Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce

[Clyde_Style]

Sadly it won’t matter one bit. People are profoundly ignorant of how politics work, even those who are engaged. Remember all of Congress always gets the blame when the Senate blocks legislation. Remember the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act that the Democrats passed and Senate couldn’t even be bothered to bring up for a vote or put out their own legislation? Yeah silence on that from everyone, but hey Joe Biden said “you ain’t black!”

It doesn’t matter man. Republicans are willing to sacrifice their lives and the lives of their families to trigger the Libs. All those brain dead right leaning voters in places like Kentucky, South Carolina, Missouri, Georgia, Alabama and the rest of those red states that should be voting out these Senators are going to see the R next to the name and punch their death sentence. Oh and on the left we have people who shall remain nameless who will continue to complain Corporate/Centrist/Establishment Democrats don’t do anything for middle and low income people despite passing an overwhelming number of legislation and bills like this one for example. It’s all a tornado of stupidity, ignorance and bull.

I'm with you. There's lot of misplaced faux outrage going on in lieu of basic appreciation of how things actually work. I saw several posting in here that Pelosi is wack and "everybody knows it" so I said please explain why she is wack. Crickets. I don't know man, but if people were really that plugged in to history they would balance out their appropriation of historical references for the purposes of scalp hunting and self-aggrandizement with a healthy dose of acknowledgment that trying to work inside a system as convoluted as congressional politics is going to be a slog for any well-meaning politician whether you label them left, progressive or centrist. Personally, I think Pelosi has been a strong oppositional force to Trump and he's obviously quite intimidated by her. We're dealing with a system whose checks and balances are being hammered at by a criminal attorney general on behalf of a Mussolini cartoon and she's thrown down with them time and again. But all we hear is she's wack.

Because people treat propaganda and talking points as facts. They don’t ever question who it’s coming from or why. That’s why depending on who you ask Nancy Pelosi is both a extremist, radical leftist who’s going to implement socialism(like that’s a bad thing) and is a Republican light who’s hates the squad and is keeping congress from passing any Progressive legislation. I mean it’s really insane if you think about it and just shows how stupid everything is. The truth is she’s one of the most successful Speakers of the House, helped lead Democrats to historic midterm results and passed landmark legislation in the ACA which is not an easy thing to do when caucus encompasses many political ideologies. And she absolutely could have caved to Trump, especially when Democrats were in the minority but she didn’t and Trump absolutely hates her. I understand disliking her on style, but the hate she gets is not rooted in any type of objective reasoning, especially compared to previous speakers of the House.

She is a very skilled speaker of the house. Seems her skill and experience is undervalued in an age when people of various political persuasions opt for whatever is shiny and new. Not only is she very smart and elite in her grasp of procedural politics, she's a badass and I respect her. I get goosebumps every time I think of this:



That's the kind of savage I like

[HarthorneWingo]

The RNC Convention doesn't look bad tbh. I don't like any of these guys and I def ain't watching this. But they are sticking to their plan and direction. It will energize Trump's base and help their turnout (I don't see any of their base staying home on election night).

Black Voters:
Tim Scott - one of the few black senators
Alice Johnson - African American who had life in prison, but was pardoned by Trump.

Youth:
- Dana White - UFC President. One of the first sports to launch back during the pandemic. Many view him as a hero lol
- Charlie Kirk - annoying as hell, but he has a pretty big youth following. He actually was with the media on hating on the Sandman kid. So it will be funny what he says if that is brought up.

Guys who will help get voters worried about safety and "law and order":
- Ann Dorn, widow of retired police captain David Dorn. David Dorn was the man who was shot dead during the protests.
- Andrew Pollack - activists that wants to increase police in schools.
- Rudy Giuliani

Anti-Lockdown, Covid overdone peeps:
Tanya Weinreis - Small business owner saved by "Trump's relief bill"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/republican-national-convention-schedule-2020-200822162053624.html

It's basically going to be run like a beauty pageant with Trump both the pre-ordained winner AND the MC for the week ... which will be LIVE! What could go wrong? I'll tell you what, I'm going to watch hoping to catch a train wreck.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/22/us/politics/republican-convention-preview.html

Republicans Rush to Finalize Convention (‘Apprentice’ Producers Are Helping)
The party is promising a more traditional in-person spectacle with President Trump speaking every night. Coming into this weekend, major TV networks had only a foggy idea of what to expect.

*****

Now it’s the Republicans’ turn in the prime-time spotlight — and the party led by a former reality TV star is rushing to measure up.

After scrapping plans for a full-bore, in-person spectacle in Charlotte, N.C., and Jacksonville, Fla., because of the coronavirus crisis, Republicans are working to finalize a week’s worth of events that can match the production put on for the Democratic nominee, Joseph R. Biden Jr., while meeting the exacting — and frequently shifting — standards of President Trump.

Two producers of “The Apprentice,” where Mr. Trump rose to TV stardom, are involved in the planning. Sadoux Kim, a longtime deputy to the “Apprentice” creator Mark Burnett, is a lead consultant on the production. Mr. Kim once served as a Miss Universe judge when Mr. Trump owned the pageant. Chuck LaBella, a former NBC entertainment executive who helped produce “The Comedy Central Roast of Donald Trump,” is also on the payroll.

Party officials say their convention — during which Mr. Trump is expected to speak every night in the 10 p.m. hour — will ultimately surpass the Democrats’ telethon-like show, which the president and his allies have repeatedly called “dark,” depressing and thin on policy proposals. “We’re going to have more of it live than what they did,” Mr. Trump told Fox News on Thursday. “I think it’s pretty boring when you do tapes.”

Exactly what that looks like remains an open question.

As Monday’s kickoff looms, Republican officials were still deciding what segments to air live and what would be taped in advance. Typically, convention broadcasts require weeks of highly technical preparation. By the weekend, producers at the major TV networks had only a foggy idea of what to expect, although Republicans provided a more detailed rundown on Saturday evening. Still, broadcasters will head into the week with some unknowns.

“We’re treating this as breaking news,” Steve Scully, the political editor at C-SPAN, said in an interview. “Once we know who’s speaking where and when, we’ll send cameras.”

Republicans involved in the planning admit that anxiety began to set in two weeks ago. But on Saturday, they said that they were now confident that a fully realized lineup was in place — and that in contrast to the Democrats’ virtual event, voters could expect something more akin to a regular convention, with a focus on live onstage moments featuring Mr. Trump, whom aides described as the week’s “talent in chief.”

-more-

[Pointgod]

I'm with you. There's lot of misplaced faux outrage going on in lieu of basic appreciation of how things actually work. I saw several posting in here that Pelosi is wack and "everybody knows it" so I said please explain why she is wack. Crickets. I don't know man, but if people were really that plugged in to history they would balance out their appropriation of historical references for the purposes of scalp hunting and self-aggrandizement with a healthy dose of acknowledgment that trying to work inside a system as convoluted as congressional politics is going to be a slog for any well-meaning politician whether you label them left, progressive or centrist. Personally, I think Pelosi has been a strong oppositional force to Trump and he's obviously quite intimidated by her. We're dealing with a system whose checks and balances are being hammered at by a criminal attorney general on behalf of a Mussolini cartoon and she's thrown down with them time and again. But all we hear is she's wack.

I didn't reply, because we were literally talking about how she was flaunting her 20 grand refrigerators and gourmet ice-cream in a middle of a pandemic. And her breaking her golden rule and not endorsing an incumbent in Markey, a Green New Deal backer, as she watches her home state burn.

That means you don't like her maybe, but citing her showing James Corden her ice cream stash as your reason is pretty damn petty. So what if she was standing in front of two big gleaming fridges. She's supposed to put on a potato sack and pretend she doesn't have money? You think every leftist is a pauper? That you are actually pushing this as a reason when the right wingers have adopted this exact item as a campaign meme is again an example of how leftists are so easy to manipulate into pushing the right's attack agenda.

And if you're going to crucify her for Markey, she did endorse AOC, Omar and Tlaib. She's now your enemy because she didn't endorse every one of your choices. If she endorse every encumbent then you'd find a reason to say she's too conventional. And let's not spin this into Kennedy being a devil and Markey a saint. Markey is a good guy and I'd vote for him. His campaign video was on fire and fantastic. If anybody says Kennedy is a corporate slimeball and not acceptable to the left, because he's not Markey, then that's just sad. Kennedy is one of the greatest champions of environmental causes in politics today. He's definitely more left than the majority of the house.

Do you even know the back story of Pelosi's relationship with Kennedy?

She's had a working relationship with Markey for 40 years, but she is particularly close to Kennedy who worked hard to help other candidates get elected in the 2018 cycle. And it is part of Pelosi's job to get other Democrats elected, not just her cronies, but to recapture majorities and Kennedy and Markey were basically in a dead heat and Pelosi chose the guy she believes is a big part of the future of the party for good reason, the guy who has been instrumental in supporting the campaigns of other democrats and who is 39, not 73 and thus the guy with a career she wants to keep on track and progressing.

And Markey played hard and lost. He tried to tar and feather Kennedy with his family legacy by citing JFK in his ad. I thought it was brilliant actually. A terrific job, but when you play with fire you don't always get what you want.

However, if you choose to continue to be outraged over this, then this is what Markey himself said:

Pelosi “is an effective leader who has shattered glass ceilings throughout her career,” adding, “any candidate would be proud to have her endorsement. I congratulate Joe Kennedy on securing her support.”

To me, this Markey outrage is another example of leftists melting down over not getting exactly what they want every single time. She endorsed almost every one of your guys, but when she doesn't pick just one of them she's completely wack. No she's not. She had very good reasons to pick Kennedy and it was not because of some idiotic drivel that she is a corporatist who wants to crush the soul of a leftist revival. That's not true and it is irresponsible to claim that is her reason. She chose Kennedy because she believes in him, works very closely with him, she sees him as a key part of the future party and Kennedy is definitely a liberal. Kennedy and Markey are both good guys so let's cut the BS that one is perfect and the other is a disaster.

Pelosi has stood up her ground with the worst possible president imaginable and done a good job at it. That is valuable right now and if you can't credit it her for anything, at least realize she's done that better than many people in her position would have done. And if anyone thinks she caved on the first relief package then you don't understand how awful the situation we're in with this White House. She opposed the slush fund and as soon as the bill was passed Trump fired the people responsible for investigative oversight to monitor their disbursements. Pelosi had to eat that in order to get checks and extended unemployment into peoples' mailboxes. She's in a bind and doing the best she can which IMO has often been a strong oppositional force to Trump which is commendable.

The Markey thing is an example of what I talk about people being ignorant. Pelosi always endorses incumbents in CONGRESS, Ed Markey is in the SENATE. Joe Kennedy is a Congressman running for Senate so by logically I could see how she could support someone who’s in her caucus, especially if he loses in the Primary. Plus I have no idea of the relationship that she has with Markey. Now the interesting part will be who she supports when AOC challenges Schumer, but I can definitely see an exception to be made because her and Schumer have a very close working relationship. I’d need to see other cases of a Congress person challenging a Senator where she didn’t support the Congress person before determining if she has it out for Markey. But at the end of the day this is how politics are played. I’m 100% sure AOC isn’t supporting a Primary challenger to Bernie who’s coming out of the Congress.

[Clyde_Style]

The RNC Convention doesn't look bad tbh. I don't like any of these guys and I def ain't watching this. But they are sticking to their plan and direction. It will energize Trump's base and help their turnout (I don't see any of their base staying home on election night).

Black Voters:
Tim Scott - one of the few black senators
Alice Johnson - African American who had life in prison, but was pardoned by Trump.

Youth:
- Dana White - UFC President. One of the first sports to launch back during the pandemic. Many view him as a hero lol
- Charlie Kirk - annoying as hell, but he has a pretty big youth following. He actually was with the media on hating on the Sandman kid. So it will be funny what he says if that is brought up.

Guys who will help get voters worried about safety and "law and order":
- Ann Dorn, widow of retired police captain David Dorn. David Dorn was the man who was shot dead during the protests.
- Andrew Pollack - activists that wants to increase police in schools.
- Rudy Giuliani

Anti-Lockdown, Covid overdone peeps:
Tanya Weinreis - Small business owner saved by "Trump's relief bill"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/republican-national-convention-schedule-2020-200822162053624.html

It's basically going to be run like a beauty pageant with Trump both the pre-ordained winner AND the MC for the week ... which will be LIVE! What could go wrong? I'll tell you what, I'm going to watch hoping to catch a train wreck.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/22/us/politics/republican-convention-preview.html

Republicans Rush to Finalize Convention (‘Apprentice’ Producers Are Helping)
The party is promising a more traditional in-person spectacle with President Trump speaking every night. Coming into this weekend, major TV networks had only a foggy idea of what to expect.

*****

Now it’s the Republicans’ turn in the prime-time spotlight — and the party led by a former reality TV star is rushing to measure up.

After scrapping plans for a full-bore, in-person spectacle in Charlotte, N.C., and Jacksonville, Fla., because of the coronavirus crisis, Republicans are working to finalize a week’s worth of events that can match the production put on for the Democratic nominee, Joseph R. Biden Jr., while meeting the exacting — and frequently shifting — standards of President Trump.

Two producers of “The Apprentice,” where Mr. Trump rose to TV stardom, are involved in the planning. Sadoux Kim, a longtime deputy to the “Apprentice” creator Mark Burnett, is a lead consultant on the production. Mr. Kim once served as a Miss Universe judge when Mr. Trump owned the pageant. Chuck LaBella, a former NBC entertainment executive who helped produce “The Comedy Central Roast of Donald Trump,” is also on the payroll.

Party officials say their convention — during which Mr. Trump is expected to speak every night in the 10 p.m. hour — will ultimately surpass the Democrats’ telethon-like show, which the president and his allies have repeatedly called “dark,” depressing and thin on policy proposals. “We’re going to have more of it live than what they did,” Mr. Trump told Fox News on Thursday. “I think it’s pretty boring when you do tapes.”

Exactly what that looks like remains an open question.

As Monday’s kickoff looms, Republican officials were still deciding what segments to air live and what would be taped in advance. Typically, convention broadcasts require weeks of highly technical preparation. By the weekend, producers at the major TV networks had only a foggy idea of what to expect, although Republicans provided a more detailed rundown on Saturday evening. Still, broadcasters will head into the week with some unknowns.

“We’re treating this as breaking news,” Steve Scully, the political editor at C-SPAN, said in an interview. “Once we know who’s speaking where and when, we’ll send cameras.”

Republicans involved in the planning admit that anxiety began to set in two weeks ago. But on Saturday, they said that they were now confident that a fully realized lineup was in place — and that in contrast to the Democrats’ virtual event, voters could expect something more akin to a regular convention, with a focus on live onstage moments featuring Mr. Trump, whom aides described as the week’s “talent in chief.”

-more-

It's not like we should expect anything else from Trump, so when I saw he wants to be the headliner each of the 4 nights I thought "but of course he does"

and that in a nutshell is the terror of Trump, because for too many Americans this level of vanity seems normal. That he represents the collapse of politics into the basest form of self-idolatry is not the worst part though. The most frightening aspect of this is how many Americans are willing to roll out the red carpet not just for a dictator, but for an epically stupid one and consent to the presidency becoming a blooper reel for a fascist narcissist

but as you're saying it will be a car wreck. So I approve his plan. Go for it Donald. What have you got to lose?

[Clyde_Style]

I didn't reply, because we were literally talking about how she was flaunting her 20 grand refrigerators and gourmet ice-cream in a middle of a pandemic. And her breaking her golden rule and not endorsing an incumbent in Markey, a Green New Deal backer, as she watches her home state burn.

That means you don't like her maybe, but citing her showing James Corden her ice cream stash as your reason is pretty damn petty. So what if she was standing in front of two big gleaming fridges. She's supposed to put on a potato sack and pretend she doesn't have money? You think every leftist is a pauper? That you are actually pushing this as a reason when the right wingers have adopted this exact item as a campaign meme is again an example of how leftists are so easy to manipulate into pushing the right's attack agenda.

And if you're going to crucify her for Markey, she did endorse AOC, Omar and Tlaib. She's now your enemy because she didn't endorse every one of your choices. If she endorse every encumbent then you'd find a reason to say she's too conventional. And let's not spin this into Kennedy being a devil and Markey a saint. Markey is a good guy and I'd vote for him. His campaign video was on fire and fantastic. If anybody says Kennedy is a corporate slimeball and not acceptable to the left, because he's not Markey, then that's just sad. Kennedy is one of the greatest champions of environmental causes in politics today. He's definitely more left than the majority of the house.

Do you even know the back story of Pelosi's relationship with Kennedy?

She's had a working relationship with Markey for 40 years, but she is particularly close to Kennedy who worked hard to help other candidates get elected in the 2018 cycle. And it is part of Pelosi's job to get other Democrats elected, not just her cronies, but to recapture majorities and Kennedy and Markey were basically in a dead heat and Pelosi chose the guy she believes is a big part of the future of the party for good reason, the guy who has been instrumental in supporting the campaigns of other democrats and who is 39, not 73 and thus the guy with a career she wants to keep on track and progressing.

And Markey played hard and lost. He tried to tar and feather Kennedy with his family legacy by citing JFK in his ad. I thought it was brilliant actually. A terrific job, but when you play with fire you don't always get what you want.

However, if you choose to continue to be outraged over this, then this is what Markey himself said:

Pelosi “is an effective leader who has shattered glass ceilings throughout her career,” adding, “any candidate would be proud to have her endorsement. I congratulate Joe Kennedy on securing her support.”

To me, this Markey outrage is another example of leftists melting down over not getting exactly what they want every single time. She endorsed almost every one of your guys, but when she doesn't pick just one of them she's completely wack. No she's not. She had very good reasons to pick Kennedy and it was not because of some idiotic drivel that she is a corporatist who wants to crush the soul of a leftist revival. That's not true and it is irresponsible to claim that is her reason. She chose Kennedy because she believes in him, works very closely with him, she sees him as a key part of the future party and Kennedy is definitely a liberal. Kennedy and Markey are both good guys so let's cut the BS that one is perfect and the other is a disaster.

Pelosi has stood up her ground with the worst possible president imaginable and done a good job at it. That is valuable right now and if you can't credit it her for anything, at least realize she's done that better than many people in her position would have done. And if anyone thinks she caved on the first relief package then you don't understand how awful the situation we're in with this White House. She opposed the slush fund and as soon as the bill was passed Trump fired the people responsible for investigative oversight to monitor their disbursements. Pelosi had to eat that in order to get checks and extended unemployment into peoples' mailboxes. She's in a bind and doing the best she can which IMO has often been a strong oppositional force to Trump which is commendable.

The Markey thing is an example of what I talk about people being ignorant. Pelosi always endorses incumbents in CONGRESS, Ed Markey is in the SENATE. Joe Kennedy is a Congressman running for Senate so by logically I could see how she could support someone who’s in her caucus, especially if he loses in the Primary. Plus I have no idea of the relationship that she has with Markey. Now the interesting part will be who she supports when AOC challenges Schumer, but I can definitely see an exception to be made because her and Schumer have a very close working relationship. I’d need to see other cases of a Congress person challenging a Senator where she didn’t support the Congress person before determining if she has it out for Markey. But at the end of the day this is how politics are played. I’m 100% sure AOC isn’t supporting a Primary challenger to Bernie who’s coming out of the Congress.

Correct.

Blowtorching Pelosi for not following protocol is pretty stupid. It still probably shocked some people on the Hill. And it may have made Schumer squirm. All of which puts it more in the iconoclast column of the ledger than business as usual.

And your points are excellent because it really highlights the hypocrisy of AOC turning it into clickbait. Now I'm not really attacking her for it, but she did do it and it was click bait and it simply was inaccurate. But when fans usually are monkey see, monkey do and AOC was clearly playing to her fans, not speaking truthfully. But that's politics, right? So let's cut the bull that AOC is not a politican now too. Mark my words, some of her fans will burn their AOC fan club cards in the future too. That's the nature of this kind of cultish BS.

[HarthorneWingo]

The RNC Convention doesn't look bad tbh. I don't like any of these guys and I def ain't watching this. But they are sticking to their plan and direction. It will energize Trump's base and help their turnout (I don't see any of their base staying home on election night).

Black Voters:
Tim Scott - one of the few black senators
Alice Johnson - African American who had life in prison, but was pardoned by Trump.

Youth:
- Dana White - UFC President. One of the first sports to launch back during the pandemic. Many view him as a hero lol
- Charlie Kirk - annoying as hell, but he has a pretty big youth following. He actually was with the media on hating on the Sandman kid. So it will be funny what he says if that is brought up.

Guys who will help get voters worried about safety and "law and order":
- Ann Dorn, widow of retired police captain David Dorn. David Dorn was the man who was shot dead during the protests.
- Andrew Pollack - activists that wants to increase police in schools.
- Rudy Giuliani

Anti-Lockdown, Covid overdone peeps:
Tanya Weinreis - Small business owner saved by "Trump's relief bill"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/republican-national-convention-schedule-2020-200822162053624.html

It's basically going to be run like a beauty pageant with Trump both the pre-ordained winner AND the MC for the week ... which will be LIVE! What could go wrong? I'll tell you what, I'm going to watch hoping to catch a train wreck.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/22/us/politics/republican-convention-preview.html

Republicans Rush to Finalize Convention (‘Apprentice’ Producers Are Helping)
The party is promising a more traditional in-person spectacle with President Trump speaking every night. Coming into this weekend, major TV networks had only a foggy idea of what to expect.

*****

Now it’s the Republicans’ turn in the prime-time spotlight — and the party led by a former reality TV star is rushing to measure up.

After scrapping plans for a full-bore, in-person spectacle in Charlotte, N.C., and Jacksonville, Fla., because of the coronavirus crisis, Republicans are working to finalize a week’s worth of events that can match the production put on for the Democratic nominee, Joseph R. Biden Jr., while meeting the exacting — and frequently shifting — standards of President Trump.

Two producers of “The Apprentice,” where Mr. Trump rose to TV stardom, are involved in the planning. Sadoux Kim, a longtime deputy to the “Apprentice” creator Mark Burnett, is a lead consultant on the production. Mr. Kim once served as a Miss Universe judge when Mr. Trump owned the pageant. Chuck LaBella, a former NBC entertainment executive who helped produce “The Comedy Central Roast of Donald Trump,” is also on the payroll.

Party officials say their convention — during which Mr. Trump is expected to speak every night in the 10 p.m. hour — will ultimately surpass the Democrats’ telethon-like show, which the president and his allies have repeatedly called “dark,” depressing and thin on policy proposals. “We’re going to have more of it live than what they did,” Mr. Trump told Fox News on Thursday. “I think it’s pretty boring when you do tapes.”

Exactly what that looks like remains an open question.

As Monday’s kickoff looms, Republican officials were still deciding what segments to air live and what would be taped in advance. Typically, convention broadcasts require weeks of highly technical preparation. By the weekend, producers at the major TV networks had only a foggy idea of what to expect, although Republicans provided a more detailed rundown on Saturday evening. Still, broadcasters will head into the week with some unknowns.

“We’re treating this as breaking news,” Steve Scully, the political editor at C-SPAN, said in an interview. “Once we know who’s speaking where and when, we’ll send cameras.”

Republicans involved in the planning admit that anxiety began to set in two weeks ago. But on Saturday, they said that they were now confident that a fully realized lineup was in place — and that in contrast to the Democrats’ virtual event, voters could expect something more akin to a regular convention, with a focus on live onstage moments featuring Mr. Trump, whom aides described as the week’s “talent in chief.”

-more-

It's not like we should expect anything else from Trump, so when I saw he wants to be the headliner each of the 4 nights I thought "but of course he does"

and that in a nutshell is the terror of Trump, because for too many Americans this level of vanity seems normal. That he represents the collapse of politics into the basest form of self-idolatry is not the worst part though. The most frightening aspect of this is how many Americans are willing to roll out the red carpet not just for a dictator, but for an epically stupid one and consent to the presidency becoming a blooper reel for a fascist narcissist

but as you're saying it will be a car wreck. So I approve his plan. Go for it Donald. What have you got to lose?

It's Donald's show so the more his has the mic, the more he'll go off script, and off we go. He can't help himself from saying the most batshyt crazy things imaginable.

Frank Bruni, op-ed writer for the Times, wrote this piece how we need to run up the score ... which is what Sam Seder and I've been saying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/22/opinion/sunday/trump-cheat-biden-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

[Clyde_Style]

It's basically going to be run like a beauty pageant with Trump both the pre-ordained winner AND the MC for the week ... which will be LIVE! What could go wrong? I'll tell you what, I'm going to watch hoping to catch a train wreck.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/22/us/politics/republican-convention-preview.html

It's not like we should expect anything else from Trump, so when I saw he wants to be the headliner each of the 4 nights I thought "but of course he does"

and that in a nutshell is the terror of Trump, because for too many Americans this level of vanity seems normal. That he represents the collapse of politics into the basest form of self-idolatry is not the worst part though. The most frightening aspect of this is how many Americans are willing to roll out the red carpet not just for a dictator, but for an epically stupid one and consent to the presidency becoming a blooper reel for a fascist narcissist

but as you're saying it will be a car wreck. So I approve his plan. Go for it Donald. What have you got to lose?

It's Donald's show so the more his has the mic, the more he'll go off script, and off we go. He can't help himself from saying the most batshyt crazy things imaginable.

Frank Bruni, op-ed writer for the Times, wrote this piece how we need to run up the score ... which is what Sam Seder and I've been saying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/22/opinion/sunday/trump-cheat-biden-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Waiting for the Hydroxy-thingamajig moment

We have to beat him by 10-20 points. 20 is actually possible. I'm guesing a 10 point spread probably gets you over 350 electorates, but a 20 point spread would be over 400 electorates. That would be massive. It is possible. So much more is going to go wrong for Trump in the next 2 plus months. So much more crime scandals and arrests and stupidity to come

and now that you've seen Joe give a brilliant convention speech you may understand why I think he will destroy Trump in the debates. Just the Russian bounty thing alone could be worth an extra 2% points in this election. Trump has no answer for this

[Pointgod]

The RNC Convention doesn't look bad tbh. I don't like any of these guys and I def ain't watching this. But they are sticking to their plan and direction. It will energize Trump's base and help their turnout (I don't see any of their base staying home on election night).

Black Voters:
Tim Scott - one of the few black senators
Alice Johnson - African American who had life in prison, but was pardoned by Trump.

Youth:
- Dana White - UFC President. One of the first sports to launch back during the pandemic. Many view him as a hero lol
- Charlie Kirk - annoying as hell, but he has a pretty big youth following. He actually was with the media on hating on the Sandman kid. So it will be funny what he says if that is brought up.

Guys who will help get voters worried about safety and "law and order":
- Ann Dorn, widow of retired police captain David Dorn. David Dorn was the man who was shot dead during the protests.
- Andrew Pollack - activists that wants to increase police in schools.
- Rudy Giuliani

Anti-Lockdown, Covid overdone peeps:
Tanya Weinreis - Small business owner saved by "Trump's relief bill"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/republican-national-convention-schedule-2020-200822162053624.html

Doesn’t look bad? That’s a **** dumpster fire of people that don’t inspire anything. With all due respect to Alice Johnson and Ann Dorn, Trump only pardoned one because of Kim Kardashian and none of Trump’s policies would have saved the life of David Dorn because they don’t address the underlying problem. Tim Scott is only up there because he’s literally the only Republican “black” in Congress. And must I remind you Rudy Giuliani is under criminal investigation?

Let’s compare it to the DNC who had past Presidents, Secretaries of State, Secretaries of Defense (Republican too), national figures in the Party like Bernie and Elizabeth Warren also everyone who ran against Biden in the Primary (except Castro). Everyone that ran against Trump in the Primary hates his guts and some of them are Senators and one even works for him! Moscow Mitch can’t even be bothered with the **** show. DNC actually showed a unified version of America.

Trump’s problem is not getting out his base, it’s expanding his base. No amount of cheating is going to get you a win with only 35% of support behind you. I don’t think the bar needs to be lowered for the Republican convention but gotta call a spade a spade.

[Clyde_Style]

The RNC Convention doesn't look bad tbh. I don't like any of these guys and I def ain't watching this. But they are sticking to their plan and direction. It will energize Trump's base and help their turnout (I don't see any of their base staying home on election night).

Black Voters:
Tim Scott - one of the few black senators
Alice Johnson - African American who had life in prison, but was pardoned by Trump.

Youth:
- Dana White - UFC President. One of the first sports to launch back during the pandemic. Many view him as a hero lol
- Charlie Kirk - annoying as hell, but he has a pretty big youth following. He actually was with the media on hating on the Sandman kid. So it will be funny what he says if that is brought up.

Guys who will help get voters worried about safety and "law and order":
- Ann Dorn, widow of retired police captain David Dorn. David Dorn was the man who was shot dead during the protests.
- Andrew Pollack - activists that wants to increase police in schools.
- Rudy Giuliani

Anti-Lockdown, Covid overdone peeps:
Tanya Weinreis - Small business owner saved by "Trump's relief bill"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/republican-national-convention-schedule-2020-200822162053624.html

Doesn’t look bad? That’s a **** dumpster fire of people that don’t inspire anything. With all due respect to Alice Johnson and Ann Dorn, Trump only pardoned one because of Kim Kardashian and none of Trump’s policies would have saved the life of David Dorn because they don’t address the underlying problem. Tim Scott is only up there because he’s literally the only Republican “black” in Congress. And must I remind you Rudy Giuliani is under criminal investigation?

Let’s compare it to the DNC who had past Presidents, Secretaries of State, Secretaries of Defense (Republican too), national figures in the Party like Bernie and Elizabeth Warren also everyone who ran against Biden in the Primary (except Castro). Everyone that ran against Trump in the Primary hates his guts and some of them are Senators and one even works for him! Moscow Mitch can’t even be bothered with the **** show. DNC actually showed a unified version of America.

Trump’s problem is not getting out his base, it’s expanding his base. No amount of cheating is going to get you a win with only 35% of support behind you. I don’t think the bar needs to be lowered for the Republican convention but gotta call a spade a spade.

Yeah, looks like a carnival line-up to me. Rudy? OMIGOD that's going to be special

Oh, and F Dana White. I think he's brilliant at running the UFC, but he can suck it. I don't think we have too much to worry about with the meathead swing vote

[Pointgod]

It's not like we should expect anything else from Trump, so when I saw he wants to be the headliner each of the 4 nights I thought "but of course he does"

and that in a nutshell is the terror of Trump, because for too many Americans this level of vanity seems normal. That he represents the collapse of politics into the basest form of self-idolatry is not the worst part though. The most frightening aspect of this is how many Americans are willing to roll out the red carpet not just for a dictator, but for an epically stupid one and consent to the presidency becoming a blooper reel for a fascist narcissist

but as you're saying it will be a car wreck. So I approve his plan. Go for it Donald. What have you got to lose?

It's Donald's show so the more his has the mic, the more he'll go off script, and off we go. He can't help himself from saying the most batshyt crazy things imaginable.

Frank Bruni, op-ed writer for the Times, wrote this piece how we need to run up the score ... which is what Sam Seder and I've been saying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/22/opinion/sunday/trump-cheat-biden-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Waiting for the Hydroxy-thingamajig moment

We have to beat him by 10-20 points. 20 is actually possible. I'm guesing a 10 point spread probably gets you over 350 electorates, but a 20 point spread would be over 400 electorates. That would be massive. It is possible. So much more is going to go wrong for Trump in the next 2 plus months. So much more crime scandals and arrests and stupidity to come

and now that you've seen Joe give a brilliant convention speech you may understand why I think he will destroy Trump in the debates. Just the Russian bounty thing alone could be worth an extra 2% points in this election. Trump has no answer for this

20 points is not possible. You have 35% of the country brainwashed by Fox News and you have a large percentage of the country that’s completely apathetic.

I think the absolute best outcome is a slight increase from the historic midterm votes.
Democrats: 59,525,244 (53.2% of total popular vote)
Republicans: 50,516,570 (45.1%)

If Democrats can increase that spread 2 to 3 points it’s going to absolutely be huge. Think about it, Hillary only had 3% in the popular vote. If she’d had these same margins as the midterms Democrats could have taken the Senate.

[Clyde_Style]

It's Donald's show so the more his has the mic, the more he'll go off script, and off we go. He can't help himself from saying the most batshyt crazy things imaginable.

Frank Bruni, op-ed writer for the Times, wrote this piece how we need to run up the score ... which is what Sam Seder and I've been saying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/22/opinion/sunday/trump-cheat-biden-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Waiting for the Hydroxy-thingamajig moment

We have to beat him by 10-20 points. 20 is actually possible. I'm guesing a 10 point spread probably gets you over 350 electorates, but a 20 point spread would be over 400 electorates. That would be massive. It is possible. So much more is going to go wrong for Trump in the next 2 plus months. So much more crime scandals and arrests and stupidity to come

and now that you've seen Joe give a brilliant convention speech you may understand why I think he will destroy Trump in the debates. Just the Russian bounty thing alone could be worth an extra 2% points in this election. Trump has no answer for this

20 points is not possible. You have 35% of the country brainwashed by Fox News and you have a large percentage of the country that’s completely apathetic.

I think the absolute best outcome is a slight increase from the historic midterm votes.
Democrats: 59,525,244 (53.2% of total popular vote)
Republicans: 50,516,570 (45.1%)

If Democrats can increase that spread 2 to 3 points it’s going to absolutely be huge. Think about it, Hillary only had 3% in the popular vote. If she’d had these same margins as the midterms Democrats could have taken the Senate.

well, 20 would be 58/38 (allowing for 2% buffer) which is a 5 point swing from the midterm percentages so I think it is possible as the ranks of Republicans coming out in support of Biden is now a deluge and so many worse revelations about Trump are imminent

But 55/43 looks likely, so I'd say anywhere between a 10-20 point margin in the popular vote should happen. Of course, its the electorate that matter, but anything over 10% nationwide probably does equal an electoral blowout as well

So I'd say the 2 to 3 points you're aiming for is basically where we're at if we hold the current margins. I think Trump's support will soften by 2-3 points more and that will either go to Biden or no shows, so basically the range I expect is an 11-18 point spread and a Senate majority. I know 60 seats is a pipe dream, but I'm hoping for a giant blowout and McConnell's retirement

[Oscirus]

yea pelosi's a clown who relies on that aca and great fundraising to hang her hat on and is only given props today for the most part cuz she gets under Trump's skin, while her supporters ignore the fact that she's been fairly ineffective since Obama's first term. If we're going to play gender politics, if a guy had her track record, they'd be forced to step down by now.

As for this RNC, if people don't see why Trump being able to spew what amounts to 4 days of unchecked lies is a problem, then you're in for a serious awakening. That lineup is just wallpaper there to distract you from the rnc's true purpose.

[Clyde_Style]

yea pelosi's a clown who relies on that aca and great fundraising to hang her hat on and is only given props today for the most part cuz she gets under Trump's skin, while her supporters ignore the fact that she's been fairly ineffective since Obama's first term. If we're going to play gender politics, if a guy had her track record, they'd be forced to step down by now.

As for this RNC, if people don't see why Trump being able to spew what amounts to 4 days of unchecked lies is a problem, then you're in for a serious awakening. That lineup is just wallpaper there to distract you from the rnc's true purpose.

So she's a clown because you don't like the Obama administration's solution for health care insurance? How does that make sense?

Of course she has to defend ACA when the GOP is trying to kill the coverage for tens of millions of jobless people. So telling us she's a clown for promoting ACA when she has absolutely no alternative until there is a Democratic president and a Senate majority does not compute. We do need a better healthcare plan, but not defending what is in place now would be criminal considering the GOP will not replace it with anything. They'll just let everyone with a pre-existing condition die at home.

There's a big difference between not liking ACA (I don't) and saying Pelosi is a clown (she's not) because she has to defend it until there is a better solution offered. If the Biden administration moved to revise ACA so it is more affordable and less rewarding to the insurance companies, do you think Pelosi would oppose it? Of course not, so stop with this false narrative

And, yes, Pelosi opposing Trump is NOT a small matter. It's been massively effective in preventing more carnage by the Trump crew since the mid-terms when she got the House majority back. And you claim she's ineffective. How's that? She has passed tons of bills that sit untouched by McConnell whose only strategy is to block legislation.

[Pointgod]

This is kind of what I am feeling. AOC is right.

DNC's convention felt a little more risky. Some groups will feel snubbed.

This is when I see AOC at her best. She’s able to make salient points about convention and target audience, while expressing criticism of the program. But she didn’t set her hair on fire or try to use it as a manipulative effort to attack her own party. I think Castro was invited to speak but declined. I agree with the point about not having a Muslim voice with everything Trump has done.

God willing the Democrats gain back all 3 houses of government, I can definitely see AOC being the person that’s able to connect with the working class voters in the mid west and southern states. It’s going to be hard to demonize her as a boogeyman when more people get exposure to her.

[Oscirus]

yea pelosi's a clown who relies on that aca and great fundraising to hang her hat on and is only given props today for the most part cuz she gets under Trump's skin, while her supporters ignore the fact that she's been fairly ineffective since Obama's first term. If we're going to play gender politics, if a guy had her track record, they'd be forced to step down by now.

As for this RNC, if people don't see why Trump being able to spew what amounts to 4 days of unchecked lies is a problem, then you're in for a serious awakening. That lineup is just wallpaper there to distract you from the rnc's true purpose.

So she's a clown because you don't like the Obama administration's solution for health care insurance? How does that make sense?

Of course she has to defend ACA when the GOP is trying to kill the coverage for tens of millions of jobless people. So telling us she's a clown for promoting ACA when she has absolutely no alternative until there is a Democratic president and a Senate majority does not compute. We do need a better healthcare plan, but not defending what is in place now would be criminal considering the GOP will not replace it with anything. They'll just let everyone with a pre-existing condition die at home.

There's a big difference between not liking ACA (I don't) and saying Pelosi is a clown (she's not) because she has to defend it until there is a better solution offered. If the Biden administration moved to revise ACA so it is more affordable and less rewarding to the insurance companies, do you think Pelosi would oppose it? Of course not, so stop with this false narrative

And, yes, Pelosi opposing Trump is NOT a small matter. It's been massively effective in preventing more carnage by the Trump crew since the mid-terms when she got the House majority back. And you claim she's ineffective. How's that? She has passed tons of bills that sit untouched by McConnell whose only strategy is to block legislation.

ACA is fine and I have no problem with that, but what has she done since then? She basically does nothing but talk out of both sides of her mouth, passes meaningless bills that she knows aren't going to pass and antagonizes trump. All of this is cute for the cameras, but then what?

[Clyde_Style]

This is kind of what I am feeling. AOC is right.

DNC's convention felt a little more risky. Some groups will feel snubbed.

This is when I see AOC at her best. She’s able to make salient points about convention and target audience, while expressing criticism of the program. But she didn’t set her hair on fire or try to use it as a manipulative effort to attack her own party. I think Castro was invited to speak but declined. I agree with the point about not having a Muslim voice with everything Trump has done.

God willing the Democrats gain back all 3 houses of government, I can definitely see AOC being the person that’s able to connect with the working class voters in the mid west and southern states. It’s going to be hard to demonize her as a boogeyman when more people get exposure to her.

That's exactly what we should expect from AOC. A discussion that includes concessions to REALITY. Her supporters should take a hint.

One thing to remember is the higher AOC climbs in the party the more obligations she will have to juggle and the less pure she will become.

To put that into perspective, imagine AOC rises to Speaker of the House. Do you think she could get to that level or manage such a massive body of representatives without making back door deals and compromises? Not a chance

[Clyde_Style]

yea pelosi's a clown who relies on that aca and great fundraising to hang her hat on and is only given props today for the most part cuz she gets under Trump's skin, while her supporters ignore the fact that she's been fairly ineffective since Obama's first term. If we're going to play gender politics, if a guy had her track record, they'd be forced to step down by now.

As for this RNC, if people don't see why Trump being able to spew what amounts to 4 days of unchecked lies is a problem, then you're in for a serious awakening. That lineup is just wallpaper there to distract you from the rnc's true purpose.

So she's a clown because you don't like the Obama administration's solution for health care insurance? How does that make sense?

Of course she has to defend ACA when the GOP is trying to kill the coverage for tens of millions of jobless people. So telling us she's a clown for promoting ACA when she has absolutely no alternative until there is a Democratic president and a Senate majority does not compute. We do need a better healthcare plan, but not defending what is in place now would be criminal considering the GOP will not replace it with anything. They'll just let everyone with a pre-existing condition die at home.

There's a big difference between not liking ACA (I don't) and saying Pelosi is a clown (she's not) because she has to defend it until there is a better solution offered. If the Biden administration moved to revise ACA so it is more affordable and less rewarding to the insurance companies, do you think Pelosi would oppose it? Of course not, so stop with this false narrative

And, yes, Pelosi opposing Trump is NOT a small matter. It's been massively effective in preventing more carnage by the Trump crew since the mid-terms when she got the House majority back. And you claim she's ineffective. How's that? She has passed tons of bills that sit untouched by McConnell whose only strategy is to block legislation.

ACA is fine and I have no problem with that, but what has she done since then? She basically does nothing but talk out of both sides of her mouth, passes meaningless bills that she knows aren't going to pass and antagonizes trump. All of this is cute for the cameras, but then what?

She hasn't held the Speaker position simultaneously with a Democrat controlled Senate since 2011 so please explain what those meaningless bills are. Pelosi has been working her ass off.

House Democrats have passed nearly 400 bills. Trump and Republicans are ignoring them.

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/29/20977735/how-many-bills-passed-house-democrats-trump

This clearly shows in stark numbers how Mitch has basically shut down the legislative process, because if you're roadblocked by the GOP you could be 100% Leftist Purity-Approved Your Holiness Jello Biafra and you aren't getting much done

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics

So please indulge us with some actual facts

[Oscirus]

So she's a clown because you don't like the Obama administration's solution for health care insurance? How does that make sense?

Of course she has to defend ACA when the GOP is trying to kill the coverage for tens of millions of jobless people. So telling us she's a clown for promoting ACA when she has absolutely no alternative until there is a Democratic president and a Senate majority does not compute. We do need a better healthcare plan, but not defending what is in place now would be criminal considering the GOP will not replace it with anything. They'll just let everyone with a pre-existing condition die at home.

There's a big difference between not liking ACA (I don't) and saying Pelosi is a clown (she's not) because she has to defend it until there is a better solution offered. If the Biden administration moved to revise ACA so it is more affordable and less rewarding to the insurance companies, do you think Pelosi would oppose it? Of course not, so stop with this false narrative

And, yes, Pelosi opposing Trump is NOT a small matter. It's been massively effective in preventing more carnage by the Trump crew since the mid-terms when she got the House majority back. And you claim she's ineffective. How's that? She has passed tons of bills that sit untouched by McConnell whose only strategy is to block legislation.

ACA is fine and I have no problem with that, but what has she done since then? She basically does nothing but talk out of both sides of her mouth, passes meaningless bills that she knows aren't going to pass and antagonizes trump. All of this is cute for the cameras, but then what?

She hasn't held the Speaker position simultaneously with a Democrat controlled Senate since 2011 so please explain what those meaningless bills are. Pelosi has been working her ass off.

House Democrats have passed nearly 400 bills. Trump and Republicans are ignoring them.

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/29/20977735/how-many-bills-passed-house-democrats-trump

This clearly shows in stark numbers how Mitch has basically shut down the legislative process, because if you're roadblocked by the GOP you could be 100% Leftist Purity-Approved Your Holiness Jello Biafra and you aren't getting much done

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics

So please indulge us with some actual facts

If they cant get the job done, then maybe it's time for her and Schumer to step the **** down so we can find leadership who can.

[Clyde_Style]

It is time for people to start supporting competency in governance as something of importance, not just their narrow definition of acceptable adherence to their over-generalized ideological tropes.

CALIFORNIA IS GOING UP IN FLAMES and there will be little ability to do anything this time around, because systemic resources are failing.

The failed response to covid is due to governmental incompetence. And the reverbations of one crisis starts to bleed over into the crises that follow. California is overwhelmed now.

Federal government should be in the business of protecting the public, but now it is every state for themselves. And no alt righter gets to claim state rights is a thing any longer when Trump has disdained the autonomy of states in favor of his dictatorial version of reality.

Two hurricanes are heading towards New Orleans and Texas 48 hours apart. With covid, this becomes potentially catastrophic even if they are just Cat 2 storms.

Social cohesion is far more fragile than most people realize. They think everything resets to normal after every disruption. But, no, it won't if you keep getting systemic breakdowns due to federal neglect.

What will happen is systems failures if enough disasters cascade into the perfect storm and it will happen if we don't get back some form of competence in government.

[Clyde_Style]

ACA is fine and I have no problem with that, but what has she done since then? She basically does nothing but talk out of both sides of her mouth, passes meaningless bills that she knows aren't going to pass and antagonizes trump. All of this is cute for the cameras, but then what?

She hasn't held the Speaker position simultaneously with a Democrat controlled Senate since 2011 so please explain what those meaningless bills are. Pelosi has been working her ass off.

House Democrats have passed nearly 400 bills. Trump and Republicans are ignoring them.

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/29/20977735/how-many-bills-passed-house-democrats-trump

This clearly shows in stark numbers how Mitch has basically shut down the legislative process, because if you're roadblocked by the GOP you could be 100% Leftist Purity-Approved Your Holiness Jello Biafra and you aren't getting much done

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics

So please indulge us with some actual facts

If they cant get the job done, then maybe it's time for her and Schumer to step the **** down so we can find leadership who can.

GET WHAT JOB DONE?!!!!!

Jesus, like talking to a 3 year old