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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1781 » by smw6230 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:21 pm

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This was always going to be the case. It's the reason why many here were opposed to "doing something for somethings sake", when the trend and calendar (2021 FAs) favored the Knicks.

Hell, in two years Zion's going to have leverage.

WAG, Towns makes the most sense.
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1782 » by moocow007 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:22 pm

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There's a name that doesn't get me excited at all


What it does say is that Rose wants someone that can finagle and work contracts under the cap so he can build quickly and possibly target multiple players at once. Not necessarily a bad thing if the goal is to basically build through acquisition of established talent.
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1783 » by GONYK » Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:48 pm

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"It's the best path for us," one front office member recently said.

This aligns with a directive that the Knicks were operating under prior to the 2020 trade deadline: Whatever happens, we need to maintain enough assets to be in position to trade for a star player. Even though he wasn't officially in charge at the time, it's fair to assume that Rose was on board with that thinking. And it's fair to assume that, based on that directive, Rose will be aggressive if the right young star becomes available via trade.

It's unclear if or when the next young star will privately -- or publicly -- seek a trade. But recent history suggests it's inevitable.

Just look at the past few seasons: Kyrie Irving, Jimmy Butler, Kristaps Porzingis and Anthony Davis have all asked to be traded.

Based on that trend, it's fair to assume that at least one young star will seek a trade within the next year or two.

The Knicks, you'll remember, had no interest in trading future assets for Butler. They engaged with Cleveland on Irving and with New Orleans on Davis, but New York wasn't comfortable giving up enough assets to land either player.

Under former team presidents Phil Jackson and Mills, the Knicks had been strongly opposed to dealing future first-round picks. This was a reasonable stance to take for an organization that had been burned so often by trading first-rounders in the past.

But before the 2020 deadline, that approach changed. The Knicks were comfortable including future first-round picks in deals for Russell and Charlotte's Terry Rozier.

The feeling among some in the organization is that they have so many picks (again, seven in the next four drafts) that they can afford to send one or two out in a trade if it nets a star.

In his letter to Knicks fans in early March, Rose offered a small window into how he may approach building the roster.

"Nothing about this is easy, or quick, so I ask for your continued patience. What I promise you in return is that I will be honest and forthright. We will develop a plan that makes sense, both to jumpstart our short-term growth and ensure our long-term success."

It seems like part of jumpstarting the Knicks' short-term growth includes being aggressive in trading for stars when the opportunity presents itself.


These are considered stars? :roll:
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1784 » by G_K_F » Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:11 pm

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"It's the best path for us," one front office member recently said.

This aligns with a directive that the Knicks were operating under prior to the 2020 trade deadline: Whatever happens, we need to maintain enough assets to be in position to trade for a star player. Even though he wasn't officially in charge at the time, it's fair to assume that Rose was on board with that thinking. And it's fair to assume that, based on that directive, Rose will be aggressive if the right young star becomes available via trade.

It's unclear if or when the next young star will privately -- or publicly -- seek a trade. But recent history suggests it's inevitable.

Just look at the past few seasons: Kyrie Irving, Jimmy Butler, Kristaps Porzingis and Anthony Davis have all asked to be traded.

Based on that trend, it's fair to assume that at least one young star will seek a trade within the next year or two.

The Knicks, you'll remember, had no interest in trading future assets for Butler. They engaged with Cleveland on Irving and with New Orleans on Davis, but New York wasn't comfortable giving up enough assets to land either player.

Under former team presidents Phil Jackson and Mills, the Knicks had been strongly opposed to dealing future first-round picks. This was a reasonable stance to take for an organization that had been burned so often by trading first-rounders in the past.

But before the 2020 deadline, that approach changed. The Knicks were comfortable including future first-round picks in deals for Russell and Charlotte's Terry Rozier.

The feeling among some in the organization is that they have so many picks (again, seven in the next four drafts) that they can afford to send one or two out in a trade if it nets a star.

In his letter to Knicks fans in early March, Rose offered a small window into how he may approach building the roster.

"Nothing about this is easy, or quick, so I ask for your continued patience. What I promise you in return is that I will be honest and forthright. We will develop a plan that makes sense, both to jumpstart our short-term growth and ensure our long-term success."

It seems like part of jumpstarting the Knicks' short-term growth includes being aggressive in trading for stars when the opportunity presents itself.


These are considered stars? :roll:


The Knicks will sell it as such when they inevitably acquire one or two of them.
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1785 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:28 pm

It sounds like its just filler. We are in the midst of a regimen change and may not even have our GM yet. Unless it was from Rose or someone close to him then its pretty useless.

Rozier had to be Mills and/or Perry cause they were after him in the offseason. Sounded like we backed off Russell, and were only looking to sell at the deadline.
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1786 » by GONYK » Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:30 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:It sounds like its just filler. We are in the midst of a regimen change and may not even have our GM yet. Unless it was from Rose or someone close to him then its pretty useless.


The article carries a lot more weight if we do already have our GM though, which is a real possibility.
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1787 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:47 pm

GONYK wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:It sounds like its just filler. We are in the midst of a regimen change and may not even have our GM yet. Unless it was from Rose or someone close to him then its pretty useless.


The article carries a lot more weight if we do already have our GM though


We are probably doomed either way if that is the case.

But i am buying the rumors that we are searching for a GM. It sounds like this is mostly old info being recycled. I am sure Rose will be looking for stars and the Dallas picks are nice trade pieces. But then they make it sound like we are gonna go all in for Rozier/Russell, which I hope is not true anymore. Think that was just Mills last shot and trying to save himself
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1788 » by Stannis » Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:50 pm

It'd be poetic for the Knicks to trade picks for Rozier. MJ continuing to do his work, lmao
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1789 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:13 pm

Sounds like Brock will be Rose's new right hand man.

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Brock Aller, a former Cleveland Cavaliers executive, will be a high-ranking basketball official and the chief strategist for Knicks president Leon Rose, sources have told SNY. Details of Aller's title with the team are still being worked through.

The New York Daily News first reported the Knicks' interest in Aller, while SiriusXM NBA Radio first reported a deal between the two was close. A deal is expected to be completed within the next week or so.

Aller will help Rose navigate many different aspects of the job. Several league sources said Aller, Rose's first front office hire, will be one of the new Knick president's right-hand men.


He's expected to help Rose navigate the waters and strategize on how to build out the front office, coaching staff, and which player personnel moves to pursue. His responsibilities will not be limited to salary cap strategy, which is his forte.

Aller is highly respected in league circles. He was considered Dan Gilbert's close confidant and was instrumental in Cleveland's run to the 2016 NBA title. Known as a "capologist," Aller's savvy in that field led to key moves like Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith being traded from the Knicks to the Cavs in 2015.

Aller's hire doesn't necessarily mean that Rose will fire someone who is currently in the front office. However, it's unclear if there are other imminent front office hires coming.

Scott Perry is currently serving as GM and executive Allan Houston is a candidate to remain with the organization under Rose in some capacity.
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1790 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:18 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Sounds like Brock will be Rose's new right hand man.

Read on Twitter


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Brock Aller, a former Cleveland Cavaliers executive, will be a high-ranking basketball official and the chief strategist for Knicks president Leon Rose, sources have told SNY. Details of Aller's title with the team are still being worked through.

The New York Daily News first reported the Knicks' interest in Aller, while SiriusXM NBA Radio first reported a deal between the two was close. A deal is expected to be completed within the next week or so.

Aller will help Rose navigate many different aspects of the job. Several league sources said Aller, Rose's first front office hire, will be one of the new Knick president's right-hand men.


He's expected to help Rose navigate the waters and strategize on how to build out the front office, coaching staff, and which player personnel moves to pursue. His responsibilities will not be limited to salary cap strategy, which is his forte.

Aller is highly respected in league circles. He was considered Dan Gilbert's close confidant and was instrumental in Cleveland's run to the 2016 NBA title. Known as a "capologist," Aller's savvy in that field led to key moves like Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith being traded from the Knicks to the Cavs in 2015.

Aller's hire doesn't necessarily mean that Rose will fire someone who is currently in the front office. However, it's unclear if there are other imminent front office hires coming.

Scott Perry is currently serving as GM and executive Allan Houston is a candidate to remain with the organization under Rose in some capacity.

He advocated for the Cavs to trade for JR Spliff and Iman Chumpert?
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1791 » by Deeeez Knicks » Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:24 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Sounds like Brock will be Rose's new right hand man.

Read on Twitter


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Brock Aller, a former Cleveland Cavaliers executive, will be a high-ranking basketball official and the chief strategist for Knicks president Leon Rose, sources have told SNY. Details of Aller's title with the team are still being worked through.

The New York Daily News first reported the Knicks' interest in Aller, while SiriusXM NBA Radio first reported a deal between the two was close. A deal is expected to be completed within the next week or so.

Aller will help Rose navigate many different aspects of the job. Several league sources said Aller, Rose's first front office hire, will be one of the new Knick president's right-hand men.


He's expected to help Rose navigate the waters and strategize on how to build out the front office, coaching staff, and which player personnel moves to pursue. His responsibilities will not be limited to salary cap strategy, which is his forte.

Aller is highly respected in league circles. He was considered Dan Gilbert's close confidant and was instrumental in Cleveland's run to the 2016 NBA title. Known as a "capologist," Aller's savvy in that field led to key moves like Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith being traded from the Knicks to the Cavs in 2015.
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Aller's hire doesn't necessarily mean that Rose will fire someone who is currently in the front office. However, it's unclear if there are other imminent front office hires coming.

Scott Perry is currently serving as GM and executive Allan Houston is a candidate to remain with the organization under Rose in some capacity.

He advocated for the Cavs to trade for JR Spliff and Iman Chumpert?
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I mean, they did win it all?

But then they did give Shumpert a horrible contract. I really don't know much about him though
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1792 » by Capn'O » Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:35 pm

god shammgod wrote:
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"It's the best path for us," one front office member recently said.

This aligns with a directive that the Knicks were operating under prior to the 2020 trade deadline: Whatever happens, we need to maintain enough assets to be in position to trade for a star player. Even though he wasn't officially in charge at the time, it's fair to assume that Rose was on board with that thinking. And it's fair to assume that, based on that directive, Rose will be aggressive if the right young star becomes available via trade.

It's unclear if or when the next young star will privately -- or publicly -- seek a trade. But recent history suggests it's inevitable.

Just look at the past few seasons: Kyrie Irving, Jimmy Butler, Kristaps Porzingis and Anthony Davis have all asked to be traded.

Based on that trend, it's fair to assume that at least one young star will seek a trade within the next year or two.

The Knicks, you'll remember, had no interest in trading future assets for Butler. They engaged with Cleveland on Irving and with New Orleans on Davis, but New York wasn't comfortable giving up enough assets to land either player.

Under former team presidents Phil Jackson and Mills, the Knicks had been strongly opposed to dealing future first-round picks. This was a reasonable stance to take for an organization that had been burned so often by trading first-rounders in the past.

But before the 2020 deadline, that approach changed. The Knicks were comfortable including future first-round picks in deals for Russell and Charlotte's Terry Rozier.

The feeling among some in the organization is that they have so many picks (again, seven in the next four drafts) that they can afford to send one or two out in a trade if it nets a star.

In his letter to Knicks fans in early March, Rose offered a small window into how he may approach building the roster.

"Nothing about this is easy, or quick, so I ask for your continued patience. What I promise you in return is that I will be honest and forthright. We will develop a plan that makes sense, both to jumpstart our short-term growth and ensure our long-term success."

It seems like part of jumpstarting the Knicks' short-term growth includes being aggressive in trading for stars when the opportunity presents itself.


After the draft we'll be in position to do such a trade without total gutting. Though I'd rather wait until next year because I think certain pieces will gain in value.

Gut tells me KAT is likely. I'll miss Mitch.
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Post#1793 » by Capn'O » Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:36 pm

Terry Rozier though. That... is not it.
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1794 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:44 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Sounds like Brock will be Rose's new right hand man.

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He advocated for the Cavs to trade for JR Spliff and Iman Chumpert?
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I mean, they did win it all?

But then they did give Shumpert a horrible contract. I really don't know much about him though

I dont recall them providing any significant impact in the finals. And then they overpaid Shumpert for doing nothing. Im not feeling this move. But I guess we'll see what happens.
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1795 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:49 pm

moocow007 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
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There's a name that doesn't get me excited at all


What it does say is that Rose wants someone that can finagle and work contracts under the cap so he can build quickly and possibly target multiple players at once. Not necessarily a bad thing if the goal is to basically build through acquisition of established talent.


Good point. I'm not against a hybrid approach of trades/FA signings/drafting. It's probably what most teams do.

In fact, other than the most ideological tank commanders, even pro tank people know it's something (when it worked, to the extent it did), that's brief - you take some shots, accumulate the HOPEFULLY better talent from near the top of the draft, and importantly, get some extra picks and hold ALL your own picks. Until. Because there is no value in doing it forever. Until. Until a team feels ready and positioned, with a base of a few players, assets - which means expiring contracts or decent players or picks or all of the above - and then it has to do the harder next step, which is parlay that stuff into a better roster that fits.

I mean, if the Knicks suck for yet ANOTHER year after this draft, and this draft was good, I won't lose sleep over it, if they are holding next year's pick. I also wouldn't mind them drafting X player this year and then pivoting immediately towards FA signings/trades and even dealing SOME of their pick stash - for the right players\plan. Which is always the point, no matter how the team gets there.
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1796 » by HEZI » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:00 pm

New York obviously didn't land Russell or any other young star prior to the trade deadline (Russell was dealt to Minnesota; for what it's worth, one package for Russell under Mills that had support included Bobby Portis, Allonzo Trier and Frank Ntilikina).


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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1797 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:09 pm

I didn’t think we’d end up drafting guys with all 7 picks but none of the potentially disgruntled stars that could be on the block are really any good. Does Booker or Zach LaVine really excite anyone? Kat doesn’t even really seem like that dude either.
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

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jvsimonetti0514 wrote:I didn’t think we’d end up drafting guys with all 7 picks but none of the potentially disgruntled stars that could be on the block are really any good. Does Booker or Zach LaVine really excite anyone? Kat doesn’t even really seem like that dude either.


book is a monster. his FG% is way better than it should be. really good rebounder and passer. offensively everything you want in an SG.

if i were gonna take a one-sided player... it'd be this guy.
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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1799 » by thebuzzardman » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:41 pm

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book is a monster. his FG% is way better than it should be. really good rebounder and passer. offensively everything you want in an SG.

if i were gonna take a one-sided player... it'd be this guy.


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Re: Leon Rose named New York Knicks President of Basketball Operations [OFFICIAL pg 74] 

Post#1800 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:42 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:I didn’t think we’d end up drafting guys with all 7 picks but none of the potentially disgruntled stars that could be on the block are really any good. Does Booker or Zach LaVine really excite anyone? Kat doesn’t even really seem like that dude either.

I think Booker will stay in Phoenix. They seem to be on the right track. I can see Lavine wanting out of the Bulls though. Will be interesting to see how the new Bulls FO buils around Lavine.

I don't consider this guy as a star but I can see the Knicks potentially trading for Myles Turner. I had high hopes for Turner to be one of the best 2 way bigs in the league but he's been underwhelming. Maybe the Knicks trade for him cause of his potential.
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