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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1761 » by DOT » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:19 pm

newyork wrote:Out of the 2 Parties. GOP have routinely pushed raising the age & putting a cap on social security benefits. I'm not deep into politics, but this is an alarming issue to me that needs to be brought up more in general.

Diabetes runs in my family. Both my parents have it and my grandfather passed away from it. While I actively take the precautions to avoid having it myself. The $35 cap on insulin is a huge plus.

I'm also big into nutrition. GOP routinely push for less regulation towards food supply. This is also alarming to me.

I mean, that's because Republicans are ultra-capitalistic, and things like regulation and social safety nets are by nature anti-capitalistic

That's where you also get Nikki Haley, the "reasonable" Republican, running on raising the retirement age, Ben Shapiro saying there should be no such thing as retirement and people should work until they die, what's his name the Oldest Millennial (I think, I forget who exactly said this) on TikTok saying he thinks we should yeet babies off a cliff if they have disabilities because they can't "contribute" to society and are therefore worthless because conservatives think you need to have "value" to justify existing in society

This is where we talk about false dichotomies, because just because Republicans are this way doesn't mean Dems are pro worker, anti-capitalist, etc, they very clearly are not. I'm not saying people who are pro-worker, anti-corporation, pro-social safety nets should vote Dem, just that they really shouldn't vote Republican.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1762 » by Neutral 123 » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:21 pm

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St Knick wrote:Trump gets a bullet aimed at his head, thankfully evades being murdered, and yet somehow your pushing blame on him. Some logic :crazy:

I knew Trump was disliked and his political/ideological opponents wanted him out, but I thought it was basically just business.

But when I heard Sam Harris say the most unhinged things in relation to Trump, is when I knew this was something else. It's breathtaking to witness grown men, men who are supposedly intellectuals not be able to control themselves.

Everyone else is feeding off that energy. Left wing commentator Destiny went on a similar sort of rant after the assassination attempt. It's really just a veneer of civility.

Destiny is not a leftist he's said homophobic, transphobic, etc comments a ton. What :lol:

That might explain why at least a tiny bit of what he says is actually coherent, even if I disagree. I've heard him called a 'centrist' too. All of these terms thrown about when it's pretty clear he's a guy whose ideal country is one that is mostly centrally planned. A position antithetical to the founding.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1763 » by spree8 » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:22 pm

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Very interesting that Trump has a database of gun owners.

Totally normal, I'm sure.


I've never seen a "media" work so hard to lay blame of an assassination on the (near)victim of the assassination. Between this and the whole criminal charges, it appears to me that some very powerful people don't want Trump in office. What exactly are the afraid of..an America with a backbone? Unlike the last election, this one is going to pretty tough for them to fix..



Don’t want to get called stupid or crazy for believing anything besides the official narrative now…. Get accused of thinking you’re smarter than everyone else too if you ask questions or claim there was a conspiracy.

In actuality you’re simply just not as trustworthy of government and asking what happened when there is still an ongoing investigation and barely any information released.

I dunno what happened 100%, but shyts getting weirder by the day. The kid wearing glasses and not being a great shot in HS isn’t enough for me to write him off completely right now… this is a basketball forum, we know dudes can improve their shots in 2 years.. how do we know he didn’t higher Drew Hanlen as a coach on the DL? :D

If it wasn’t for Donald turning last second, he’d be dead. Still can’t get over how insanely close it was, it’s not even a testament to bad shooting, it’s more so the pure luck or divine intervention or some shyt. It’s really mind boggling how close this was.

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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1764 » by Worm Guts » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:23 pm

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Neutral 123 wrote:I knew Trump was disliked and his political/ideological opponents wanted him out, but I thought it was basically just business.

But when I heard Sam Harris say the most unhinged things in relation to Trump, is when I knew this was something else. It's breathtaking to witness grown men, men who are supposedly intellectuals not be able to control themselves.

Everyone else is feeding off that energy. Left wing commentator Destiny went on a similar sort of rant after the assassination attempt. It's really just a veneer of civility.


It's sort of obvious. Trump is a terrible human being (Selfish, mean-spirited, dishonest) is not only never held accountable, but rewarded for it. That by itself is infuriating. For me at least, it actually has very little to do with his politics. It's not even entirely on Trump because it's just as much on the way half the population responds to him. It's completely disheartening.

Trump only exists because half the population supports failed ideas that would have been unheard of even 20 years ago. While the failed economic ideas have come and gone in waves, the social decay is what has said to many people, someone must stand up to put an end to this.

I mean we are having a debate in part over whether everyone has a right to come into the country unvetted. Some want to argue that this is the reasonable position. It's one thing for people to be unsure of economic policy, but this?


I don't think I've seen anybody suggest that everyone a right to come in come into the country unvetted. You are just way more fired up about it. I don't think it's the most important issue, and certainly not worth electing someone like Trump over. I don't think there's any justification for electing someone like Trump. If you can't find a decent person to represent your position, then maybe you should question how decent your position is.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1765 » by Neutral 123 » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:26 pm

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Inflation IS government increasing the money supply. It's not even true that increasing your prices increases profits. This is all basic economics, but people know things because they repeat what they hear in the mainstream media.

Liberalism is not a threat to America, socialism is, and that is where America is headed.


LOL. If it was that easy, then government could just start and stop inflation.

The free market determines the economy far more than the president. Oil prices went up because of the Ukraine war and companies were waiting for the end of covid and people returning to work in larger numbers to kick up prices.

But I'll meet you halfway. The covid stimulus package, which was written in congress, but Biden put his name on it, did add to inflation, but it wasn't the sole cause.

This is pretty good summary.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/apr/20/jane-timken/bidens-american-rescue-plan-fueled-inflation-so-di/

Removing liquidity once you've added it involves taking from someone. That can certainly be done easily, but is very difficult politically.

This is done gradually through raising of interest rates that slows down the creation of new debt (money) and reduction in government spending. This takes time.

There are a lot of good sources on this topic and economics in general.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1766 » by dakomish23 » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:27 pm

I'm surprised this thread is only 89 pages :lol:
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1767 » by Neutral 123 » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:27 pm

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It's sort of obvious. Trump is a terrible human being (Selfish, mean-spirited, dishonest) is not only never held accountable, but rewarded for it. That by itself is infuriating. For me at least, it actually has very little to do with his politics. It's not even entirely on Trump because it's just as much on the way half the population responds to him. It's completely disheartening.

Trump only exists because half the population supports failed ideas that would have been unheard of even 20 years ago. While the failed economic ideas have come and gone in waves, the social decay is what has said to many people, someone must stand up to put an end to this.

I mean we are having a debate in part over whether everyone has a right to come into the country unvetted. Some want to argue that this is the reasonable position. It's one thing for people to be unsure of economic policy, but this?


I don't think I've seen anybody suggest that everyone a right to come in come into the country unvetted. You are just way more fired up about it. I don't think it's the most important issue, and certainly not worth electing someone like Trump over. I don't think there's any justification for electing someone like Trump. If you can't find a decent person to represent your position, then maybe you should question how decent your position is.

It's been said in this thread and implied when anyone who wants to slow down illegal immigration are called racists.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1768 » by Worm Guts » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:29 pm

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Neutral 123 wrote:Trump only exists because half the population supports failed ideas that would have been unheard of even 20 years ago. While the failed economic ideas have come and gone in waves, the social decay is what has said to many people, someone must stand up to put an end to this.

I mean we are having a debate in part over whether everyone has a right to come into the country unvetted. Some want to argue that this is the reasonable position. It's one thing for people to be unsure of economic policy, but this?


I don't think I've seen anybody suggest that everyone a right to come in come into the country unvetted. You are just way more fired up about it. I don't think it's the most important issue, and certainly not worth electing someone like Trump over. I don't think there's any justification for electing someone like Trump. If you can't find a decent person to represent your position, then maybe you should question how decent your position is.

It's been said in this thread and implied when anyone who wants to slow down illegal immigration are called racists.


I think if it's your most important issue, racism is fair question.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1769 » by DOT » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:38 pm

They always frame it as "oh it's just about 'illegal' immigration, I'm fine with legal immigration" but then you look at the policies they support, it would make legal immigration harder, therefore creating more illegal immigration, which they would then crack down on

Almost like it isn't the 'illegal' part they have a problem with, it's the 'immigration' part.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1770 » by Pointgod » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:59 pm

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Very interesting that Trump has a database of gun owners.

Totally normal, I'm sure.


I've never seen a "media" work so hard to lay blame of an assassination on the (near)victim of the assassination. Between this and the whole criminal charges, it appears to me that some very powerful people don't want Trump in office. What exactly are the afraid of..an America with a backbone? Unlike the last election, this one is going to pretty tough for them to fix..


This kind of comment is amusing. It doesn't take rocket scientist to figure out why people wouldn't want Trump in power. Some people like democracy.


I’ve never seen anyone get so many excuses made for them and zero accountability as Trump. It’s literal brainwashing. Instead of simply saying yeah Trump is a criminal and he’s corrupt, there’s some conspiracy to take him out because the people at the top who he made even more rich don’t want him to make them even more rich.

The Justice Department doesn’t hand down indictments to former Presidents just because….
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1771 » by Pointgod » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:03 pm

But guys the media is out to get Trump!

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Post#1772 » by robillionaire » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:03 pm

If we get it to 100 pages will the mods finally lock it
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1773 » by robillionaire » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:04 pm

DOT wrote:They always frame it as "oh it's just about 'illegal' immigration, I'm fine with legal immigration" but then you look at the policies they support, it would make legal immigration harder, therefore creating more illegal immigration, which they would then crack down on

Almost like it isn't the 'illegal' part they have a problem with, it's the 'immigration' part.


It’s brown people. The dictator says he wants immigrants from Norway instead of 3rd world shtholes. Likely because of Nazi great replacement theory
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1775 » by Pointgod » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:13 pm

Imagine if the Democratic Party for a second, actually talked about this instead of the circular firing squad regarding Biden’s age? Its amazing that actual politicians with platforms and media members can’t see that they’re the actual problem by talking about fantasy political matchups vs informing and educating voters…..

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Post#1776 » by St Knick » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:14 pm

Neutral 123 wrote:
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Neutral 123 wrote:Trump only exists because half the population supports failed ideas that would have been unheard of even 20 years ago. While the failed economic ideas have come and gone in waves, the social decay is what has said to many people, someone must stand up to put an end to this.

I mean we are having a debate in part over whether everyone has a right to come into the country unvetted. Some want to argue that this is the reasonable position. It's one thing for people to be unsure of economic policy, but this?


I don't think I've seen anybody suggest that everyone a right to come in come into the country unvetted. You are just way more fired up about it. I don't think it's the most important issue, and certainly not worth electing someone like Trump over. I don't think there's any justification for electing someone like Trump. If you can't find a decent person to represent your position, then maybe you should question how decent your position is.

It's been said in this thread and implied when anyone who wants to slow down illegal immigration are called racists.


Neutral123, you've been calm, collected and made respectful arguments this whole time... yet somehow you get labeled "racist/dog whistler/xxxxphobe/bad person" because you challenge ideas/policies of the left. It's there main play.

Don't agree with my stance? you're racist
Not becoming an "anti-racist" activist? you're racist

Just cry racist, play the victim, hunker down, reinforce your position, rinse repeat.
Like Justin Trudeau labeling the entire trucker protest as "racist/mysogonists/bad people". It's lazy. It's not constructive. I'd even go to say it's evil.

I believe the MSM and this administration pushing this stuff is evil, keeps pushing this BS narrative that racism is the #1 problem in USA (I don't think it's #1, my opinion) and keeps dividing us more.
And Trump is the perfect figurehead to pin these labels on.

These words and labels have lost there original meaning and weight.
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Post#1777 » by DOT » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:20 pm

Pointgod wrote:Imagine if the Democratic Party for a second, actually talked about this instead of the circular firing squad regarding Biden’s age? Its amazing that actual politicians with platforms and media members can’t see that they’re the actual problem by talking about fantasy political matchups vs informing and educating voters…..

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It wouldn't matter

The people who'd be affected but still vote Republican would go "good, get those moochers out of here! I'm one of the good ones, they won't take away my handouts, I earned them, not like them!"
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Post#1778 » by robillionaire » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:28 pm

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These words and labels have lost there original meaning and weight.


I find it interesting that every single person I have heard make this oft-repeated assertion trying to speak it into existence holds unapologetically racist positions that they would like to not be called out for being that anymore
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Post#1779 » by RHODEY » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:30 pm

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Very interesting that Trump has a database of gun owners.

Totally normal, I'm sure.


I've never seen a "media" work so hard to lay blame of an assassination on the (near)victim of the assassination. Between this and the whole criminal charges, it appears to me that some very powerful people don't want Trump in office. What exactly are the afraid of..an America with a backbone? Unlike the last election, this one is going to pretty tough for them to fix..


This kind of comment is amusing. It doesn't take rocket scientist to figure out why people wouldn't want Trump in power. Some people like democracy.

So does your definition of democracy include using the media as a tool to push a one sided narrative? It's funny how anyone who disagrees or questions this narrative receives some form of condescension or derision as a response. That doesn't sound very "democratic" to me.
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Re: OT: Trump shot at Rally. 

Post#1780 » by wompwomp » Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:31 pm

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Ummm...yeah...ok.


Corporations have seen record profits during this period due to jacked up prices. I too wish I could afford to be this detached from reality

Lol even the exact verbiage regurgitated verbatim from the media. Have you verified if that's true? What companies have had record profits? All of them? Are these record profits adjusted for the massive amounts of inflation? You've looked into that correct?


lets start with energy sector.

Big Oil doubles profits in blockbuster 2022
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/big-oil-doubles-profits-blockbuster-2022-2023-02-08/

Shell on Thursday reported a nearly $40 billion profit for last year. That's more than double the prior year's results and the most money Shell has ever made in its 115 years of existence. Chevron, the second-largest oil company in the U.S., posted record earnings of $36.5 billion last year, while refiner ConocoPhillips doubled its profits to $18.7 billion, the highest in the 10 years since it spun off its refining business.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/exxon-chevron-shell-conocophillips-record-profits-earnings-oil-companies-most-profitable-year/

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/XOM/exxon/gross-profit
2023 $85,657
2022 $114,193
2021 $64,202
2020 $30,942
2019 $53,786
2018 $64,695
2017 $53,352
2016 $44,475

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/CVX/chevron/gross-profit
2023 $77,533
2022 $96,804
2021 $66,253
2020 $39,705
2019 $62,267
2018 $66,894
2017 $53,626
2016 $43,483
2015 $56,696

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