming from a Boston hater.. Tatum will have multiple rings before he retires

[Chanel Bomber]

Tatum isn’t good, not a complete player.

- Bad shooting touch, doesn’t have a feel for the ball.

- Poor ball handler

- Inefficient scorer

- Bricks a lot of layups and threes.

- Has one predictable side step move and mostly bricks.


He should stick to being a spot up shooter and playing off ball. He’s not a star and will never be. Jaylen Brown is way ahead of him and is the 4th option.

I'm not the biggest Tatum guy but he is an efficient scorer with a TS% of .567 in the regular season and .575 in the playoffs. Those are efficient percentages.

You can't be dismissive of analytics and then bring up efficiency when the numbers contradict your statement. Just saying.

I don’t need analytics to tell me he isn’t good. Fundamentals aren’t there and he can’t shoot. He is one of many manufactured stars in a league of glorified specialty players and ESPN favorites.

You're eurostepping the point.

You said he's an inefficient scorer. This is not true, and the data proves it. Tatum is an efficient scorer.

Analytics are not your enemy.