official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

[dakomish23]

More than likely. Any new GM will typically want to show wins as soon as possible.

Walsh didn't

Walsh missed out on LeBron and panicked and gave Amare 2 more years than any other team was willing to do...can we stop acting like Walsh was a good GM?

He also got ransacked in the HOU trade for Jared Jeffries...

He also draft Jordan Hill with a top 10 pick (atrocious pick)

He also sign and traded David Lee for crap.

I don't blame him for the Melo trade because all indications were that Dolan took over. But again that is still a knock on Donnie for not having enough stones to tell of Dolan. It's still his job to do so.

So you said all that and didn't say anything to disprove that Walsh wasn't under pressure to win immediately when he took the job (which was what I responded to) or disprove that he kept Dolan away for multiple seasons (which is the other thing people say only PJax can do).

I'm not saying Dolan is some great owner who trusts his people. I'm saying the idea that we would trade all our picks the moment PJax is gone doesn't add up based on the past.

[god shammgod]

melo will be in uniform next year, playing normal minutes, and we will all be here doing this too

which doesn't make any sense for anyone involved, especially us, but yes. probably.

[HarthorneWingo]

melo will be in uniform next year, playing normal minutes, and we will all be here doing this too

which doesn't make any sense for anyone involved, especially us, but yes. probably.

There's no way Melo is playing normal minutes if he's still here. Phil won't let Melo interfere with the team moving in a different direction. Melo can come off the bench as "instant offense" option when needed. If he's bricking or holding up the flow of the offense, he can sit back down on the bench.

[N Y K]

melo will be in uniform next year, playing normal minutes, and we will all be here doing this too

which doesn't make any sense for anyone involved, especially us, but yes. probably.

none of the available options make sense... it's going to suck, but this is what everyone will have to suffer through. nothing new really...

[Capn'O]

How soon they forget.

I'll never forget this either:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/new-york-knicks-gm-donnie-walsh-miffed-staff-passing-brandon-jennings-draft-article-1.433065

In a recent interview with SI.com, Walsh hinted that ownership wouldn't allow him to revamp the front office.

"I could have hired some amazing people," Walsh told SI.com. "But there are some things you can't ask the owner to do, and that's eat some of these (front-office and scouting department) numbers."

The original SI article is off the net but the quote remains in the NYDN article. Walsh always had oversight from Dolan and his cronies and a lot of these same guys are here, doing the legwork of the GM position. Dolan wants to keep his people and his ways. The next guy coming in after Phil will have to deal with the same **** and it will show in the approach and, in turn, the product.

Walsh was allowed to briefly recoup picks and rebuild because he sold Dolan on holding out for LeBron. We then were forced to cash in ALL of the fruits of that process for Melo when it didn't work out. I don't want to see that **** happen again. Give me Hinkie or Mike Zarren or someone of that ilk... or keep Phil.

He was able to keep Dolan away for a period of time.

Someone else could do it too.

Folks are acting Iike the moment PJax leaves Dolan is going to force the next guy to trade 5 1st round picks.

The idea that it's ok for PJax to be bad at his job because it may lead to something worse if he's not here is not ok.

No. The idea is to be specific about our frustrations. "Fire PJax" comes off as a results based command and that approach will again and again and again lead to disaster.

"Trust the Process" would be a much more targeted demand.


Here's something to chew on. Phil Jackson brought in exactly one of his own personnel to the front office. Clarence Gaines. The most universally appreciated figure of the Knicks front office. Remove Phil without installing a viable, reputable front office puts the exact people that have been working on the deals we love to complain about so much in direct control again.

[Dr. Detfink]

The only person who should be upset about Melo staying is Hornacek and Rambis, the twin dimwits. Melo has constantly shook them off and played his way.

Otherwise, I feel vindicated because I have always felt Melo who IS a great player but plays for personal numbers. There was ZERO reason for this guy to re-sign with the Knicks. We all thought Phil Jackson had some ingenious plan but we all read into something that wasn't there to begin with.

So while Mali does his thing, I am going to enjoy the fact:

1. Latvian PF who is on the verge of breakout season.
2. Spanish Center who is on the verge of breakout season.
3. 18 year old French rookie guard.

And the rest is frosting. This IS everything people think of a team in New York: Young and diverse.

Embrace it!

[MaluKing2K]

http://nypost.com/2017/06/27/knicks-balk-at-carmelo-anthony-power-play-to-force-way-to-cavs/

So Melo had no problem with blowing up the Knicks team in 2011 with multiple picks/assets traded so he could make additional money instead of signing with the Knicks in free agency during the summer. However, now he wants to screw over the Knicks again by wanting a release while being fully compensated and the Knicks receiving nothing in return. I rather continue paying him the rest of his contract while having him banned from all Knicks games than see him play on another team for free while the Knicks don't get any salary cap relief or assets. What a bum.

[SelbyCobra]

http://nypost.com/2017/06/27/knicks-balk-at-carmelo-anthony-power-play-to-force-way-to-cavs/

So Melo had no problem with blowing up the Knicks team in 2011 with multiple picks/assets traded so he could make additional money instead of signing with the Knicks in free agency during the summer. However, now he wants to screw over the Knicks again by wanting a release while being fully compensated and the Knicks receiving nothing in return. I rather continue paying him the rest of his contract while having him banned from all Knicks games than see him play on another team for free while the Knicks don't get any salary cap relief or assets. What a bum.

According to a source, Jackson’s stance is he will not give up Anthony without gaining an asset or two and remains determined to find a trade partner. After all, Anthony, 33, is just a few months older than James.

The Knicks have not entirely ruled out the stretch provision with Anthony, which would give them an extra $15.4 million in cap space in spreading his $54.1 million contract over five years.

But the Knicks, according to a source, would consider that maneuver only as “an asset’’ if it means the extra cap savings definitively would net them a star player.

“That’s unlikely,’’ the source said.

Otherwise, the cap space is an abstract asset in their eyes, not to mention Anthony would be on the books for five years in the stretch scenario.

[Crunchknicks1]

Get another team to trade you there star for cap releaf then. Like get with Houston Spurs Etc. Get a star player back from them. Use the cap for that.

[GEOLINK]

http://nypost.com/2017/06/27/knicks-balk-at-carmelo-anthony-power-play-to-force-way-to-cavs/

So Melo had no problem with blowing up the Knicks team in 2011 with multiple picks/assets traded so he could make additional money instead of signing with the Knicks in free agency during the summer. However, now he wants to screw over the Knicks again by wanting a release while being fully compensated and the Knicks receiving nothing in return. I rather continue paying him the rest of his contract while having him banned from all Knicks games than see him play on another team for free while the Knicks don't get any salary cap relief or assets. What a bum.

According to a source, Jackson’s stance is he will not give up Anthony without gaining an asset or two and remains determined to find a trade partner. After all, Anthony, 33, is just a few months older than James.

The Knicks have not entirely ruled out the stretch provision with Anthony, which would give them an extra $15.4 million in cap space in spreading his $54.1 million contract over five years.

But the Knicks, according to a source, would consider that maneuver only as “an asset’’ if it means the extra cap savings definitively would net them a star player.

“That’s unlikely,’’ the source said.

Otherwise, the cap space is an abstract asset in their eyes, not to mention Anthony would be on the books for five years in the stretch scenario.

Good. Don't give him up to another team essentially for free.

[Crunchknicks1]

Stretch melo get cap and call teams looking to get cap space. My idea would be Ryan Anderson Patrick Beasley and Decker. With our 30 in cap space. Win win for everyone. Houston can then sign Paul. We get a back power our point until Frank ready and a young small forward to replace Melo. Not bad

[bigtimeRC3]

melo doesn't want it. for the good of the franchise we need him to waive his no trade clause or stay with us this year and opt out.

Watch on YouTube

[Sark]

Drewkins,

Who said I want to keep him? I have been on the trade Melo bandwagon all year. Ask about me. I'm talking moves made up until now. Were you here when everything went down or nah?

So which personality was it that said "Melo ain't never leaving"?

Stop insulting me.

Don't make me pull your card Greenie.

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[BklyntoTNeck]

Melo will be riding that pine or on reduced mins next year, unless he waives that NTC. Phil needs to stick to his guns, he'll crack. Phil needs to have a REAL face to face with Melo and tell him its the pine or give us some realistic teams we can trade you to that will benefit the TEAM. No other option benefits the New York Knicks. I wonder if some of you are Knicks fans or individual player fans.

[dakomish23]

melo doesn't want it. for the good of the franchise we need him to waive his no trade clause or stay with us this year and opt out.

Watch on YouTube

Some of you are so desperate that you take a momentary criticism that turns into blaming the whole team as some big indictment as everything being his fault.

How about I show you the highlights of the slew of games he had after that game? Won't fit your agenda though

[TheAttckRack]

This whole Melo-drama is pretty out there, man. I consider myself a Pro-Phil guy, but all this is pretty lame, I gotta' say. He didn't deserve it. But he still needs to be moved, come Hell or Highwater! And then dude's home is breaking up, or whatever's going on there! Stress much these days, Melo?!? Geez. I feel for dude overall. Brother needs a fresh start.

[sushibear]

Walsh didn't

Walsh missed out on LeBron and panicked and gave Amare 2 more years than any other team was willing to do...can we stop acting like Walsh was a good GM?

He also got ransacked in the HOU trade for Jared Jeffries...

He also draft Jordan Hill with a top 10 pick (atrocious pick)

He also sign and traded David Lee for crap.

I don't blame him for the Melo trade because all indications were that Dolan took over. But again that is still a knock on Donnie for not having enough stones to tell of Dolan. It's still his job to do so.

So you said all that and didn't say anything to disprove that Walsh wasn't under pressure to win immediately when he took the job (which was what I responded to) or disprove that he kept Dolan away for multiple seasons (which is the other thing people say only PJax can do).

I'm not saying Dolan is some great owner who trusts his people. I'm saying the idea that we would trade all our picks the moment PJax is gone doesn't add up based on the past.

Mpharris I would give you an and1 but I'm to lazy to go back a few threads. Great post.

[Rotten Apple]

Dolan to the rescue. Thank God.

[Sark]

NBPA would not allow Melo to forgo his option year.

That's not something they have any power over. In fact, players sometimes take paycuts to help their team sign players, and the NBAPA has absolutely zero power to stop them. Dirk, Kirelenko, David West, etc, etc. Why didn't the NBAPA stop them, but for some reason you think they will force Melo to pick up his option?

[dakomish23]

Walsh missed out on LeBron and panicked and gave Amare 2 more years than any other team was willing to do...can we stop acting like Walsh was a good GM?

He also got ransacked in the HOU trade for Jared Jeffries...

He also draft Jordan Hill with a top 10 pick (atrocious pick)

He also sign and traded David Lee for crap.

I don't blame him for the Melo trade because all indications were that Dolan took over. But again that is still a knock on Donnie for not having enough stones to tell of Dolan. It's still his job to do so.

So you said all that and didn't say anything to disprove that Walsh wasn't under pressure to win immediately when he took the job (which was what I responded to) or disprove that he kept Dolan away for multiple seasons (which is the other thing people say only PJax can do).

I'm not saying Dolan is some great owner who trusts his people. I'm saying the idea that we would trade all our picks the moment PJax is gone doesn't add up based on the past.

Mpharris I would give you an and1 but I'm to lazy to go back a few threads. Great post.

You're also too lazy to actually read what's being discussed and see his post has nothing to do with what was said. Wouldn't be the first time.