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2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

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Who do you guys want the most assuming all of these players are within our range

James Bouknight
29
24%
Ayo Dosunmo
7
6%
Tre Mann
15
12%
Davion Mitchell
15
12%
Josh Giddey
22
18%
Jared Butler
10
8%
Ziaire Williams
7
6%
BJ Boston
2
2%
Moses Moody
5
4%
Sharife Cooper
10
8%
 
Total votes: 122

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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1481 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:43 am

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mpharris36 wrote:
HEZI wrote:
I never get caught up on length of arms, we all know it doesn't mean much. It's something to talk about and analyze when there isn't any basketball actually going on but I liked Deuce way before the combine and his stock is rising because of his game.


it matters because it also gives him positional versatility which is valuable in todays NBA. Marcus Smart is small but has a huge winspan which allows him to guard like 4 positions. It helps when you need to switch and teams take advantage of your weakness. I think wingspan matters way more than height cause you don't guard guys with your head.

Skill is obvious the most important (but you could watch him this year to know he has skill). A lot of guys have skill but they just aren't big enough to play in the NBA because they get taken advantage of. the wingspan helps


Positioning, footwork, quickness, instincts, etc. These are what make guys quality defenders especially guards, not long arms. Marcus Smart has those qualities.


Sure but it's still an advantage to have to wingspan.
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Post#1482 » by bleedblue3303 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:07 am

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Knicksfan1992 wrote:
So a whole bunch of crap, a prospect in a position that we already have a better prospect in, and a lottery ticket at 7 for an All NBA 2nd teamer?

Yeah... hard pass


Do you really think Randle is top 10 player in NBA?
Does anyone in Realgm?


Apparently the media did this year?

No All-NBA 2nd teamer would get traded for that package no matter how fraudulent pessimistic Knicks fan may think it is...


I would really consider this trade. Also listen to Macri there is something in Randles contract on draft night that its only 4 million in cap. we might not even have to take back wiggins
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1483 » by El Poochio » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:38 am

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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1484 » by Spree2Houston » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:51 pm

DowNY wrote:Kings at 9 & Pelicans at 10 are interesting. Both teams have bad contracts that we can take on in a trade up scenario. Hield, Bledsoe, Adams, etc


Yeah the Kings may trade the 9th pick if some
Team is willing to take on Barnes and Hields. If the Knicks did this, it would max us out until 2023 which times out perfectly when Booker and KAT become free agents. If that’s who we’re really aiming for, then it’s not a bad trade idea. Barnes and Hields are still productive players and would keep the team looking competitive while collecting assets.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1485 » by -YogiBiz- » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:22 pm

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if Poku was actually good


If Franz Wagner had potential.

Bleijenbergh is one of my fav prospects in the class. Def could be a SF. His handles are really impressive for someone that big and young. Good finisher. Good Shooter (getting Better). Elite Passer. Good Rebounder. Good defender. Just a little thin right now, but 6'10 205 is pretty normal for a 20 SF that's never seen a S&C program worth a damn.

Very Kukoc-ey, I like it a lot. Can’t tell if he can shoot though, that would shoot him into lottery consideration I would think.


Super quick release, very good upper body mechanics and he starts his shot off square, just has a weird landing motion. It looks like he's turning his lower half to his left to get ready to pick up another ball from a ball rack. Other than that he has a very good jumpshot; he just suffers from a lot of things kids his age normally do, consistency. Was a decent FT this year (72.1%) in the Belgian League, but was pretty putrid in Eurocup (52.6%) (where he was a much better three point shooter than in the BSL (32.3% in BSL vs 37.5% in Eurocup)).
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Post#1486 » by TBri1974 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:54 pm

I don't think Sac has to attach an asset to move Barnes. Hields yes. I don't see how we could absorb both given the fact that RJ plays the same position. We sign and trade Noel and the #19 and the #32 for Barnes, Hields and #9? Take Moody at 9 and a big at 21?
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1487 » by robillionaire » Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:57 pm

Spree2Houston wrote:
DowNY wrote:Kings at 9 & Pelicans at 10 are interesting. Both teams have bad contracts that we can take on in a trade up scenario. Hield, Bledsoe, Adams, etc


Yeah the Kings may trade the 9th pick if some
Team is willing to take on Barnes and Hields. If the Knicks did this, it would max us out until 2023 which times out perfectly when Booker and KAT become free agents. If that’s who we’re really aiming for, then it’s not a bad trade idea. Barnes and Hields are still productive players and would keep the team looking competitive while collecting assets.


hield will still be on the books until 2024 and I don't know who is so good at 9 that the knicks would want to take on that much salary to move up there, it just seems like a move being made just for the sake of making a move rather than there being some consensus good top 10 player we are targeting in that range. because if we draft a bust at 9 or 10 (very high probability of that being the case) and punt our cap space for 2-3 years it's going to get ugly
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1488 » by Spree2Houston » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:06 pm

robillionaire wrote:
Spree2Houston wrote:
DowNY wrote:Kings at 9 & Pelicans at 10 are interesting. Both teams have bad contracts that we can take on in a trade up scenario. Hield, Bledsoe, Adams, etc


Yeah the Kings may trade the 9th pick if some
Team is willing to take on Barnes and Hields. If the Knicks did this, it would max us out until 2023 which times out perfectly when Booker and KAT become free agents. If that’s who we’re really aiming for, then it’s not a bad trade idea. Barnes and Hields are still productive players and would keep the team looking competitive while collecting assets.


hield will still be on the books until 2024 and I don't know who is so good at 9 that the knicks would want to take on that much salary to move up there, it just seems like a move being made just for the sake of making a move rather than there being some consensus good top 10 player we are targeting in that range. because if we draft a bust at 9 or 10 (very high probability of that being the case) and punt our cap space for 2-3 years it's going to get ugly


The next big FA class will be 2024 - KAT, Booker, Jaylen Brown and Sabonis

Unless we know for sure Lavine would be interested in coming here, I would save the space for the summer of 2024. I do believe you can get a all-star talent at 9, especially in this draft.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1489 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:26 pm

Read on Twitter


something pitched in the athletic as a possible trade. It kinda depends on who's there at 10 for me to want to do this trade. Like if Mitchell and Bouknight are gone there's no one I truly like in that range for us.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1490 » by CoolKids » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:44 pm

As a WVU fan/alumni I am not sure on McBride in the first. He’s not a traditional point…he has below average handle and offensive awareness for the pro level. Good athleticism and defender who can get hot with his jumper…he has upside but he isn’t going to be running an nba team in my opinion. As long as you are not expecting him to do that he could be an asset
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1491 » by -YogiBiz- » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:48 pm

FreeSpiritNY wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
Gravy wrote:The top 5 picks are already in the hall of fame by draft fans. A bust or mediocre player is not even a possibility


Yep, all 5 of them are literally Michael Jordan.

I actually can’t wait for some of these dudes to get in the league and struggle and I’m very confident that will happen and it will be pointed out repeatedly.

Cade shot 26% in the NCAA tournament and barely beat a Bible college and lost to a 12 seed, he is not going to make the Pistons a threat any time soon



Cade is going to be a bust. Cooper and duarte will be better players if they get the minutes. I dont see the hype in cade. Because he looks smooth? He also looks slow as a turtle is going to get slammed when he plays defense. his offense is based on being bigger than the opposing player which wont happen in the nab


Playing at a controlled pace =/= Being slow. Cade has blown by / defended many guys much smaller than him all season. Also he's a better athlete than Luka. Even then, Players w/ Advanced Skills that are average athletes by NBA standards > Uber Athletes 10/10 times.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1492 » by WargamesX » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:15 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Read on Twitter


something pitched in the athletic as a possible trade. It kinda depends on who's there at 10 for me to want to do this trade. Like if Mitchell and Bouknight are gone there's no one I truly like in that range for us.

I would hope they try to play hardball and do it for the 2023 pick and Knox :lol: 8-)

Jokes aside of course the Knicks should take this deal
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1493 » by -YogiBiz- » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:20 pm

If Cooper really is closer to 6'4", we can kiss any chance him falling to #19 good bye. The kids game is eerily similar to John Walls. Really fast and quick, good finisher, really good handler, elite vision, really good size for the position. Doesn't look like a shooter.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1494 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:36 pm

WargamesX wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Read on Twitter


something pitched in the athletic as a possible trade. It kinda depends on who's there at 10 for me to want to do this trade. Like if Mitchell and Bouknight are gone there's no one I truly like in that range for us.

I would hope they try to play hardball and do it for the 2023 pick and Knox :lol: 8-)

Jokes aside of course the Knicks should take this deal



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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1495 » by Juco24 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:17 pm

-YogiBiz- wrote:If Cooper really is closer to 6'4", we can kiss any chance him falling to #19 good bye. The kids game is eerily similar to John Walls. Really fast and quick, good finisher, really good handler, elite vision, really good size for the position. Doesn't look like a shooter.


Only way he's a legit 6'3/6'4 is if he had a sudden growth spurt... I went back and looked at footage - he definitely wasn't 6'3 @ Auburn
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1496 » by 7OnSeven » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:24 pm

DaGawd wrote:
Davis18 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:If they bust while we already know RJ is a young improving solid player you never get hired to be an executive in the league again


That would be the reason Ujiri might bite on plus RJ being Canadian.
You think RJ has same upside as either Green or Suggs?

I don’t bit like I said RJ at the very least is a really good young role player right now. If you trade that for a guy who ends up being a bust you’re done as an executive. We don’t know how good any of these guys will be yet


My first post, fellas!! Happy to be here. I know, STFU and GTFO. I get it. :D

The opposite scenario is much worse in my opinion. You keep RJ, he doesn't become a star, and then the player you could have had (Suggs/Mobley/Green) becomes a superstar, you're not going to be very happy about that. The good thing for the FO is that if this was somehow a possibility (it isn't because none of the top 4 teams will move out from those slots), no one will know they were given the opportunity to trade RJ for said superstar.

If there is any chance at ALL that we could snag ANY player in the top 4, you gut your roster to get it. I'm not concerned with what anyone on this board says, they ALL project as future stars. Will they all live up to that expectation? I doubt it. History says that won't happen. But at this stage of evaluation, this is one of the best top 5 drafts in recent times. It has a chance to end up similar to the Lebron/Wade/Melo/Bosh draft. Feel free to say I'm exaggerating, but every expert out there agrees.

And this draft is stacked overall. I don't get the people on here trying to say it's slim pickins after 5. There are a solid 4-6 players who also have star potential, and starter level players all the way to the beginning of the second round. I'm confident saying this will go down as one of the best ever, top to bottom.

So, that leaves us with our Knicks holding two picks at 19 and 21. Do we keep both? Do we package picks together and move up? We're not getting into the top 5, so no reason to even speculate trades to get there. No combo of players/picks will get us there (that includes moving RJ or Randle). Those teams are not trading the possibility of drafting a franchise player. So that said, what should we do?

I don't think Tom Thibs will want to have two rookie first rounders, so my guess is they will package both picks. So how far will that get us? Maybe 10-15? If we do that, we better have a specific player in mind. Don't do it just to do it.

Ultimately I hope they keep both. This roster is simply lacking talent, so having the ability to land two players in a very strong draft is the way they should go, regardless of how Thibs feels. I really hope our front office doesn't take 'demands' from the coach to make one move or another. Thibs is the coach, and while feedback is welcomed, the FO makes the roster decisions.

For starters, keep both firsts and draft either Sharife or Ayo. We need several new potential PG's in play for next year. Hope to hit on one (Draft Pick/Vildoza/Free Agent). We can't sit on our hands and not take several shots at the PG position. It's too important.

With the other first rounder, I'd like to see Chris Duarte. I don't care about his age. We need talent and shooting, and he brings both and could also be an impact player from day 1. If we really do think we're a playoff team (I think we're more of an 8th/bubble team rather than a 4th seed at the moment), we'll want players who can step in and play valuable minutes from the get go. I'm also cool with the FO trying to hit a home run with one of the picks, and the players I'd go with in that scenario are: Greg Brown/Jaden Springer/Cameron Thomas.

Okay, I'll STFU and GTFO now. Thanks for listening.

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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1497 » by 7OnSeven » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:31 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
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Knicksfan1992 wrote:
So a whole bunch of crap, a prospect in a position that we already have a better prospect in, and a lottery ticket at 7 for an All NBA 2nd teamer?

Yeah... hard pass


Do you really think Randle is top 10 player in NBA?
Does anyone in Realgm?


Apparently the media did this year?

No All-NBA 2nd teamer would get traded for that package no matter how fraudulent pessimistic Knicks fan may think it is...


Who cares what the media says. Randle is obviously not a top 10 player. Let's be real here. Both advanced stats and your eyes should tell you that. He's a very good player, don't get me wrong, but he's not even sniffing the top 20.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1498 » by 7OnSeven » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:35 pm

Marty McFly wrote:
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who suggested just taking on a contract and trading randle?



Page or 2 back. Someone mentioned taking on wall and rockets pick for Randle and something


I suggested Randle, both '21 picks and any youngin named barrett, and taking on Wall's contract for the Rox pick.


I like the idea of grabbing Wall. I think Houston moves on from him no matter who they take with the 2nd pick. He just doesn't fit the timeline. Plus, I'm sure he is dying to get out of there. He's in a personal situation to where he needs to prove to the world again that he's still a great player, and I'm sure he wants to win too. No chance he wants to be part of a rebuild.

If we can put together a package for Wall, I'm all for it. Not sure what that package would look like, though. Either way we're not getting the #2 pick no matter what we offer them.
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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1499 » by EMG518 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:46 pm

Juco24 wrote:
-YogiBiz- wrote:If Cooper really is closer to 6'4", we can kiss any chance him falling to #19 good bye. The kids game is eerily similar to John Walls. Really fast and quick, good finisher, really good handler, elite vision, really good size for the position. Doesn't look like a shooter.


Only way he's a legit 6'3/6'4 is if he had a sudden growth spurt... I went back and looked at footage - he definitely wasn't 6'3 @ Auburn


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Re: 2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3 

Post#1500 » by dukeknicksirish » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:50 pm

7OnSeven wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:
ADeP7 wrote:

Page or 2 back. Someone mentioned taking on wall and rockets pick for Randle and something


I suggested Randle, both '21 picks and any youngin named barrett, and taking on Wall's contract for the Rox pick.


I like the idea of grabbing Wall. I think Houston moves on from him no matter who they take with the 2nd pick. He just doesn't fit the timeline. Plus, I'm sure he is dying to get out of there. He's in a personal situation to where he needs to prove to the world again that he's still a great player, and I'm sure he wants to win too. No chance he wants to be part of a rebuild.

If we can put together a package for Wall, I'm all for it. Not sure what that package would look like, though. Either way we're not getting the #2 pick no matter what we offer them.



Houston's GM said the team is open to trading the #2 pick for the right package as well.

If Houston comes calling and offers us Wall and Gordon and #2 for IQ/Frank/Obi/19/21/Dallas 23 , do you take it?

Could 3 way with Washington and have Wood sent to Washington for their first + Gafford + filler

Are those salaries worth taking on for the pick?

Would leave us with:

Wall/Luka
Green/RJ
Rj/Gordon
Randle/Knox
Mitch/Noel

Would give Houston clean slate on cap space and an OKC amount of 1st rounders to start their rebuild.

However, it totally kills our future FA signing potential. So essentially, is Jalen Green worth Wall & Gordons salaries?

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