Official Yankees Thread II (Alex Cora & AJ Hinch fired)

blueNorange · Post #1661 » by **blueNorange** » Wed Dec 4, 2019 8:58 pm

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he's been one of the better and more consistent pitchers in the game the past 2 seasons despite having bad defense .. and he's only 29.

he's very likely to have an uptick in his production, the numbers are all there.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1662 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Wed Dec 4, 2019 10:41 pm

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Queens is closer to North Jersey than Philly is. Next thing we'll hear is that the school system in Philly is better. FOH

GEOLINK · Post #1663 » by **GEOLINK** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 1:10 am

Papi_swav wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:A reason I believe why the Yankees have had this step back approach to signing the marquee free agents is because there's draft picks attached to signing.

They don't want to lose upcoming picks which will only hinder our farm system. Can't argue with that, they have to be picky in who they offer a contract over 6 years to.

I don't believe this. The MLB is not like the NBA or NFL where draft picks are mostly the end all be all. Draft picks in NBA and NFL is where you build teams, but the MLB there is other ways. Many players picked in the 1st round don't even make it to the big leagues in MLB. And we still have international signings or minor league trading etc.. A proven ACE pitcher with dominance in the playoffs, they need to 100% go after. Aces are not on the market every year and true aces are hard to come by. This is a once every couple of years thing.

The last thing the Yankees want is for the Astros to get any more draft picks much less theirs, if that's how the MLB free agency works when you sign a marquee player from their former team.

The landscape of draft picks in baseball has changed since the Astros tanked hard enough to draft themselves a team they've beat us with the past 2 out of the last 3 seasons in the post-season.

Papi_swav · Post #1664 » by **Papi_swav** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 1:42 am

GEOLINK wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:A reason I believe why the Yankees have had this step back approach to signing the marquee free agents is because there's draft picks attached to signing.

They don't want to lose upcoming picks which will only hinder our farm system. Can't argue with that, they have to be picky in who they offer a contract over 6 years to.

I don't believe this. The MLB is not like the NBA or NFL where draft picks are mostly the end all be all. Draft picks in NBA and NFL is where you build teams, but the MLB there is other ways. Many players picked in the 1st round don't even make it to the big leagues in MLB. And we still have international signings or minor league trading etc.. A proven ACE pitcher with dominance in the playoffs, they need to 100% go after. Aces are not on the market every year and true aces are hard to come by. This is a once every couple of years thing.

The last thing the Yankees want is for the Astros to get any more draft picks much less theirs, if that's how the MLB free agency works when you sign a marquee player from their former team.

The landscape of draft picks in baseball has changed since the Astros tanked hard enough to draft themselves a team they've beat us with the past 2 out of the last 3 seasons in the post-season.

Well half the guys in their core are international signings like Altuve , Gurriel and Alvarez ( who was traded for) etc... Most of the guys they got were via trade or FA signing. Cole, Verlander, Greinke were traded for. Brantley, Reddick and Chirinos were signed.

Correa and Bregman were #1 and #2 in the draft and from my understanding we're not drafting anywhere near the top of the draft. George Springer was #11 and again we are not drafting that high. Picks are cool but they're several ways to build a team and most of our core is young, our more important players are under 30 years old.

An Ace starter is the missing piece IMO and we've lacked that for years. That's ALWAYS been our downfall if you ask me. We've always had great offenses and solid to good bullpen but we can count on one hand how many times we've had a legit "ACE" type pitcher. Draft picks takes years to pan out if they ever do and this team is ready to compete now.

DowNY · Post #1665 » by **DowNY** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 3:32 am

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Crazy what a season & change does.
So much skepticism with the guy when he was on the Pirates. Now this.

GEOLINK · Post #1666 » by **GEOLINK** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 4:30 am

DowNY wrote:

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Crazy what a season & change does.
So much skepticism with the guy when he was on the Pirates. Now this.

I was on the "don't trade Andujar and Frazier" train two years ago too.

GEOLINK · Post #1667 » by **GEOLINK** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 4:34 am

SP is so important.

People say we would've won if the bats didn't go cold.

We would've won if we didn't tax our bullpen in the post-season. We overexposed our pen to the Astros hitters and they adjusted.

Had we have at least 2 SP that go could 7 innings we would've been money.

Davis19 · Post #1668 » by **Davis19** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 4:40 am

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Crazy what a season & change does.
So much skepticism with the guy when he was on the Pirates. Now this.

I was on the "don't trade Andujar and Frazier" two years ago too.

Houston got lucky big time with Verlander & Cole trade.
Their pitching staff "magic" may have something to do with that too.. Cheaters!!

Anyway, let's get Cole & either Madbum or Ryu.
Cole
Paxton
Tanaka
Madbum/Ryu
Severino

Trade Happ.

ccvle · Post #1669 » by **ccvle** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 5:09 am

Papi_swav wrote:

An Ace starter is the missing piece IMO and we've lacked that for years. That's ALWAYS been our downfall if you ask me. We've always had great offenses and solid to good bullpen but we can count on one hand how many times we've had a legit "ACE" type pitcher.

We have a deceiving offense that suck in the playoffs. We scored 2.6 runs in the 3 losses to boston last year. In 2017, we scored one run or less in FOUR games against the astros. On the other hand in 2019 playoffs, we held the two best offensive teams (twins and astros) to 2.5 run over 9 games. I'm not saying the pitching doesnt need to improve, but the lineup struggled much more. If you replace stanton with someone like Altuve or JD Martinez, I say we would have won three straight world series.

Papi_swav · Post #1670 » by **Papi_swav** » Thu Dec 5, 2019 10:52 pm

ccvle wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:

An Ace starter is the missing piece IMO and we've lacked that for years. That's ALWAYS been our downfall if you ask me. We've always had great offenses and solid to good bullpen but we can count on one hand how many times we've had a legit "ACE" type pitcher.

We have a deceiving offense that suck in the playoffs. We scored 2.6 runs in the 3 losses to boston last year. In 2017, we scored one run or less in FOUR games against the astros. On the other hand in 2019 playoffs, we held the two best offensive teams (twins and astros) to 2.5 run over 9 games. I'm not saying the pitching doesnt need to improve, but the lineup struggled much more. If you replace stanton with someone like Altuve or JD Martinez, I say we would have won three straight world series.

Well our pitching couldn't hang with the opposing teams pitchers clearly. Astros starters were way better than us and we had to rely on our bullpen too much and Red Sox pitchers were miles better than us 2 years ago. We 100% need an Ace and guys that can go 6 or 7 innings. I would definitely swap Stanton for Altuve in a heart beat. The thing is the Yankees value home runs over contact hitting. We need about 2 more DJ's in this lineup. Which is why I'm all in for going after Lindor and letting Didi walk but we don't have the assets for Lindor. We need contact hitters but we need an Ace more.

SARGO127 · Post #1671 » by **SARGO127** » Fri Dec 6, 2019 1:19 am

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GEOLINK · Post #1672 » by **GEOLINK** » Fri Dec 6, 2019 2:10 am

About damn time!

Marty McFly · Post #1673 » by **Marty McFly** » Fri Dec 6, 2019 2:39 am

Rich Rane wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:A reason I believe why the Yankees have had this step back approach to signing the marquee free agents is because there's draft picks attached to signing.

They don't want to lose upcoming picks which will only hinder our farm system. Can't argue with that, they have to be picky in who they offer a contract over 6 years to.

Draft picks are at least 2 years down the line if they get through the minors, no matter how good they are at the moment. The team is trying to contend now. Draft pick compensation should not be the reason why Hal/Cashman don't wanna offer long term contracts to pitchers.

didn't the yankees give up a draft pick to the angels for mark teixera, that ended up being mike trout ?

Post #1674 » by **Rich Rane** » Fri Dec 6, 2019 3:18 am

Marty McFly wrote:
Rich Rane wrote:
GEOLINK wrote:A reason I believe why the Yankees have had this step back approach to signing the marquee free agents is because there's draft picks attached to signing.

They don't want to lose upcoming picks which will only hinder our farm system. Can't argue with that, they have to be picky in who they offer a contract over 6 years to.

Draft picks are at least 2 years down the line if they get through the minors, no matter how good they are at the moment. The team is trying to contend now. Draft pick compensation should not be the reason why Hal/Cashman don't wanna offer long term contracts to pitchers.

didn't the yankees give up a draft pick to the angels for mark teixera, that ended up being mike trout ?

Yup. I still don't regret that though. I think the general feeling was George's time was coming up. Then you had the new stadium opening. There was also the uncertainty of the Core 4 and winning one with them still in tact. A World Series win and then that was it. Just never followed up Pettitte's retirement through free agency or prospects making the next step and not trading prospects along with AJ Burnett not pitching well in pinstripes. Posada's decline and retirement had good catchers, but on short contracts.

Post #1675 » by **Rich Rane** » Fri Dec 6, 2019 5:09 am

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DowNY · Post #1676 » by **DowNY** » Fri Dec 6, 2019 1:02 pm

GEOLINK wrote:SP is so important.

People say we would've won if the bats didn't go cold.

We would've won if we didn't tax our bullpen in the post-season. We overexposed our pen to the Astros hitters and they adjusted.

Had we have at least 2 SP that go could 7 innings we would've been money.

And if the Astros weren’t cheaters

GEOLINK · Post #1677 » by **GEOLINK** » Fri Dec 6, 2019 1:58 pm

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Dominican Mike Trout.

GEOLINK · Post #1678 » by **GEOLINK** » Fri Dec 6, 2019 3:13 pm

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F N 11 · Post #1679 » by **F N 11** » Fri Dec 6, 2019 4:01 pm

Lets get aggressive. We just a few legit starters. We can dominate.

Dave DaButcher · Post #1680 » by **Dave DaButcher** » Fri Dec 6, 2019 5:54 pm

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