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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1701 » by Meat » Fri May 30, 2025 2:34 pm

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spree8 wrote:If Thibs could incorporate all these adjustments into the regular season I’m fine with keeping him.

I got most of the adjustments I wanted these playoffs…

*Try a different starting lineup/Bring Hart off the bench
*Switch heavy defense
*Play Delon over Cam
*Throw 5 mins a game at Precious
*Play the bench more mins/go 10 deep
*Stagger lineups better (+JB or KAT with defenders)
*More 3pt FGA from KAT (this series is more than RS avg)
*Pickup Hali full court
*Even got a zone defense sighting

I’d prefer Deuce starting, but I’ll take what I can get. Also have to develop a consistent 2 man game between JB n KAT, because when we see flashes of it it’s nice. Can’t have 1 assist by your pg to your big over 4 games in the ECF.


That's exactly the problem though. He will only adjust if he is overwhelmingly forced to do it and not proactively by himself to improve his team's chances. If he had done all those things early in the season and postseason we likely beat the Pistons 4-1 and are up on the Pacers 3-2 or have already won the series. He had a team vastly more talented in round 1 and barely won in 6 close, hardfought games again Tobias Harris, Schroeder and Hardaway jr. and now he will lose in 6 games against an inferior Pacer squad. And some believe he has cemented his job. He hasn't. Saturday will be his last game as a knick Head coach.


that's my biggest gripe with him, he'll redline the starters and wont make a change until they're already gassed. Not just that it's the simplest of tactics, hell he's literally seeing his ops do it and is incapible of picking up on it.

harass the ball handler full court, use your bench to do it, tell them to go all out and save nothing back. tj, nemhard and Sheppard aint some group of studs, they just come in and plays 110% for 12 mins a game and it wears JB down, why not try to wear Hali down too?
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1702 » by HopelessKnick » Fri May 30, 2025 2:40 pm

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spree8 wrote:If Thibs could incorporate all these adjustments into the regular season I’m fine with keeping him.

I got most of the adjustments I wanted these playoffs…

*Try a different starting lineup/Bring Hart off the bench
*Switch heavy defense
*Play Delon over Cam
*Throw 5 mins a game at Precious
*Play the bench more mins/go 10 deep
*Stagger lineups better (+JB or KAT with defenders)
*More 3pt FGA from KAT (this series is more than RS avg)
*Pickup Hali full court
*Even got a zone defense sighting

I’d prefer Deuce starting, but I’ll take what I can get. Also have to develop a consistent 2 man game between JB n KAT, because when we see flashes of it it’s nice. Can’t have 1 assist by your pg to your big over 4 games in the ECF.


That's exactly the problem though. He will only adjust if he is overwhelmingly forced to do it and not proactively by himself to improve his team's chances. If he had done all those things early in the season and postseason we likely beat the Pistons 4-1 and are up on the Pacers 3-2 or have already won the series. He had a team vastly more talented in round 1 and barely won in 6 close, hardfought games again Tobias Harris, Schroeder and Hardaway jr. and now he will lose in 6 games against an inferior Pacer squad. And some believe he has cemented his job. He hasn't. Saturday will be his last game as a knick Head coach.


that's my biggest gripe with him, he'll redline the starters and wont make a change until they're already gassed. Not just that it's the simplest of tactics, hell he's literally seeing his ops do it and is incapible of picking up on it.

harass the ball handler full court, use your bench to do it, tell them to go all out and save nothing back. tj, nemhard and Sheppard aint some group of studs, they just come in and plays 110% for 12 mins a game and it wears JB down, why not try to wear Hali down too?


Well because Thibs' natural instinct tells him not to play more than 7 guys and you simply can't do it with 7. You have to play a 9-10 man rotation to do it effectively and he simply does not believe in it. Only when pressure by fans and media gets too high he does it....which in itself is a huge red flag.

And you are right.....applying pressure to Haliburton is the absolutely right tactic...he is not overly strong, quick or aggressive. You try to pressure him full court and it will wear the Pacers offense down and slow it down naturally. It's why he will be coaching his last game on saturday....
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1703 » by WaltFrazier » Fri May 30, 2025 2:48 pm

spree8 wrote:If Thibs could incorporate all these adjustments into the regular season I’m fine with keeping him.

I got most of the adjustments I wanted these playoffs…

*Try a different starting lineup/Bring Hart off the bench
*Switch heavy defense
*Play Delon over Cam
*Throw 5 mins a game at Precious
*Play the bench more mins/go 10 deep
*Stagger lineups better (+JB or KAT with defenders)
*More 3pt FGA from KAT (this series is more than RS avg)
*Pickup Hali full court
*Even got a zone defense sighting

I’d prefer Deuce starting, but I’ll take what I can get. Also have to develop a consistent 2 man game between JB n KAT, because when we see flashes of it it’s nice. Can’t have 1 assist by your pg to your big over 4 games in the ECF.

That's the key, do it all season. Next year the rookies from this year need to be worked in too. There'd be a lot of depth if those four got reasonable minutes
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1704 » by spree8 » Fri May 30, 2025 2:51 pm

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spree8 wrote:If Thibs could incorporate all these adjustments into the regular season I’m fine with keeping him.

I got most of the adjustments I wanted these playoffs…

*Try a different starting lineup/Bring Hart off the bench
*Switch heavy defense
*Play Delon over Cam
*Throw 5 mins a game at Precious
*Play the bench more mins/go 10 deep
*Stagger lineups better (+JB or KAT with defenders)
*More 3pt FGA from KAT (this series is more than RS avg)
*Pickup Hali full court
*Even got a zone defense sighting

I’d prefer Deuce starting, but I’ll take what I can get. Also have to develop a consistent 2 man game between JB n KAT, because when we see flashes of it it’s nice. Can’t have 1 assist by your pg to your big over 4 games in the ECF.


That's exactly the problem though. He will only adjust if he is overwhelmingly forced to do it and not proactively by himself to improve his team's chances. If he had done all those things early in the season and postseason we likely beat the Pistons 4-1 and are up on the Pacers 3-2 or have already won the series. He had a team vastly more talented in round 1 and barely won in 6 close, hardfought games again Tobias Harris, Schroeder and Hardaway jr. and now he will lose in 6 games against an inferior Pacer squad. And some believe he has cemented his job. He hasn't. Saturday will be his last game as a knick Head coach.



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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1705 » by Gravy » Fri May 30, 2025 3:01 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:We just saw Finch put Shannon jr in for the first time. Carislie started playing Tony Bradley out of nowhere. OKC’s coach just took Jaylin Williams out of the rotation after he played a bit against Denver. I feel like you guys don’t watch other teams. A lot of teams are making adjustments at the final hour.



Bro 1 small change compared to a laundry list of ground breaking changes from Thibs???

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Thibs even willing to make big changes in the playoffs just shows how great of a coach he is. Not afraid to make adjustments. Thats my coach!

They been wishing for him to get fired for 5 years as we keep getting further in the playoffs. Thibs beat their king Joe Mazzula and the great Kenny Atkinson they hyped up has never been to a conference finals.

The only criteria they have for a new coach is someone young...like Fizdale, Fisher and Isiah Thomas, 3 of the worst coaches we've ever had. Meanwhile 3 out of 4 coaches left in the playoffs are in their 50s and 60s. very unserious people
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1706 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri May 30, 2025 3:07 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:
spree8 wrote:

Bro 1 small change compared to a laundry list of ground breaking changes from Thibs???

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Thibs even willing to make big changes in the playoffs just shows how great of a coach he is. Not afraid to make adjustments. Thats my coach!

They been wishing for him to get fired for 5 years as we keep getting further in the playoffs. Thibs beat their king Joe Mazzula and the great Kenny Atkinson they hyped up has never been to a conference finals.

The only criteria they have for a new coach is someone young...like Fizdale, Fisher and Isiah Thomas, 3 of the worst coaches we've ever had. Meanwhile 3 out of 4 coaches left in the playoffs are in their 50s and 60s. very unserious people

Facts. Our youngest coaches have been terrible. So I’m not sure why people keep begging for one. Meanwhile Thibs won coach of the year with us and we just got to ecf, and he out coached Mazulla in the process. People are taking him for granted.
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1707 » by Meat » Fri May 30, 2025 3:25 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Image
Thibs even willing to make big changes in the playoffs just shows how great of a coach he is. Not afraid to make adjustments. Thats my coach!

They been wishing for him to get fired for 5 years as we keep getting further in the playoffs. Thibs beat their king Joe Mazzula and the great Kenny Atkinson they hyped up has never been to a conference finals.

The only criteria they have for a new coach is someone young...like Fizdale, Fisher and Isiah Thomas, 3 of the worst coaches we've ever had. Meanwhile 3 out of 4 coaches left in the playoffs are in their 50s and 60s. very unserious people

Facts. Our youngest coaches have been terrible. So I’m not sure why people keep begging for one. Meanwhile Thibs won coach of the year with us and we just got to ecf, and he out coached Mazulla in the process. People are taking him for granted.


goalposts have moved, he fine when the team is a team of randle, pretty good jb and some scrappers. He's a get to the conference finals level coach(not win), his track record shows that. There's 2 all nba starters, one being a top 7 player and 2 that can kinda be all stars, it's out of his depth

There's no shame, I love working for startups, but i bounce the second vc's come. Thibs is good for getting you off the ground, but he's not the guy that gets you to an IPO
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1708 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri May 30, 2025 3:34 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:
Gravy wrote:They been wishing for him to get fired for 5 years as we keep getting further in the playoffs. Thibs beat their king Joe Mazzula and the great Kenny Atkinson they hyped up has never been to a conference finals.

The only criteria they have for a new coach is someone young...like Fizdale, Fisher and Isiah Thomas, 3 of the worst coaches we've ever had. Meanwhile 3 out of 4 coaches left in the playoffs are in their 50s and 60s. very unserious people

Facts. Our youngest coaches have been terrible. So I’m not sure why people keep begging for one. Meanwhile Thibs won coach of the year with us and we just got to ecf, and he out coached Mazulla in the process. People are taking him for granted.


goalposts have moved, he fine when the team is a team of randle, pretty good jb and some scrappers. He's a get to the conference finals level coach(not win), his track record shows that. There's 2 all nba starters, one being a top 7 player and 2 that can kinda be all stars, it's out of his depth

There's no shame, I love working for startups, but i bounce the second vc's come. Thibs is good for getting you off the ground, but he's not the guy that gets you to an IPO

When has he had a roster in the past that should’ve won a championship?
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1709 » by HopelessKnick » Fri May 30, 2025 3:44 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
spree8 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:We just saw Finch put Shannon jr in for the first time. Carislie started playing Tony Bradley out of nowhere. OKC’s coach just took Jaylin Williams out of the rotation after he played a bit against Denver. I feel like you guys don’t watch other teams. A lot of teams are making adjustments at the final hour.



Bro 1 small change compared to a laundry list of ground breaking changes from Thibs???

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Thibs even willing to make big changes in the playoffs just shows how great of a coach he is. Not afraid to make adjustments. Thats my coach!


Enjoy your coach's final game tomorrow!
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1710 » by robillionaire » Fri May 30, 2025 3:47 pm

HopelessKnick wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
spree8 wrote:

Bro 1 small change compared to a laundry list of ground breaking changes from Thibs???

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Thibs even willing to make big changes in the playoffs just shows how great of a coach he is. Not afraid to make adjustments. Thats my coach!


Enjoy your coach's final game tomorrow!


Well according to you the season was over months ago when Brunson turned his ankle against LA you already quit at least let us try to enjoy the ride :lol:
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1711 » by Meat » Fri May 30, 2025 3:48 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Meat wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Facts. Our youngest coaches have been terrible. So I’m not sure why people keep begging for one. Meanwhile Thibs won coach of the year with us and we just got to ecf, and he out coached Mazulla in the process. People are taking him for granted.


goalposts have moved, he fine when the team is a team of randle, pretty good jb and some scrappers. He's a get to the conference finals level coach(not win), his track record shows that. There's 2 all nba starters, one being a top 7 player and 2 that can kinda be all stars, it's out of his depth

There's no shame, I love working for startups, but i bounce the second vc's come. Thibs is good for getting you off the ground, but he's not the guy that gets you to an IPO

When has he had a roster in the past that should’ve won a championship?

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12, when they were up with 12 with 1 min to go and rose was still in the game (why?)
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Post#1712 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri May 30, 2025 3:57 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:
Meat wrote:
goalposts have moved, he fine when the team is a team of randle, pretty good jb and some scrappers. He's a get to the conference finals level coach(not win), his track record shows that. There's 2 all nba starters, one being a top 7 player and 2 that can kinda be all stars, it's out of his depth

There's no shame, I love working for startups, but i bounce the second vc's come. Thibs is good for getting you off the ground, but he's not the guy that gets you to an IPO

When has he had a roster in the past that should’ve won a championship?

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12, when they were up with 12 with 1 min to go and rose was still in the game (why?)

You really think the bulls should’ve beaten Wade Bosh and Bron? Come on be fr.
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1713 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri May 30, 2025 4:06 pm

HopelessKnick wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
spree8 wrote:

Bro 1 small change compared to a laundry list of ground breaking changes from Thibs???

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Thibs even willing to make big changes in the playoffs just shows how great of a coach he is. Not afraid to make adjustments. Thats my coach!


Enjoy your coach's final game tomorrow!

:lol: Cmon don’t be like that
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1714 » by Meat » Fri May 30, 2025 4:14 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Meat wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:When has he had a roster in the past that should’ve won a championship?

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12, when they were up with 12 with 1 min to go and rose was still in the game (why?)

You really think the bulls should’ve beaten Wade Bosh and Bron? Come on be fr.


A good a roster as the Mavs that year and they beat em.
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Post#1715 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri May 30, 2025 4:26 pm

Thibs hasn't put coached anyone in these playoffs. All of his adjustments have been forced by the players themselves or foul trouble. Both of those things we have been screaming for ALL YEAR. Hart asked to be benched. Foul trouble forced Wright/Shamet in the game. Thibs didn't make those adjustments himself.

We struggled to beat Detroit in 6. Having only played one solid game. Poorly coached that entire series.

Poor shooting cost the Celtics that series and losing Tatum sealed their fate. It had nothing to do with coaching.

We were down bad in this series and foul trouble revealed that we indeed do have a bench that could have been helping make things easier the entire time. IOW...poor coaching.

It's a miracle we are pushing this series to a game six. It's a miracle we are even here to begin with. Thibs has not been the reason on any level.
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Re: Thibs needs to go 

Post#1716 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri May 30, 2025 4:42 pm

Meat wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Meat wrote:11
12, when they were up with 12 with 1 min to go and rose was still in the game (why?)

You really think the bulls should’ve beaten Wade Bosh and Bron? Come on be fr.


A good a roster as the Mavs that year and they beat em.

The Heat were the overwhelming favorites to win it all those two years. You’re the first person I’ve ever heard that said the bulls should’ve beaten those teams.
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Post#1717 » by Red Vines » Fri May 30, 2025 4:51 pm

Thibs had a good, long run, no reason to feel bad for him, I think we can appreciate him while acknowledging we're capable of playing much better basketball. He's not the guy to lead us into the future.
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Post#1718 » by Kampuchea » Fri May 30, 2025 5:00 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:Thibs hasn't put coached anyone in these playoffs. All of his adjustments have been forced by the players themselves or foul trouble. Both of those things we have been screaming for ALL YEAR. Hart asked to be benched. Foul trouble forced Wright/Shamet in the game. Thibs didn't make those adjustments himself.

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Post#1719 » by Jalen Bluntson » Fri May 30, 2025 5:05 pm

Kampuchea wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:Thibs hasn't put coached anyone in these playoffs. All of his adjustments have been forced by the players themselves or foul trouble. Both of those things we have been screaming for ALL YEAR. Hart asked to be benched. Foul trouble forced Wright/Shamet in the game. Thibs didn't make those adjustments himself.

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Thibs dominated Mazzulla


No he didn't. They shot poorly on wide open shots. Then they lost their best player. They even beat us without their best player. There was NOTHING Thibs did that won that series. Sheer luck.
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Post#1720 » by Meat » Fri May 30, 2025 5:07 pm

Red Vines wrote:Thibs had a good, long run, no reason to feel bad for him, I think we can appreciate him while acknowledging we're capable of playing much better basketball. He's not the guy to lead us into the future.


with tatum injured, it might be time to dip into the 2nd apron. OKC is a powerhouse but chet's not exactly built for reliability, it's prob time to strike.

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